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Dark Souls II |OT++| Bearer of...Seek...Seek...Lest

krakov

Member
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not D:. You can still be invaded, just it's less likely as you can't buy unlimited orbs. However, you can farm them from those boars in Majula. Also with everyone being vulnerable to invasions you now actually have a smaller percent chance to be invaded. Someone also told me the more hollow you are the lower you are on the list to be invade.

I have a bit of a love hate with the invasions personally I feel it should have been either no invasions when hollow, or no invasions when the boss is dead instead of making you vulnerable to invasions in both scenarios.

In my experience it's extremely uncommon to be invaded until late game or in the bell areas. Last playtrough I got invaded by DS1 style twinks in Lost Bastille though, SM doesn't really solve that problem even though it makes it less common (just like invasions in general).

Your last paragraph I totally agree with. But this was how it worked in DeS and DS, which was already great. I have no idea why you can get invaded after the boss is defeated, most likely because with all the SM tiers you wouldn't find targets otherwise. Trying to get some off the path loot while being constantly invaded by the same arbiter over and over again is a billion times worse than being invaded by twinks in DS1.
 
Hey guys what did I mi...

There's a new Ganksquad when all the map room flames turn blue.

H76kMg4.jpg

Nope.
 

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
That picture makes my body hair rise

It's horrifying

I love it
 

test_account

XP-39C²
Regarding the Ivory King DLC, when
Alsanna say that you might encounter other beings of the dark, who is she referring to? Is she referring to the "red girl" from the Iron King DLC? Seems kinda strange concidering that you've technically already encountered her seeing that the Ivory King was released after this. I guess it makes sense if people play the Ivory King DLC first though.


Finally beat
Darklurker
after more than 25x tries. So many human effigies wasted. I feel like a burden have been liften from my shoulders and just wanted to share it with you guys. It's my first playtrough :)
Congrats on beating that boss :) Its a pretty difficult boss indeed.

By the way, if you dont want to use human effigies, you can use Life Protection Ring instead. When you use that ring and get killed, you wont lose your humanity and will also keep your souls. The negative thing is that the ring breaks upon death, but it can easily be repaired for 3000 souls. It basically serves as unlimited human effigies as long as you have enough souls to repair it.

EDIT: Another downside is that you have to warp to a blacksmith to get the ring repaired. Its more time friendly to just use a human effigy instead. But at least its possible to be in human form all the time without worrying of runing out of human effigies =)
 

Mistel

Banned
Regarding the Ivory King DLC, when
Alsanna say that you might encounter other beings of the dark, who is she referring to? Is she referring to the "red girl" from the Iron King DLC? Seems kinda strange concidering that you've technically already encountered her seeing that the Ivory King was released after this. I guess it makes sense if people play the Ivory King DLC first though.
The other children of the darkness they're all shard of Manus so Nashandra et al are being of the dark.
 

test_account

XP-39C²
The other children of the darkness they're all shard of Manus so Nashandra et al are being of the dark.
Thanks, that is what i thought. Just seemed a bit strange to say that i might encounter them when i have already have encountered them. But maybe she doesnt know if i have encountered them or not, that is fully plausible.
 

Mistel

Banned
Thanks, that is what i thought. Just seemed a bit strange to say that i might encounter them when i have already have encountered them. But maybe she doesnt know if i have encountered them or not, that is fully plausible.
Probably since she was most likely stuck there shes got no idea of the outside world so can't know whats going on. Then there's the whole portal thing.
 
Can you even drop them? I think you can only discard them.

50 Loyce farming promotes cheesy tactics to avoid SM bloat and to keep it faster: Just Black Crystal out of the host's world after killing the initial waves of Loyce Knights. It's really dickish if the host wants to kill the boss, but that farming is.. Something else.
Saw lots of people do this when I was farming for them, hosts did it as well.

I ended up getting 27, just 23 more to go =/

You knew many people were farming because everyone was wearing the chest head; it was hilarious.

When the enemies despawned I just waited for someone to summon me... Since there are some guys invading there I fought some invaders, it was fun so I'll stay there until I get the 50 Loyce souls, then I'll get all the weapons/spells from Ornifex and Straid I can and then I'll move to NG+.

I tricked many people into thinking I was away by not moving at all, then attacked them without mercy :D
 
Thanks, that is what i thought. Just seemed a bit strange to say that i might encounter them when i have already have encountered them. But maybe she doesnt know if i have encountered them or not, that is fully plausible.

Well its supposed Humans are the children of the dark because they inherited the dark soul shard within them but someone in team B got drunk and linked manus fragments to be exclusive to that title still, it contradicts with Nashandra itself because she was the first to awake and take form to use Vendrik yet other manus fragments awaked way before her in the timelin just to be there in sake of the DLC awful plot.
 

NEO0MJ

Member
Well its supposed Humans are the children of the dark because they inherited the dark soul shard within them but someone in team B got drunk and linked manus fragments to be exclusive to that title still, it contradicts with Nashandra itself because she was the first to awake and take form to use Vendrik yet other manus fragments awaked way before her in the timelin just to be there in sake of the DLC awful plot.

While all humans share fragments of the Dark Soul the main portion was still within Manus, similar to how the witches and Gwyn's kin and Knights had fragments of the Lord Soul but the main portions were held by the 4 Lords.
At least, that's how I see it.

And I think Nashandra waking up first still makes sense. The war with the giants happened a long time ago and she met Vendrick even before that.
 
Well its supposed Humans are the children of the dark because they inherited the dark soul shard within them but someone in team B got drunk and linked manus fragments to be exclusive to that title still, it contradicts with Nashandra itself because she was the first to awake and take form to use Vendrik yet other manus fragments awaked way before her in the timelin just to be there in sake of the DLC awful plot.

The only thing that we know for sure is that she was the first fragment that took form. That and being the last sister to find a worthy vessel (as Vendrick says) are two facts that are not mutually exclusive.

Also, Vendrick pointed out that humans were born from the dark as well, so there's no contradiction with the lore established in the first game.
 
While all humans share fragments of the Dark Soul the main portion was still within Manus, similar to how the witches and Gwyn's kin and Knights had fragments of the Lord Soul but the main portions were held by the 4 Lords.
At least, that's how I see it.

No, Manus is still not clarified to be the owner of the Dark Soul but is indeed the father of the abyss by completely awake his dark soul fragment.

And I think Nashandra waking up first still makes sense. The war with the giants happened a long time ago and she met Vendrick even before that.

Fair point still the kingdoms existed before Vendrick established Drangelic so the timeline is still not coherent for me. Also there is no extra dialogues from nashandra about slaying the other queens and is still giving the impresion she is the only former manus fragment.

The only thing that we know for sure is that she was the first fragment that took form. That and being the last sister to find a worthy vessel (as Vendrick says) are two facts that are not mutually exclusive.

There is no indication she have sisters at all or being the last of getting a king, the game argument is pretty stupid when you compared the items description with the new DLC content heavily pointing you Nashandra descends from Manus in a very solid one sided dialogue in case the player dont know how to read and use his/her brain.

Also, Vendrick pointed out that humans were born from the dark as well, so there's no contradiction with the lore established in the first game.

The dialogue is misleading as always because in that dialogue he refers the humans as the ones who can use the dark and fire but not as child of the dark as they were reffered in DS1 but when it reach Nashandra topic he directly says she is a children of the dark because manus. So the game heavily takes you think the manus fragments are the child of the dark and not letting you belive the other queens would be humans already using their dark soul like the darklurker, sir alonne (in some extend) and the fume knight
 

Mistel

Banned
I'm about to jump back in to the last two DLC's, is the RIT still a solid weapon? I need to catch up on recent patch notes...
Still very good might want to get a drakekeeper's warpick though got longer range halberd moveset like 420 damage with A STR scaling. For those point where slash don't cut it specially for the second dlc.
Hmmm, I always thought he was the pygmy since we first knew about him in the original Dark Souls.
Nope never was.
 
No, Manus is still not clarified to be the owner of the Dark Soul but is indeed the father of the abyss by completely awake his dark soul fragment.



Fair point still the kingdoms existed before Vendrick established Drangelic so the timeline is still not coherent for me. Also there is no extra dialogues from nashandra about slaying the other queens and is still giving the impresion she is the only former manus fragment.

The timeline is not coherent if you think that Nashandra was the first fragment of Manus that tried to intervene with the events of the world. But we don't know that. What we know for sure is that she was the first fragment that gained a human form, and that she was also the tinniest of those fragments, and because she's the smallest and was aware of her fragility she was in the search for power. The game never states that she is the only fragment of Manus.

There is no indication she have sisters at all or being the last of getting a king, the game argument is pretty stupid when you compared the items description with the new DLC content heavily pointing you Nashandra descends from Manus in a very solid one sided dialogue in case the player dont know how to read and use his/her brain.

The game says:

The old one of the Abyss was reborn in death,
split into minuscule fragments, and spread
across the land.
The smallest of the pieces, sensing its own
fragility, yearned for what it lacked.


This, to me, is an indication that there are other fragments of Manus out there. Of course we didn't know if those fragments took human forms, but even before the DLC was released many speculated that Darklurker was also one of those fragments. The possibility of the existence of other beings like Nashandra was a thing before the DLC.

The dialogue is misleading as always because in that dialogue he refers the humans as the ones who can use the dark and fire but not as child of the dark as they were reffered in DS1 but when it reach Nashandra topic he directly says she is a children of the dark because manus. So the game heavily takes you think the manus fragments are the child of the dark and not letting you belive the other queens would be humans already using their dark soul like the darklurker, sir alonne (in some extend) and the fume knight

Well, to be fair the meaning of the dark has always been very ambiguous: Humans were not the only beings that came from the dark. The opening movie in DS says that Nito, Gwyn, the Witch of Izalith and the Furtive Pygmy came all from the dark. But the only ones that used the dark soul were humans, specifically it was the furtive pygmy who gave it to his descendants... why exactly? to put it in the terms of demon's souls, apparently that gave the humans "clarity". Then in the game we had the Abyss, and I thought that that was the place all beings came from originally (humans, demigods, etc). Then the DLC happened and we had Manus -the primeval human- whose humanity went wild and created the abyss, yet another manifestation of the dark.

And in DSII we have the Darklurker: who interestingly is a fragment of the abyss, we don't know if that means it is or it's not a fragment of Manus. Elana is also a fragment of the abyss (it's never stated that she is a fragment of Manus), we don't know much about Nadalia other than her being a child of dark that came after the Iron king had already disappeared; the only one that we know was born from Manus is Alsanna, who was born from his fears and decided to accompany the Ivory King. Many people think (including myself) that all these children of dark are fragments of Manus, Alsanna confirms that there are others like her, and the pattern: a child of dark that search for a powerful king repeats itself 4 times so it may be possible that the queens are sisters that share the same objective. Since we don't know when they came to be and what they've done since they were born, Elana, Nadalia and Alsanna going to different lands before Nashandra met Vendrick is not exactly a contradiction in my opinion.

I actually like what they did with the story in the DLC. They finally gave us a "happy" ending.
 

ilium

Member
i was doing co op with someone today and after we we killed the boss he sent me a message via PSN telling me that if i used an uninfused chime hammer + dark pine resin i could actually do more damage than with an infused + dark weapon. is this true?
 
That's an interesting question... Dark damage is tied to INT & FTH so it depends on your stats?

In the other hand the total damage you make with an infused weapon is split between normal and dark damage therefore if an enemy has high dark resistance the damage you inflict would be less than if you have a not infused weapon + dark pine resin?

In short, I don't know either =P
 
The timeline is not coherent if you think that Nashandra was the first fragment of Manus that tried to intervene with the events of the world. But we don't know that. What we know for sure is that she was the first fragment that gained a human form, and that she was also the tinniest of those fragments, and because she's the smallest and was aware of her fragility she was in the search for power. The game never states that she is the only fragment of Manus.

This, to me, is an indication that there are other fragments of Manus out there. Of course we didn't know if those fragments took human forms, but even before the DLC was released many speculated that Darklurker was also one of those fragments. The possibility of the existence of other beings like Nashandra was a thing before the DLC.

I need a coffee for this.

Of course there are other fragments that would come in the future of the game out there but the point with Nashandra is she is still the first fragment to set in motion the harvesting plot of the king souls and "break the circle" in game but by the adition of the DLC she is falling apart to be first one and the whole point of the vanilla game falls apart in terms of lore

In Sunken King, Drangelic was the culprit in decimating Shulva habitant, In Iron King they tried to scavenge the black Iron but failed to only damage one efigy of the ashe lady yet she didnt know her "sisters" were already setting in motion their planes or aware the player encounter dark being out there, not even the abyss covenant leader is aware of the abyss chasms in the DLC.

It looks like by ending the game and looking at nashandra's items the new devs in charge of DS is trying to use manus fragments as a plot device to keep the game alive which is a lazy tactic to keep the plot running while you are looking for a sustancial plot to keep the series going but for what purpose?

Ending the game is pointless since you are stuck in the cicles the devs created to make more games so there is no significative consecuences in this game.



Well, to be fair the meaning of the dark has always been very ambiguous: Humans were not the only beings that came from the dark. The opening movie in DS says that Nito, Gwyn, the Witch of Izalith and the Furtive Pygmy came all from the dark. But the only ones that used the dark soul were humans, specifically it was the furtive pygmy who gave it to his descendants... why exactly? to put it in the terms of demon's souls, apparently that gave the humans "clarity". Then in the game we had the Abyss, and I thought that that was the place all beings came from originally (humans, demigods, etc). Then the DLC happened and we had Manus -the primeval human- whose humanity went wild and created the abyss, yet another manifestation of the dark.

Unlike Humans they born with their own flames part of the original flame but Pygmy knew the humans would not survive alone or being hunted/slaved by the other lords so he gave them his Dark Soul but humans were unaware of their potential so Gwyn used them as a fuel for the bonfires but later own humans developed their own potencial of manipulating the souls (Int) and use their devotion of the gods as a source of power (faith).

Pygmy knew the era of the flame will end and the humans were the one of the few creatures that could survive the dark without being heavily corrupted like the other lords of the souls, maybe pygmy was a human too.

And in DSII we have the Darklurker: who interestingly is a fragment of the abyss, we don't know if that means it is or it's not a fragment of Manus. Elana is also a fragment of the abyss (it's never stated that she is a fragment of Manus), we don't know much about Nadalia other than her being a child of dark that came after the Iron king had already disappeared; the only one that we know was born from Manus is Alsanna, who was born from his fears and decided to accompany the Ivory King. Many people think (including myself) that all these children of dark are fragments of Manus, Alsanna confirms that there are others like her, and the pattern: a child of dark that search for a powerful king repeats itself 4 times so it may be possible that the queens are sisters that share the same objective. Since we don't know when they came to be and what they've done since they were born, Elana, Nadalia and Alsanna going to different lands before Nashandra met Vendrick is not exactly a contradiction in my opinion.

The problem is the game script tied the child of the dark as fragments of manus while Darklurker could be a human with the same fate as the four kings and Elana being a Hollowed human using her dark soul for her own prupose to begin the era of dark.


I actually like what they did with the story in the DLC. They finally gave us a "happy" ending.

Guess we have differrent definitions of "Happy"

That's an interesting question... Dark damage is tied to INT & FTH so it depends on your stats?

In the other hand the total damage you make with an infused weapon is split between normal and dark damage therefore if an enemy has high dark resistance the damage you inflict would be less than if you have a not infused weapon + dark pine resin?

In short, I don't know either =P

It caps with Int and Faith and scales with the lowest of those stats so it would problably do less damage compared to a non infused dark weapon
 

krakov

Member
i was doing co op with someone today and after we we killed the boss he sent me a message via PSN telling me that if i used an uninfused chime hammer + dark pine resin i could actually do more damage than with an infused + dark weapon. is this true?

Resin adds a flat 50 (?) AR to the weapon.
Dark weapon adds a flat 50 (?) AR + 25% of total dark AR on top.
 

HK-47

Oh, bitch bitch bitch.
Anyone have a list of ng+ black phantom enemies? I'm about to fight the Mirror Knight on a no deaths/no bonfire run and I wanna know if there is anything in the shrine/crypt that will surprise me.
 
Anyone have a list of ng+ black phantom enemies? I'm about to fight the Mirror Knight on a no deaths/no bonfire run and I wanna know if there is anything in the shrine/crypt that will surprise me.

No added BP's in either place, but Shrine has an added Priestess that heals the archdrake and other sorceress's. Might be some extra archdrakes too. Crypt had a few more of the big dual shield wielding enemies at the beginning.
 

HK-47

Oh, bitch bitch bitch.
No BP's in either place, but Shrine has an added Priestess that heals the archdrake and other sorceress's. Might be some extra archdrakes too. Crypt had a few more of the big dual shield wielding enemies at the beginning.

I knew about the shield guys I'm not happy about that. What elements are the shrine maidens weak to so I can snipe them all?
 
I'm at Aava and I don't even know what's going on. The enemies in this DLC are easier than Iron King, but the first boss can take huge damage? 250 damage per hit with a Longsword +10 and it still feels like I'm doing nothing.
 
Edit: I read Fume instead of Smelter 2.0. At least Smelter didn't go in dry, I suppose.

Still need to be Alonne and the optional boss of Ivory. BTW if anyone was wondering, Vaati has a video that talks about the spawn of the Reindeer, here: http://youtu.be/fmbBCFOzRus?t=3m21s

My problem is that I'm on NG++ and the bosses are just destroying me. I did NG a lot solo, NG+ a lot with summoning people and there just aren't ppl to summon for Smelter 2.0 or Sir Alonne @.@
 

zkylon

zkylewd
My problem is that I'm on NG++ and the bosses are just destroying me. I did NG a lot solo, NG+ a lot with summoning people and there just aren't ppl to summon for Smelter 2.0 or Sir Alonne @.@
yeah been through that myself, it's pretty frustrating specially cos you go over with soul memory and then you can't summon anyone for help either

i ended up creating a new character and beating the game in like 3 or 4 days with very few deaths, using summons for the fights i didn't like (mirror knight)

and even with this new game character i can't find anyone for summoning (and i still get invaded)

i feel for you, soul memory is awful :/
 

sixghost

Member
Hey guys, I haven't played DS2 since the launch and I think I'm going to start a new character to check out the DLC pretty soon. Could you recommend some interesting builds, weapons, or armor? I feel like I've tried almost every type of character throughout DS1 and 2.
 

RVinP

Unconfirmed Member
Hey guys, I haven't played DS2 since the launch and I think I'm going to start a new character to check out the DLC pretty soon. Could you recommend some interesting builds, weapons, or armor? I feel like I've tried almost every type of character throughout DS1 and 2.

Prepare for Bloodborne!
.Dragonslayer Crescent Axe
.Heavy Crossbow

 

Gvaz

Banned
the player is the owner of the dark soul, the true one. the character in ds1 is dead dead and the player in ds2 obtained the dark soul
 

HK-47

Oh, bitch bitch bitch.
Ugh I'm on Watcher/Defender/Nasandra in my no deaths/no bonfire attempt and they are ng+++ since I used an ascetic there. I'm scared to go in. I only have Benhart as backup since I didnt go to Tseldora.
 

ilium

Member
That's an interesting question... Dark damage is tied to INT & FTH so it depends on your stats?

In the other hand the total damage you make with an infused weapon is split between normal and dark damage therefore if an enemy has high dark resistance the damage you inflict would be less than if you have a not infused weapon + dark pine resin?

In short, I don't know either =P

It caps with Int and Faith and scales with the lowest of those stats so it would problably do less damage compared to a non infused dark weapon

Resin adds a flat 50 (?) AR to the weapon.
Dark weapon adds a flat 50 (?) AR + 25% of total dark AR on top.

hmm..

i wonder how much exactly dark pine resin adds. fextralife wiki says:
Boosts existing dark damage by 30%
Adds 50 dark attack value of the right-hand weapon for 90 seconds
but it's fextralife so i dunno...wikidot doesn't give any values.

anyway, i think it comes down to the stats. i am currently at 50 STR 60/60 INT/FTH getting around 873 AR on the status screen if i remember right. this obviously drops a lot with an uninfused hammer which might not say much. if i'd get 99 STR and 40/40 INT/FTH however i wonder if i'd do more damage with an uninfused hammer and resin. it keeps B scaling in STR at +5. dark drops from A to B.

guess i have to test it in order to get an answer. can anyone recommend me enemies where i should test the damage?

edit: when i was researching this last night i read that weapon buffs on innate elemental weapons were bugged somehow. was this fixed already?
 

Mistel

Banned
anyway, i think it comes down to the stats. i am currently at 50 STR 60/60 INT/FTH getting around 873 AR on the status screen if i remember right. this obviously drops a lot with an uninfused hammer which might not say much. if i'd get 99 STR and 40/40 INT/FTH however i wonder if i'd do more damage with an uninfused hammer and resin. it keeps B scaling in STR at +5. dark drops from A to B.
Didn't I mention that an uninfused one would be better when we talked about it? At 50/60/60 you get about 747 but you're dealing higher amounts of physical damage which is more preferable and with higher STR scaling. 99/40/40 uninfused at max you'd get 773 AR still with more physical and higher STR scaling.

Although you're dealing split damage which fudges up the numbers a smidge it's pretty clear cut.
 
Ugh I'm on Watcher/Defender/Nasandra in my no deaths/no bonfire attempt and they are ng+++ since I used an ascetic there. I'm scared to go in. I only have Benhart as backup since I didnt go to Tseldora.

Good luck, you should be fine if you made it this far. Just don't get greedy.
 
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