I learned something new! Time to go make a bunch of ant related posts on twitter with the #Gamergate tag.
"A gamergate is a worker ant which is able to reproduce with mature males without a queen present in its colony."
It's a funny coincidence.
I learned something new! Time to go make a bunch of ant related posts on twitter with the #Gamergate tag.
I still have no idea what the endgame of "gamergate" is. It feel like people want journalists to all be put into solitary confinement and be given games like meals through a slot in the door.
"A gamergate is a worker ant which is able to reproduce with mature males without a queen present in its colony."
It's a funny coincidence.
I see where you are coming from but the general form is that just about everyone is asking media to say SOMETHING, and when they do, all they get is a shitstorm in their face. No wonder they keep the door closed.
Can't really put out a news article about every moronic thing on the Internet. There's just not enough time in the day.
Hey, that's actually kinda what GamerGate is trying to accomplish! IT ALL FITS!
Meanwhile, IGN's frontpage is completely silent on what is or has been transpiring.
Same with Giant Bomb. and Gamespot too!
Good job on ignoring the issue and staying silent, mainstream games media!
One of the biggest problems with this campaign is that there is no endgame and there are no clear goals. Some people are claiming victory because they drove Jenn Frank -- one of the most talented writers in gaming -- to quit. If their goal is to get rid of as much thoughtful writing as possible, then this is truly terrifying.
Meanwhile, IGN's frontpage is completely silent on what is or has been transpiring.
Same with Giant Bomb. and Gamespot too!
Good job on ignoring the issue and staying silent, mainstream games media!
The (more or less explicit) goal is to bully feminist voices into leaving the video games scene. The goal is to shut them up. And the bad news is that they are successful.
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These clowns aren't just people who disagree, they've engaged in a campaign of hate, they've lost all perspective on appropriate social interaction, and they've targeted the livelihoods of good people..
I see where you are coming from but the general form is that just about everyone is asking media to say SOMETHING, and when they do, all they get is a shitstorm in their face. No wonder they keep the door closed.
Honestly, what is a site like Giant Bomb supposed to put out? They are far from neutral in this to report on it in any way.Meanwhile, IGN's frontpage is completely silent on what is or has been transpiring.
Same with Giant Bomb. and Gamespot too!
Good job on ignoring the issue and staying silent, mainstream games media!
No it isn't. The goal is for, and I quote from one of the most reposted images about the situation on /v/: "Contrary to what you might believe, #GAMERGATE is not about Zoe Quinn: it is a stand against corrupt journalism in the gaming press, from honest gamers that want game journalists to have good ethical standards
If this was actually about ethical standards, I don't think the targets would be writers like Jenn Frank and Patricia Hernandez.No it isn't. The goal is for, and I quote from one of the most reposted images about the situation on /v/: "Contrary to what you might believe, #GAMERGATE is not about Zoe Quinn: it is a stand against corrupt journalism in the gaming press, from honest gamers that want game journalists to have good ethical standards"
Because it was never about uncovering corruption to begin with.Also, I've not seen much corruption in games journalism being uncovered by this.
May have started like that, but it's been hijacked by MRA assholes. Also, I've not seen much corruption in games journalism being uncovered by this.
Maybe on the Twitter hashtag, although I'm not really checking it. But the threads on /v/, the main source of everything, are right now mostly focused on emailing the advertisers of gaming websitesm recommending them to pull their sponsership alongside trying to expose further corruption. And outside of a few shitters, this is 4chan after all, nothing about Anita, Feminists, or anything like that.May have started like that, but it's been hijacked by MRA assholes. Also, I've not seen much corruption in games journalism being uncovered by this.
Maybe on the Twitter hashtag, although I'm not really checking it. But the threads on /v/, the main source of everything, are right now mostly focused on emailing the advertisers of gaming websites recommending them to pull their sponsership alongside trying to expose further corruption. And outside of a few shitters, this is 4chan after all, nothing about Anita, Feminists, or anything like that.
If this was actually about ethical standards, I don't think the targets would be writers like Jenn Frank and Patricia Hernandez.
No it isn't. The goal is for, and I quote from one of the most reposted images about the situation on /v/: "Contrary to what you might believe, #GAMERGATE is not about Zoe Quinn: it is a stand against corrupt journalism in the gaming press, from honest gamers that want game journalists to have good ethical standards"
No it isn't. The goal is for, and I quote from one of the most reposted images about the situation on /v/: "Contrary to what you might believe, #GAMERGATE is not about Zoe Quinn: it is a stand against corrupt journalism in the gaming press, from honest gamers that want game journalists to have good ethical standards"
I'll never begrudge someone for quitting over harassment. I completely understand feeling like there's no light at the end of the tunnel.
Anyone who is sensitive to this, who feels any kind of empathy, there's an expiration date on this stuff. You can only take it for so long.
The people harassing don't have that. There's no mental drain to it. They can go on forever, a perpetual motion machine of hateful bullshit.
So congratulations, if your end-goal was to "root out corruption" by destroying people psychologically, great work. Top notch fucking effort
If you are of the mind that any of this is in any way okay or permissable, please never come to Giant Bomb ever fucking again. EVER.
No it isn't. The goal is for, and I quote from one of the most reposted images about the situation on /v/: "Contrary to what you might believe, #GAMERGATE is not about Zoe Quinn: it is a stand against corrupt journalism in the gaming press, from honest gamers that want game journalists to have good ethical standards"
I see your point, but then the harassers and extremists have won by silencing any potential opposition. Also, they could close the comments on their "reports".
Unfortunately this moronic thing has resulted in several women quitting video games. It would be good for these sites to speak up and take stand against who that they don't tolerate the bullshit going down.
If you find yourself on the same side as MRA's in an argument you have fucked up massively.
"Not about Zoe Quinn"
*links to image about Zoe Quinn*
Hmmmm.
I've tried to ask on other places what the corruption is and the only straight answer I ever got was: "Yes, there isn't hard proof of widespread corruption."
It's still so amusing to me that no matter how many times it's pointed out to these ethical warriors that no actual displays of "corruption" have been shown they don't respond.
They dont even really know what they are fighting about.
Maybe on the Twitter hashtag, although I'm not really checking it. But the threads on /v/, the main source of everything, are right now mostly focused on emailing the advertisers of gaming websitesm recommending them to pull their sponsership alongside trying to expose further corruption. And outside of a few shitters, this is 4chan after all, nothing about Anita, Feminists, or anything like that.
EDIT: The Yogscast should be the number 1 target if this was about ethics.
No it isn't. The goal is for, and I quote from one of the most reposted images about the situation on /v/: "Contrary to what you might believe, #GAMERGATE is not about Zoe Quinn: it is a stand against corrupt journalism in the gaming press, from honest gamers that want game journalists to have good ethical standards
Even if everything you say is accurate, as with any 'movement' or 'cause', if it gets hijacked by absolute nutters, then it really is on the true believers to promote the real message - through actions, not just hounding victims with "but we're not all...".
/v/ (and 4chan at large) is always so quick to organise different campaigns. Why haven't they tried to prove it isn't about misogyny/MRA by supporting one of the victims? Why not prove that just because they don't like someone or their 'ethics', they don't agree with the harassment?
Yogscast had two massive controversies in succession, yet navigated through it relatively unscathed. I'm sure what's between their legs had nothing to do with that.
If you find yourself on the same side as MRA's in an argument you have fucked up massively.
I would strongly recommend that anyone who feels this way detach from the #GamerGate tag -- which is mired in harassment and hatred -- and find some other way to express that feeling of disenfranchisement, which is something I can totally sympathize with. I've long been against the "us vs. them" mentality in the games press, but this campaign has been co-opted by the likes of Adam Baldwin and that Breitbart guy, and it's become far more about radicalism and hatred than gamer pride.Look, I've posted in the #gamergate hashtag. I was as hurt as anyone by Leigh's article, and yeah, I think game journalism has been pretty creepy in some ways. The political opinions are weirdly homogenous, and man, all those articles going up at the same time about gamers being dead was really disheartening.
That said, can we kinda give the whole "corruption in journalism" a rest? The very worst thing I've seen in the "corruption" angle is that IGF thing, which yeah, if it really is as insular as claimed (which may very well not be the case), is an actual problem. The vast majority of the other "corrupt journalists" are either proven false, or are just so goddamn minor that really, why do we give that much of a shit?
Let's just be honest with ourselves. This is because our feelings are hurt and we feel excluded. The whole "ethics" angle is just a way to shield ourselves behind something objective rather than just admitting that, hey, the language you guys have been using in your articles has been making us feel shitty, and you're all speaking with one voice and it makes some of us feel excluded, which hurts because we've enjoyed being a part of this community. I would hope writers would care about the fact that they're making a lot of their readers feel attacked, but they aren't obligated to. Let's stop trying to pretend there's some great criminal scandal going on here. We're using it as a screen.
I would hope writers would care about the fact that they're making a lot of their readers feel attacked,
May have started like that, but it's been hijacked by MRA assholes. Also, I've not seen much corruption in games journalism being uncovered by this.
What? Can you provide links or statements that can substantiate this? And are you completely disregarding the findings/claims against Zoe and Maya? I don't condone misogyny or support it in any way. I just want more attention on the corruption of the media. Not just gaming media but the media overall.
If this was actually about ethical standards, I don't think the targets would be writers like Jenn Frank and Patricia Hernandez.
I would strongly recommend that anyone who feels this way detach from the #GamerGate tag -- which is mired in harassment and hatred -- and find some other way to express that feeling of disenfranchisement, which is something I can totally sympathize with. I've long been against the "us vs. them" mentality in the games press, but this campaign has been co-opted by the likes of Adam Baldwin and that Breitbart guy, and it's become far more about radicalism and hatred than gamer pride.
I would strongly recommend that anyone who feels this way detach from the #GamerGate tag -- which is mired in harassment and hatred -- and find some other way to express that feeling of disenfranchisement, which is something I can totally sympathize with. I've long been against the "us vs. them" mentality in the games press, but this campaign has been co-opted by the likes of Adam Baldwin and that Breitbart guy, and it's become far more about radicalism and hatred than gamer pride.
Why would anyone feel attached by Leigh's article, unless you're part of that subculture and it hits close to you.. I play games, I love playing games, I guess that qualifies me as a gamer.. I didn't take that article as a personal attack in my person or in my hobby, I don't see why anyone would, sure Leigh sometimes says stuff in a way that is attacking.. but so? It doesn't deserve any of the pile on that she gets no matter how butthurt someone gets over her using the term gamer culture in general to what is going on at the moment, which by large, she's correct.. there's no need to say #notallgamers, she already knows that..
This is a load of bullshit. There are not "extremists on both sides." There are people who harass other people, and then there are people who don't. A feminist tweeting "kill all the gamers" might be tasteless, but it is not harassment. Sending messages to a writer with imgur spam saying she's corrupt and should be fired is harassment, and anyone who supports it should be banned from video games forever.I believe the original intent was to expose corruption and a lack of transparency within the industry but the whole movement has morphed into something else. There's extremists on both sides, really.
How did this even happen? All this time I thought there was another Adam Baldwin who was a blogger or something. But the Firefly guy actually got in on this? How random.
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I heard from several AAA devs at PAX about a fear over speaking up, worried about a backlash against their family. The silencing is working.
Those finding were minor in the grand scheme of things, and again, few if any cases of actual corruption in the games media have ever been proven. And people are no closer to proving anything now, it's just some bullshit about someone being friends with a dev and how that might have blah blah blah.
As for my statement about MRA assholes, look up what the #gamergate hashtag has turned into on Twitter, the vile abuse Jenn Frank got etc. It's all fucking garbage now and anyone with a sane mind should step away from that movement. If you want to keep digging into "corruption in the media" you should do that, but #gamergate has turned into fucking poison.
Regarding the silence of AAA devs
May have started like that, but it's been hijacked by MRA assholes. Also, I've not seen much corruption in games journalism being uncovered by this.