black_vegeta
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Bayonetta 2 off to a slow start in Japan [Update: Week 2 sales]
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SomedayTheFire
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Not particularly, the big worry is Platinum losing future games contracts because all of their games don't sell very well (bar MGR). Scalebound needs to be a hit for them if this bombs.
Metal Gear Rising had the series name attached to it is what I'm guessing contributed to most of its success.
Destiny. Well, I don't know, how much of it were individual sales and how much of it were bundle sales? Honest question on this last part if anyone knows.
Aquamarine
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Bayonetta
Released 2009-10-29 on the Xbox 360
Sold 66,211 copies in the 2009-10-26 through 2009-11-01 reporting week (4 days of tracking)
The Xbox 360 installbase was 1,154,538, so first week attach rate was 5.73%.
Bayonetta 1 + 2
Released 2014-09-20 on the Wii U
Sold 33,114 copies in the 2014-09-15 through 2014-09-21 reporting week (2 days of tracking)
The Wii U installbase was 1,911,205, so first week attach rate was 1.73%.
Although, I'm not sure how much of a difference an extra two days would make. The sales are very front-loaded for opening day.
metalslimer
Member
I don't seem to ever recall the 360 producing software coming close to Mario Kart or 3d world or ever selling what Wii U does consistently. This argument that the console market caused this is pretty horrible.
Yeah there are quite a few Wii U games over 100k.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
I know. My point was that I think this decision was less "well PG games don't sell so fuck those guys" and more "Fuck everything that isn't Sonic"
Well yeah that was part of their restructuring strategy. Sonic games and proven franchises only. So Total War and Football Manager in the West and Yakuza in Japan.
PG makes good games and continues to get work. So I don't get why people play out these doomsday scenarios for them every time they see sales numbers. (In Japan no less, where they've never been good)
ArchedThunder
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bobawesome
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I like it when people pretend sales don't matter. Yes, a game's quality is the most important thing but products need to make money otherwise people stop making them. When Nintendo ponies up the cash to pay for this and it sells no copies and attracts no buyers to the Wii U, the chances of them doing similar things in the future goes down.
So yeah, Bayo 2 is probably going to be fun as shit either way but to pretend sales aren't a thing is shortsighted at best and intellectually dishonest at worst.
Hero of Legend
Member
Why did Nintendo avoid proper marketing? Didn't the original have billboards and such? Why did they not try?
nah it should be fine. they might handle the next metal gear raiden game or whatever, plus they have the legend of korra thing, which should make money. knowing nickelodeon though, it'll only be available online.
I love how they compared the first week sales of the PS360 numbers to the first four days of the Wii U numbers.
But still, we all knew this game would bomba no matter what console it was released on. Still getting it day one.
its a combination of wii u and that....we cant stop and say that no consoles are breaking 10,00 and then say that cant be a problem
SolidSnakex
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The PS4 sold 23k units that week, so even if we assumed that every single one of those was for the Destiny bundle, it still would've outsold Bayonetta 2.
Didn't it say it hasn't been a week yet, though?
Aquamarine
Member
Nope. They were comparing the first four days of PS3 / 360 numbers to the first two days of Wii U numbers.
See this:
It's just poor reporting on IGN's part.
Both figures are for less than one week of sales.
UncleLeo!?
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That's a good one. At least in the US the game had 45k preorders after the week ending on the 13th (and yes I got the number from that website). So there is some hope outside of Japan, maybe?
I know it's gonna bomb everywhere, its Platinum.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
It's already been confirmed as a download exclusive, $15 title.
patrickthehedgehog
Member
I think people are just afraid of a powerful female lead character... It's the opposite of moe garbage.
Spieler Eins
Member
The 360 very much was.
I get the feeling that Platinum Games do slightly better in the West (emphasis on slightly).
Hence why two Western companies (Activision and MS) have commissioned games despite their lukewarm sales overall.
Plus, every time I see a "I got a Wii U" thread, most of them get the Wonderful 101. Sure it's a small number, but it shows the attach rate is there. It's not Mario Kart 8 but it's something. It's a slow burn.
Hence why two Western companies (Activision and MS) have commissioned games despite their lukewarm sales overall.
Plus, every time I see a "I got a Wii U" thread, most of them get the Wonderful 101. Sure it's a small number, but it shows the attach rate is there. It's not Mario Kart 8 but it's something. It's a slow burn.
Jimmyfenix
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Nailed it.
SwiftDeath
Member
Which means the hope is based off of nothing. That website is crap, everyone knows its crap. I'm not saying Bayonetta 2 can't do better in the US but that website's numbers are made up
Are you calling 1 data point "historical precedence"?
Not that I think it'll necessarily start selling better, I just think the logic behind that is silly.
Taekwonmaster
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In one hand I´ll be really happy next mont when I´ll be playin Bayo 1 and 2 on my WII U; in the other hand I´ll be very sad if this title doesnt pick up steam because then I will be sure that us, the consumers, are the ones to be blamed for the current "stacy malibu syndrome" state of the gaming industry.
qualitydisc
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This took me half a page before the joke hit me.
Not great to hear, but not totally shocking. Knowing Japan's frontloaded nature I don't expect much more out of it sadly. Also I know digital is less popular over there so I wouldn't put much hope in that making things much better. I still figure this is somewhere in the realm of what Nintendo projected internally. Likely near the bottom though.
Looking forward to it arriving here and giving my WiiU some love after a few quiet months with just the occasional kart game or 2. Just the type of game I've been feeling an urge to play lately too.
Looking forward to it arriving here and giving my WiiU some love after a few quiet months with just the occasional kart game or 2. Just the type of game I've been feeling an urge to play lately too.
Ugh, you honestly believe it has 45k pre orders in the US ...
Not surprised but I'm sure it will do a lot more in the West in the long run.
Or should I say, I hope it does. Bayonetta did more than a million being...
- a new IP
- action game, not exactly the most trendy genre at that time
- multiplatform with one bad version
- strong japanese look
- poor marketing IIRC
... and that wasn't bad after all.
Time and word of mouth made Bayonetta associated with the best action game out there.
About Bayonetta 2, there has been a lot of talks about the game since the announce. This and the high marks ( > 91 on Metacritic, my bet) are hopefully going to help it and the included port of Bayonetta is a great move.
I wish Platinum Games and Kamiya could get the praise of more and more people.
Or should I say, I hope it does. Bayonetta did more than a million being...
- a new IP
- action game, not exactly the most trendy genre at that time
- multiplatform with one bad version
- strong japanese look
- poor marketing IIRC
... and that wasn't bad after all.
Time and word of mouth made Bayonetta associated with the best action game out there.
About Bayonetta 2, there has been a lot of talks about the game since the announce. This and the high marks ( > 91 on Metacritic, my bet) are hopefully going to help it and the included port of Bayonetta is a great move.
I wish Platinum Games and Kamiya could get the praise of more and more people.
Aquamarine
Member
Wait, where on earth are you getting this information?
Please tell me my suspicions are unfounded...
No one should be shocked.
The game was going to bomb no matter what console it was released on. It is a niche title.
There is a reason as to why Sega didn't want to publish it on their own after all and a reason why neither Sony nor Microsoft jumped in probably.
That's just how things go....hopefully it does "better" in other markets but w/ the butthurt and the wii U catching Ls left and right...I doubt it.
Savor it while you can because the future won't be kind to these type of games for the same reasons.
The game was going to bomb no matter what console it was released on. It is a niche title.
There is a reason as to why Sega didn't want to publish it on their own after all and a reason why neither Sony nor Microsoft jumped in probably.
That's just how things go....hopefully it does "better" in other markets but w/ the butthurt and the wii U catching Ls left and right...I doubt it.
Savor it while you can because the future won't be kind to these type of games for the same reasons.
ElectricKaibutsu
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Do we know how much the original Bayonetta cost? I know the new one costs ¥7,000 which is pretty pricey.
Though really I'm betting it's because the market just doesn't exist on Wii U.
Though really I'm betting it's because the market just doesn't exist on Wii U.
Don't extrapolate anecdotal trends from select GAF threads onto the general population. GAF is a horribly unrepresentative sample. GAF is a good predictor of GAF.
He says that website so its that website
Jimmyfenix
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Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
A thread created exclusively to insult the performance of a niche title on a niche platform in a country where consoles are niche to begin with?
What kind of discussion are you exactly hoping to have? That it would have done better if it wasn't WiiU exclusive?
What kind of discussion are you exactly hoping to have? That it would have done better if it wasn't WiiU exclusive?
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
It's the site that you love so dearly, Aqua.
*****.com?
holy shit sp-ong is still banned. incredible. but sponge isn't? outrage.
More and more people are fooled by chatz everyday, and can you blame them?! False advertising of the highest caliber!
SwiftDeath
Member
I'm not exactly trying to do detailed data analysis with it, simply stating that Bayonetta 1 very clearly did much worse in the US than it did in Japan. Sure maybe my word choice was a bit too strong given what it refers to but it's the correct notion of what I was talking about.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
That the game sold
Astral Dog
Member
YeS, this isnt surprising Bayonetta is always going to have a niche audience, and its on a niche system, but Platinum keeps getting work thanks to the quality of their games,i hope Bayo 2 gets good word of mouth and keeps selling until the holidays, but im glad Platinum still got to make the game they wanted to make and Nintendo supported it, even bundling it with the original.
Goddamn I didn't know it was that bad. I used to think it was just the gamers over in the US that ignore these gems but apparently gamers everywhere have bad taste. Japan, EU, US, we all suck.
As always thanks for the numbers Aqua
However, I recall it being discounted rather quickly. So a lot of the million sales were likely from that.
ViewtifulJC
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Operation Platinum will save Bayo2 in the West, don't worry
Retro_ has this shit on lock
Retro_ has this shit on lock
Nintendo picked up an abandoned ip and a new confusing action concept, and you're really trying to argue that they put all their hopes into those games being hits. Platinum and Nintendo knew the score from day one, but pursued Bayonetta and W101, because they like creating, and any collaboration between two of the best developers in the world is worth the monetary loss.