The numbers are wrong. Resin adds 50 dark damage to the weapon not AR, and the dark weapon dark bonus is (original dark damage + 50) x 1.25 so dark weapon does more.
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Dark Souls II |OT++| Bearer of...Seek...Seek...Lest
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Is there are difference?
The wiki says resin adds 30% dark damage as well, but idk. I guess you generally can't use resins on infused weapons anyways.
The add 30% damage thing is wrong. There's a fair bit of difference between damage and AR that means that they're not synonymous.
Ok, is the difference secret or something? feel free to tell us about it.
after the very limited testing i've done with 50/60/60 and 99/40/40 the latter seems to be worse in damage actually.
that was in PvE. i wonder if more dark damage might be an advantage for PvP?
all that split damage min max stuff makes my head hurt.. @@
does anyone want to trade me a drakekeeper's great hammer?
psn ng+ max tier
that was in PvE. i wonder if more dark damage might be an advantage for PvP?
all that split damage min max stuff makes my head hurt.. @@
does anyone want to trade me a drakekeeper's great hammer?
psn ng+ max tier
Not particularity helpful you've got lot of variety on the defense front and you're still got the split damage to contend with.
Damage is basically what it deals pre a scaling say a drakekeepers warpick for example has 420 damage and A STR scaling at max AR is what it has post scaling application in this case an AR of 610 with 99STR. Pretty simple really.
Iva Demilcol
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Indeed, we need some coffee, I read your reply yesterday but it was a little too late to reply to you. I must say that one of the things I love about these games is how everyone has different interpretations of the story, that being said whatever I write here is just my interpretation of the lore.
I agree that Nashandra is the first fragment of Manus that took form (it's stated in the game) but I'm not sure she's the first one to set in motion the events that led to Drangleic's demise before her "sisters" would do something similar to other kingdoms, in fact, the DLC shows that that was not the case.
Also, I think the whole "breaking the cycle" thing was not planned by Nashandra, but Vendrick. Vendrick did everything he could to avoid to light the first flame. We know that he harvested the power of the souls of the old ones (Shalquoir and Chancellor Wellager say so) but at some point he abandoned that path and the souls of Nito, Gwyn, etc. merged with other beings after that. I believe that at some point Vendrick realized lighting the first flame would just strengthen the curse ( item descriptions say that when the flames grow stronger, so does the curse). Making the curse stronger would just benefit Nashandra in my opinion, so breaking the cycle wasn't in her interest, in fact, she wants the player to take the throne (and light the first flame, which is located in the kiln of the first flame).
I know we have to be very careful with some of the translations since it's been shown by Vaatividya that there were several errors during the translation of the game. In fact, in the description of the Dragonrider Greatshield it says that Vendrick destroyed inhabitants of the previous land erecting a magnificent kingdom (Drangleic) upon their graves, and I thought that the game made reference to the 3 kingdoms we saw in the DLC, we now know that he actually failed to conquered those 3 kingdoms, and that he attempted to conquer one of them by sending golems, and since the golems were created after he attacked the giants, that lead me to believe that the kingdom Vendrick conquered (the one that was in Drangleic's place) is not the one of the Sunken king, nor the one of the Ivory King or the one of the Old Iron King, or perhaps his forces just couldn't take down the castles/capitals of those kingdoms.
What I do think is lazy is relying on the cycle to keep the story going over and over again, but while I could be totally wrong here, I don't think FromSoft will do that. I believe in the first game we saw the beginning of the very first cycle (alternatively, Gwyn hurling himself into the flames could be the end of the first cycle and what happens in DS one is actually the second cycle), and in DS II we were shown how Vendrick is trying to stop the cycle, but ultimately failing; he needs the power of the other kings and perhaps that is his last resource to get rid of the curse; his forces failed to retrieve the souls/crowns of the previous kings, but you the player succeeded and with the power of 4 kings and his crowns you cannot be taken by the curse at the end; it's totally plausible that Vendrick himself was the closest to achieve that since he actually kept the curse at bay using a powerful soul (according to the game), but in the end, tired and desperate, he just locked himself in the Undead Crypt and sent the Emerald Herald to search for the next monarch, something she couldn't achieve while the king was still sane (and that would explain why she says she failed to break the curse).
I think I agree with you here.
The game says that Elana is a fragment of the abyss, in fact it says that
"When the Abyss dissipated, the things that called it home were fragmented and scattered across the realm. Eventually, these pieces regained form, in ways that hinted at humanity's true nature"
so I think Elana is either a fragment of Manus or something that was born in the abyss and took human form too.
Well, I explained a little bit why I think the ending in the DLC is a happy one. Our character breaks the cycle now that he/she cannot be taken by the curse. If he finds out how to share this power with all humans he may be able to save all of them, of course that's the best scenario, it could also be possible that he cannot transfer this power to others, and he could become the only being capable of Inherit the fire and harness the dark.
After way too many attempts I managed to get the Illusory Ring of a Conqueror. I finally feel like I beat the game. It was pretty smooth sailing overall. I think I was the closest to dying against the group of nobodies at the bottom of the Gutter right before Black Gulch. It's crazy that some skinny hollows do more damage than almost any other enemy in the game.
DarkHeartedKill
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Wait, you did both in the same playthrough? Holy crap that makes it even more rewarding.
Yeah same playthrough. Only touched the majula bonfire at the start and used that as my warp point.
Laurentius
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DarkHeartedKill
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Dark Souls 1 is the best way to Cosplay for Bloodborne anticipation:
Marvelous Chester was the greatest NPC I miss him
.Marvelous Chester was the greatest NPC I miss him
But the greatest npc's costume is in Dark Souls 2.
D
Deleted member 30609
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that was quick! impressive.
Morrigan Stark
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It means they enabled voice chat.
You mean Targray? Yeah, I love that armor. A shame my character can't seem to wear it right
DarkHeartedKill
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Ooo you can use the Majula one? That's a neat note. Did you ever light bonfires or did you leave them unlit so you could Feather back to Majula?
I think you only see it if both of you have voice chat enabled. So if you see it that means they can hear you, just a heads up.
I only lit Majula. You can light them once and thats it cause then youd have to sit at it. If I fucked up and just light some other bonfire out of reflex I would have gone and lit the Things Betwixt one instead. I could have lit the one before the final boss but I was all in. The run back after dying once wouldnt have been hard anyways, since at that point no bonfire is easy.
Orthogonal
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How did you cope with durability loss on that run. No bonfires would make it tricky.
Lots of weapons and repair powder? Even on a new game run you can use the cat in magula to break your weapons to repair them at the blacksmith.
Orochinagis
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You monster
I never needed to use the cat. You could just use a wall.
DarkHeartedKill
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Depends on your SM and your NG to be honest. If you're in NG with a super high SM you're likely not going to be summoned because NG and NG+ are separated for Co-op and Invasions. Also, most people don't summon at high SMs because they can usually solo the fight, depending on the boss. I'd say the best places to co-op would be these. Spoilers of Bosses and what makes them difficult, imo:
Throne Defender/Watcher since the duo can be tricky to fight solo.
Elana since her summoning Valsdet can turn the tides of battle..
Sinh since he does massive weapon durability damage and it can be difficult for melee, Fume Knight since he is relentless and hardly gives you breathing space.
Alonne since he mixes up his attacks form quick to slow and can sometimes be hard to know when to roll.
Old Iron King because that small platform his his tendency to knock people into that lava pool near the fog gate
Burnt Ivory King Since dealing with all the gauntlets plus the boss fight can be overwhelming for some people
The First kitteh Since it's a change form humanoid enemies and it's a lot harder to dodge him, plus he has attacks that get you if you're too close, medium range, and far away. plus he runs away a lot.
Duo kittehs The area itself is good to get summoned in, and the boss is even more likely since one was bad enough, but two? DAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN.
Shrine of Amana That place is a bitch for melee characters, homing soul arrows following you every which way is annoying.
Smelter 2.0The way to him is super irritating, and he is considerably harder than the first Smelter Demon in my opinion.
Elana since her summoning Valsdet can turn the tides of battle..
Sinh since he does massive weapon durability damage and it can be difficult for melee, Fume Knight since he is relentless and hardly gives you breathing space.
Alonne since he mixes up his attacks form quick to slow and can sometimes be hard to know when to roll.
Old Iron King because that small platform his his tendency to knock people into that lava pool near the fog gate
Burnt Ivory King Since dealing with all the gauntlets plus the boss fight can be overwhelming for some people
The First kitteh Since it's a change form humanoid enemies and it's a lot harder to dodge him, plus he has attacks that get you if you're too close, medium range, and far away. plus he runs away a lot.
Duo kittehs The area itself is good to get summoned in, and the boss is even more likely since one was bad enough, but two? DAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN.
Shrine of Amana That place is a bitch for melee characters, homing soul arrows following you every which way is annoying.
Smelter 2.0The way to him is super irritating, and he is considerably harder than the first Smelter Demon in my opinion.
People can change or add to it if they disagree.
i'm at 1.5m in ng. i avoided most optional bosses, didn't place signs and beaten the main game with like <10 deaths. only time i "farmed" was at brighstone cos i have arachnophobia and i don't like the spiders falling off the ceiling at the third bonfire
anyways, i beat
easily tbh but i wanted to try and get summoned to avoid using effigies and nobody was summoning
i barely see any signs to summon either
it's a pity cos the online was one of my favorite aspects about dks2
anyways, i beat
aava
i barely see any signs to summon either
it's a pity cos the online was one of my favorite aspects about dks2
Cannon Goose
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Possibly the Mail Breaker? It's a thrusting sword but the crits were crazy high like other daggers before the patch and its heavy attacks pierce shields. I haven't used it since the patch, so it was possibly nerfed along with the other daggers.
Still a handy weapon to have on you even without the crazy crits.
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Edit: I put my sign down in front of the first boss door in the third DLC and so many people would pick me up and then want to go the other way and try and complete the level. I thought the positioning of my sign would make my intentions obvious but I guess other people don't think that way.
While it doesn't seem affected by the mundane nerf the backstab dmg has been reduced here as well. Not very impressive.
Old whip is the new dagger, as you'd expect (or not).
There's things that deal higher backstab damage than it though?
Cannon Goose
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I'm guessing, but I imagine it's because the Old Whip probably shares the quick punch that the daggers do before a backstab. Greatswords and the like have that slower tap where the character looks like they're hitting the opponent with their elbow. With the quick punch you are able to chase opponents who have rolled away and actually catch them mid-roll with the backstab.
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I nearly shed a tear on the Iron Keep bridge today as a host tried to golf swing me and another phantom over the edge. I got out of the way but the other phantom got hit and he barely left the ground
I will never let Ultra Great weapons die! They have both 'ultra' and 'great' in their names, so they must be good!http://a.pomf.se/lkskyb.webm
Low damage but quite potent backstabs and can't be infused with anything. Got S DEX scaling though and has mytha's moveset with a unique move thrown in .
More potent backstabs than from the Old Whip? Or Dagger -level damage?
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Okay, so I've been thinking about a NG No Bonfire/No Death route, and after some tries how does this sound:
Explorer, Healing Wares
-Grab Resin from behind Ogre
-Majula, light bonfire
-Forest of Giants, buy 1 or 2 Clubs (2 if you can afford it, 1 if you plan to come back after Last Giant) and a couple of Firebombs from Melentia, grab Small Leather Shield and Light Crossbow
Kill Last Giant with Ooze
Kill Pursuer with parryballista
-Lost Bastile, grab the Silver Serpent Ring, Resin and open up the blacksmith for titanite and bullets
Kill Sentinels
-Grab Bracing Knuckle Ring
Kill Lost Sinner and Primal Bonfire to Majula
-Open up Lenigrast, level up so you can use a Rapier later, level Agility to 100, buy Cat Ring
-Heide
Make Dragonrider slip off the platform
-Chat with Licia
Kill Old Dragonslayer for the ring, Bone back to Majula
-Buy a Rapier or a couple, reinforce one as high as you can
-Jump down the well, get to the Rotten
Kill the Rotten with Rapier, Old Leo Ring and some Resin
-Go run through the DLC, get Flynn's Ring and Bone out
(Not sure which is better here: Iron King or Freja)
Kill Skeleton Lords
-Get Oi! Oi! -merchant, grab the free Chunk and stuff
Kill Covetous Demon
-Buy about 15 Oozes from Gilligan
Kill Mytha
-Buy Fragrant Branch if needed, slowly walk through IK
Kill Iron King and Primal back to Majula
-Level up, buy Lifegems and Brightbugs. Upgrade Rapier if you have the mats for it.
-Shaded Woods, grab Chloranthy +1
Kill Najka, Congregation and Freja, Primal back to Majula.
-Level up, upgrade, buy stuff etc.
-Run through Shrine of Winter, light Crossroads bonfire if you think your leveling and items are done, otherwise just keep on trucking. Try to kill the Titanite Bug before Drangleic Castle gates.
Kill the Twins
Kill Mirrorman
-Do not die in goddamn Amana, goddammit, just cheese everything from range if ever possible.
Kill Frog
-Grab Bracing Knuckle Ring +2
Kill Velstadt, use a Brightbug here.
-Get Ring, Bone the hell out of there. Level etc. if you need to, get to Mansion
Kill Guardian
-Take the Shrine slow, get the Mist, Bone out
Kill Giant Lord, take it slow and steady.
-Back to King's Gate
Kill Thronekeepers, Nashandra. Use Brightbugs etc., all buffs you have available.
-Majula, light bonfire
-Forest of Giants, buy 1 or 2 Clubs (2 if you can afford it, 1 if you plan to come back after Last Giant) and a couple of Firebombs from Melentia, grab Small Leather Shield and Light Crossbow
Kill Last Giant with Ooze
Kill Pursuer with parryballista
-Lost Bastile, grab the Silver Serpent Ring, Resin and open up the blacksmith for titanite and bullets
Kill Sentinels
-Grab Bracing Knuckle Ring
Kill Lost Sinner and Primal Bonfire to Majula
-Open up Lenigrast, level up so you can use a Rapier later, level Agility to 100, buy Cat Ring
-Heide
Make Dragonrider slip off the platform
-Chat with Licia
Kill Old Dragonslayer for the ring, Bone back to Majula
-Buy a Rapier or a couple, reinforce one as high as you can
-Jump down the well, get to the Rotten
Kill the Rotten with Rapier, Old Leo Ring and some Resin
-Go run through the DLC, get Flynn's Ring and Bone out
(Not sure which is better here: Iron King or Freja)
Kill Skeleton Lords
-Get Oi! Oi! -merchant, grab the free Chunk and stuff
Kill Covetous Demon
-Buy about 15 Oozes from Gilligan
Kill Mytha
-Buy Fragrant Branch if needed, slowly walk through IK
Kill Iron King and Primal back to Majula
-Level up, buy Lifegems and Brightbugs. Upgrade Rapier if you have the mats for it.
-Shaded Woods, grab Chloranthy +1
Kill Najka, Congregation and Freja, Primal back to Majula.
-Level up, upgrade, buy stuff etc.
-Run through Shrine of Winter, light Crossroads bonfire if you think your leveling and items are done, otherwise just keep on trucking. Try to kill the Titanite Bug before Drangleic Castle gates.
Kill the Twins
Kill Mirrorman
-Do not die in goddamn Amana, goddammit, just cheese everything from range if ever possible.
Kill Frog
-Grab Bracing Knuckle Ring +2
Kill Velstadt, use a Brightbug here.
-Get Ring, Bone the hell out of there. Level etc. if you need to, get to Mansion
Kill Guardian
-Take the Shrine slow, get the Mist, Bone out
Kill Giant Lord, take it slow and steady.
-Back to King's Gate
Kill Thronekeepers, Nashandra. Use Brightbugs etc., all buffs you have available.
Omitted some stuff, but I think that's a good route for it.
I don't know never cared to compare them. With your plan swap out a light for heavy crossbow once you get one.
His voice makes me feel funny inside.
Orochinagis
Member
Lindsey Lohan lol
Yeah, most heavy weapons and such. Daggers are pretty much universally shit now though and Old whip is light and has the fast backstab animation as Cannon Goose pointed out. I haven't really experimented much but I've read some testing and it seems like a good alternative for now. I tried using the umbral dagger on a dex toon but it was disappointing even before the latest patch as far as I can recall.
It's kinda sad how the mundane path has been nerfed to being almost useless, it was an interesting type of infusion and doing a SL 150 mundane character had some tradeoffs but I understand it's broken when everyone just keeps leveling. I think right now there is almost no weapon that is worth infusing with mundane.
Nerfing the golf swing is just baffling.
These patches has done a lot of good but gone to far lately I feel.
Mr. Poolman
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Has been an official statement regarding that weird last update?
Way too big for a trivial and small update as "fixed roll".
Way too big for a trivial and small update as "fixed roll".
Sin bug in the dlc maybe as that was fixed too.
Red Liquorice
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Lohan and Buschemi, I lol'd!
You are missing killing the armorer for his set to get more souls.
DarkHeartedKill
Member
Lost it as Lindy Lohan.
Those hit boxes though...also was anyone else hoping that
when he got Vendrick down really low, Vendrick turns around and OHKs him? Just me?
