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Pachter predicts the death of the console
- Thread starter speculawyer
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ersocaster
Member
His reasoning is subject to debate, but there's no question this medium is contacting. I'm not about to place any bets, but I don't think all the current generation consoles combined will even reach Wii sales.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
I can see Microsoft getting out of the console business, but there will always be a market for consoles.
Aren't people with a vested interest in whatever they are pushing predict the death of consoles every week? And then after the holiday season after PS4 has reached 15 million people will be singing a different tune again.
Sure MS can prepare for mobile, they have zero momentum and marketshare, and its not worth it to keep their product line open, but Sony and Nintendo have lived with their own hardware before MS entered the game, i'm sure they will be there when MS is gone too
Sure MS can prepare for mobile, they have zero momentum and marketshare, and its not worth it to keep their product line open, but Sony and Nintendo have lived with their own hardware before MS entered the game, i'm sure they will be there when MS is gone too
SeventhSon
Member
I dub thee smarmy.gif
I agree that specialty gaming devices will become redundant. We're already seeing Sony moving towards a service with PSNow. Won't be long before Microsoft offers a platform agnostic Xbox service. They'll probably continue to provide their own hardware, but it won't be the only way to get their games.
I look forward to having to buy one mobile device and one living room device. Can't happen soon enough.
I look forward to having to buy one mobile device and one living room device. Can't happen soon enough.
lol
Um, why not? take a look at the "Call of Duty" of cellphones. We're closer to phones replacing consoles than you think:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st7eMfykiVE
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
Well, tbh, I don't think we'll have a Ps7 either.
It'll be all service based.
So maybe PSN and XBL will be still around when Playstation and Xbox hardware is long gone.
SomedayTheFire
Member
I mean they will die off eventually, he's not wrong about that.
Can you cut down on the copy-paste and link to the story?
Astro Racer
Banned
Is this guy a broken record? He says this every year.
QuixoticNeutral
Member
The model of the console as all-in-one set-top box that Microsoft has been pushing since the very first Xbox could very well die. But I'll take a moment to note that vinyl records and midrange DSLR cameras are doing just fine in the MP3/smartphone age. Dedicated game hardware will contract and stabilize around a specialist niche as it already shows signs of doing, and while the antsier players in the industry will jump ship it won't spell the death of the market.
Pachter's schtick is to look at game consoles as just another subsection of consumer hardware in competition with all the others and riding the same technology trends. It's a useful perspective in its own way but often too shortsighted, and it's why his dial is wildly off when it comes to companies like Nintendo.
Pachter's schtick is to look at game consoles as just another subsection of consumer hardware in competition with all the others and riding the same technology trends. It's a useful perspective in its own way but often too shortsighted, and it's why his dial is wildly off when it comes to companies like Nintendo.
AaronWatermelon
Member
All I can think about this future is how easy it'll be to sync an aimbot to your phone and that makes me upset.
Trigonometrize.
Member
Pachter's comedy act is one of the best in the business.
Altered Juice
Member
fuck outta here with that bullshit...
I agree. With Microsoft specifically, they have a digital store that spans windows and their phones. And then there's that web browsing cloud gaming thing.
I suspect things like this will pull in the less enthusiast crowd that left consoles entirely.
TetraGenesis
Member
Glanced over the title and totally thought this was announcing Pachter's death. Hahaha. Yikes.
speculawyer
Member
Really? Are you playing on OnLive?
You think the internet is magically going to become faster in the next 8 years?
What happens when 4K arrives?
Good luck with that.
Read all about that glorious future:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/search.php?searchid=21917441
I guarantee you you ask a group of people if they know what Steam is they would say no, but they would immediately know what Xbox and Playstation are.
There is no way around saying it, streaming is bullshit. Anyone who has heard vinyl or watched a Blu-Ray knows that streaming music and video doesn't even come close to the quality of having a local copy. Gaming especially would be the worst for streaming as there is so much to load in and it is interactive. I don't want to hit the jump button and have an internet connection send that command across the world to another machine that actually processes that command in the game, and then have the video relayed back to me. Forget that.
Pachter, post on here and talk to us, we miss you.
There is no way around saying it, streaming is bullshit. Anyone who has heard vinyl or watched a Blu-Ray knows that streaming music and video doesn't even come close to the quality of having a local copy. Gaming especially would be the worst for streaming as there is so much to load in and it is interactive. I don't want to hit the jump button and have an internet connection send that command across the world to another machine that actually processes that command in the game, and then have the video relayed back to me. Forget that.
Pachter, post on here and talk to us, we miss you.
I don't see how or why it'd be any easier than on console/PC. :/
Depends on where you live really. Anything semi-rural is going to have a tough time of it given how things are currently.
kerotan_eater
Banned
I kind of agree.
I mean remember you can now play GTA:SA, on your iPhone.
In another eight or nine years we will be able to play GTAV on one. Double that and we will be able to play whatever the last GTA is this generation which will probably look quite a bit more technically superior to The Division ..The Division..
That's 18 years from now. An iPhone ... may well do achieve that.
How much will we care about graphics after that? I'd argue not much longer after two or three generations at the latest.
I mean Imagine just hooking up your iPhone to your television and playing a $3 version of GTA:VII.
I mean remember you can now play GTA:SA, on your iPhone.
In another eight or nine years we will be able to play GTAV on one. Double that and we will be able to play whatever the last GTA is this generation which will probably look quite a bit more technically superior to The Division ..The Division..
That's 18 years from now. An iPhone ... may well do achieve that.
How much will we care about graphics after that? I'd argue not much longer after two or three generations at the latest.
I mean Imagine just hooking up your iPhone to your television and playing a $3 version of GTA:VII.
He is correct that low-end and general purpose devices are enough to fulfill a lot of peoples' entertainment needs.
He's wrong in saying that phones and set-top boxes will be "good enough" for so many people that nobody will need or want anything more powerful. If anything, the consoles will fit pretty well into the paradigm of Roku, Fire TV, and what have you, serving as a higher end alternative for anyone who wants demanding games in addition to media features.
As for streaming games, that's still up in the air at this point. We'll have to see how PSNow performs before we make any major judgments.
He's wrong in saying that phones and set-top boxes will be "good enough" for so many people that nobody will need or want anything more powerful. If anything, the consoles will fit pretty well into the paradigm of Roku, Fire TV, and what have you, serving as a higher end alternative for anyone who wants demanding games in addition to media features.
As for streaming games, that's still up in the air at this point. We'll have to see how PSNow performs before we make any major judgments.
Graphics Horse
Member
Eh...
That sounds like the death of the console to me, sorry. Pachter is basically saying that in the part you bolded.
He is right. Streaming technology is progressing at a much faster rate than I think anyone expected. As long as something is done to break up the ISP monopolies in the US there is no reason for consoles 8-10 years down the road to simply be a streaming application and a controller.
CrunchyFrog
Member
Oh my god this is glorious
What is he on about when it comes to microprocessors?
Didn't 80s and 90s home computers contain them and work fine on a TV screen? That would suggest that isn't the reason for the success of consoles.
Or is he saying something about the size of a microprocessor and USB sticks?
(Asking genuinely, I'm not that great on the technical side of things so have a feeling I'm completely misunderstanding)
Didn't 80s and 90s home computers contain them and work fine on a TV screen? That would suggest that isn't the reason for the success of consoles.
Or is he saying something about the size of a microprocessor and USB sticks?
(Asking genuinely, I'm not that great on the technical side of things so have a feeling I'm completely misunderstanding)
You just said it in your post. Being a little behind might be worth it especially since mobile is becoming more and more popular.
Personally i can't think of anything i'd enjoy less.
Shogun1337
Junior Member
This fucked up graphics race. That's about the only explanation necessary. It's unsustainable. It's always been unsustainable. So let's see how many more years the industry can withstand ye' graphic hogs (not you specifically)
AaronWatermelon
Member
Considering assholes are spawning Meteors in my PS3 GTA Online, you're probably right. I'd just assume the process would have a lower barrier to entry, being that most (android) phones are incredibly easy to mess around with.
speculawyer
Member
i don't know where i heard it but i agree with the statement..
i think the successful first year of Playstation (and even Xbox One) pretty much guarantees that both companies will very soon start talking about a successor internally.
Remember they talked about how the PS4 was in the starting phases around 2008? well if both consoles continue this momentum until 2016 there is no way we won't see another console generation.
i think the successful first year of Playstation (and even Xbox One) pretty much guarantees that both companies will very soon start talking about a successor internally.
Remember they talked about how the PS4 was in the starting phases around 2008? well if both consoles continue this momentum until 2016 there is no way we won't see another console generation.
Chezzymann
Member
I think you're underestimating how long it will take for that. The latest phones can already roughly play early Xbox 360 games (See: Bioshock.). I bet three years from now they will easily be able to play GTA V (Not the re released version coming out this year though).
User 479360
Banned
Consoles interest me much more than the alternative.