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Halo |OT 20| It really does feel like Halo

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DJ Gunner

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Fahzgoolin said:
Probably because they wanted to achieve some level of parity with the Blur cutscenes. That would be my guess.



I realize that might have been a bit rude, but if you are gonna rip some posts out of the context of a conversation, it would have only taken 5 or so minutes to read that one to completion. That was several pages ago. Not a matter of reading for hours, dude.
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It looked to me like the guy read something and wanted to offer his input. And you can't seriously suggest anything in this universe is ever discussed "to completion". The same arguments occur ad nauseum, if they didn't this topic would be about 5 pages long.

And yeah, this forum moves pretty fast. I consistently have to read 5-8 pages worth, with how often I'm able to visit.
 
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Fahzgoolin

Banned
DJ Gunner said:
It looked to me like the guy read something and wanted to offer his input. And you can't seriously suggest anything in this universe is ever discussed "to completion". The same arguments occur ad nauseum, if they didn't this topic would be about 5 pages long.

And yeah, this forum moves pretty fast. I consistently have to read 5-8 pages worth, with how often I'm able to visit.
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AlStrong said:
Man, even first party games can't escape parity clauses.
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Yeah, was a bit rude like I said. I'm sick of the tone and snark on forums in general. "Uh, me" and likening it to Destiny and therefore throwing out all possibilities and then not reading a small conversation to it's entirety.

I think all of this salt in the HaloGaf thread is rubbing off on me. Hopefully it tenderizes my meat and I will come out even more savory than before.

Or maybe I'll turn blue like Cortana
 
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Karl2177

Member
Fahzgoolin said:
I realize that might have been a bit rude, but if you are gonna rip some posts out of the context of a conversation, it would have only taken 5 or so minutes to read that one to completion. That was several pages ago. Not a matter of reading for hours, dude.
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Let's say I go on vacation and I want to reply to something that piques my interest when I get back. It'd be stupid to limit my posts to only things that happened within the last day.

Then again if I go on vacation, HaloGAF is the last thing I want to come back and read, considering there are pages and pages of figuratively shit posts.
 
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Fahzgoolin

Banned
Karl2177 said:
Let's say I go on vacation and I want to reply to something that piques my interest when I get back. It'd be stupid to limit my posts to only things that happened within the last day.

Then again if I go on vacation, HaloGAF is the last thing I want to come back and read, considering there are pages and pages of figuratively shit posts.
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I agree, read my last post. I'll be GAF's Ragnarok for the day. Maybe I'll be featured in Frankie's twitter feed.
 
Onikaan

Onikaan

Member
Ugh. My Headset Adapter for my One controller has stopped working. I've have a few friends they've packed in on too.

First piece of faulty hardward I've had this gen. Chances I'll get this fixed under Warranty?

JUST IN TIME FOR HALO!
 
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Mindwipe

Member
HaleStorm said:
Unless they use some Forerunner technology (magic) to take a new scan of Halsey and try to recombine it with whatever is left of Cortana now, I do not see any feasible way to do this within the lore of the universe.

It seems that they may be going in that direction though with John trying to find Halsey, and possibly going rogue to do so, (Where did she end up again at the end of Spartan Ops?) which would explain why Locke is trying to learn how the Master Chief thinks and is apparently tracking him.
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I could see the out being the time when Cortana sees the Librarian apart from the Chief in Halo 4. We have no idea what the Librarian bot says to her. Nor what happens.

It's entirely possible at that point Cortana is "backed up" and whisked away in some Forerunner systems, and is therefore out there somewhere to save.

I suspect her rampancy won't be cured though, because otherwise the line in Halo 4 about Halsey being necessary to fix it wouldn't be relevant (and being able to fix rampant AIs came out of nowhere, so that felt like quite a big hint).
 
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Woorloog

Banned
Halo 4 doesn't state conclusively that rampancy can be cured, Cortana speculated that Halsey might be able to do it.

I'd rather keep Cortana dead, because sacrifices are meaningless without them being permanent.
 
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HaleStorm

Member
Mindwipe said:
I could see the out being the time when Cortana sees the Librarian apart from the Chief in Halo 4. We have no idea what the Librarian bot says to her. Nor what happens.

It's entirely possible at that point Cortana is "backed up" and whisked away in some Forerunner systems, and is therefore out there somewhere to save.

I suspect her rampancy won't be cured though, because otherwise the line in Halo 4 about Halsey being necessary to fix it wouldn't be relevant (and being able to fix rampant AIs came out of nowhere, so that felt like quite a big hint).
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Forgot about the librarian part. My Halo 4 lore is weak as I have only played that campaign twice. There could be a backup, and I wonder if the plan with Halsey could have been to do some sort of cyber therapy on Cortana to fix her.

I am struggling to remember a reason from the books or other wise that Halsey would have the means to fix cortana though. She was head of a genetic engineering/augmentation program, not AI design... Get her to sneak Cortana into the ONI workload or something? Just make a new AI from Halsey again? I don't see this really going anywhere that makes sense.
 
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Sephzilla

Member
Woorloog said:
Halo 4 doesn't state conclusively that rampancy can be cured, Cortana speculated that Halsey might be able to do it.

I'd rather keep Cortana dead, because sacrifices are meaningless without them being permanent.
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I kind of want then to bring Cortana back simply because the Chief/Cortana dynamic was always one of the big hooks of the campaigns in my opinion. Plus since she's a digital being its a lot easier to explain her return.

Every other death in Halo I'm pretty sure has stuck.
 
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HaleStorm

Member
Woorloog said:
Actually, Halsey does everything. Power armor engineering, bioaugmentantions, slipspace physics, Forerunner language/culture, AI tech, and other stuff...
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That just leads me to believe that she is a jack of all trades, or more of a Project Manager than the the true driving force of the new technologies. She may head the projects, but that does not make her the engineer that actually figured it all out.

Maybe I am nitpicking too much about what one human being would be capable of doing in the real world vs the video game exlpanation of she is a genius, just let it happen.
 
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AlStrong

Member
Sephzilla said:
Fuzzy plasma energy sword > hard crystal energy sword.

The crystal version looks fragile as shit.
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Make it fuzzy again, then 343i can add a hard light forerunner weapon to the sandbox. They can make it completely different by not having lunge and making it purple.


:p
 
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AlStrong

Member
HaleStorm said:
That just leads me to believe that she is a jack of all trades, or more of a Project Manager than the the true driving force of the new technologies. She may head the projects, but that does not make her the engineer that actually figured it all out.

Maybe I am nitpicking too much about what one human being would be capable of doing in the real world vs the video game exlpanation of she is a genius, just let it happen.
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mmm... well she did have her moment of low-level coding in First Strike when she eliminated Ackerson's A.I.

Maybe they'll just explain it away with "geas". :p
 
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HaleStorm

Member
Sephzilla said:
I kind of want then to bring Cortana back simply because the Chief/Cortana dynamic was always one of the big hooks of the campaigns in my opinion. Plus since she's a digital being its a lot easier to explain her return.

Every other death in Halo I'm pretty sure has stuck.
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It would be explainable until you factor in the lore from the books. If you take the books as true, there is no bringing back an AI.

Maybe a situation where the take what is left, or one of her split entities that has not gone fully rampant yet and marry it with another AI that acts as more of a controller? It would basically filter whatever is going in or out of Cortana to try to counter act the rampancy and provide more space for the AI to expand into.

I am really reaching to try to figure out what Halsey could do at this point, but I think that the most logical explanation would be that it has something to do with the times that see has fragmented herself and when she met with the librarian.
 
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Sephzilla

Member
HaleStorm said:
It would be explainable until you factor in the lore from the books. If you take the books as true, there is no bringing back an AI.

Maybe a situation where the take what is left, or one of her split entities that has not gone fully rampant yet and marry it with another AI that acts as more of a controller? It would basically filter whatever is going in or out of Cortana to try to counter act the rampancy and provide more space for the AI to expand into.

I am really reaching to try to figure out what Halsey could do at this point, but I think that the most logical explanation would be that it has something to do with the times that see has fragmented herself and when she met with the librarian.
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Going off of this idea. Halsey makes another Cortana AI off of her brain patterns or whatever they used to make the original. Chief and company find a still living entity of Cortana that's alive in some Forerunner tech or something. They merge the remnants of the original Cortana AI with the new Cortana AI which, effectively, turns the new Cortana into the old Cortana and is "cured" of rampancy.

It would be kind of akin to how they fixed The Doctor from overloading with new algorithms in Star Trek Voyager or how the Star Trek comics managed to resurrect Data from the B4 android in the comics.
 
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HaleStorm

Member
AlStrong said:
mmm... well she did have her moment of low-level coding in First Strike when she eliminated Ackerson's A.I.

Maybe they'll just explain it away with "geas". :p
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I need to go reread this shit now as I am playing to try to do everything in the correct order...

A decade is not a reasonable time frame to consume this much material over and try to remember every detail.

Skipping The Flood this time though. Too boring and too much like the actual game to be interesting.
 
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AlStrong

Member
HaleStorm said:
It would be explainable until you factor in the lore from the books. If you take the books as true, there is no bringing back an AI.

Maybe a situation where the take what is left, or one of her split entities that has not gone fully rampant yet and marry it with another AI that acts as more of a controller? It would basically filter whatever is going in or out of Cortana to try to counter act the rampancy and provide more space for the AI to expand into.
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All this makes me want Joe Staten to write another novel. :(
 
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HaleStorm

Member
Sephzilla said:
Going off of this idea. Halsey makes another Cortana AI off of her brain patterns or whatever they used to make the original. Chief and company find a still living entity of Cortana that's alive in some Forerunner tech or something. They merge the remnants of the original Cortana AI with the new Cortana AI which, effectively, turns the new Cortana into the old Cortana and is "cured" of rampancy.

It would be kind of akin to how they fixed The Doctor from overloading with new algorithms in Star Trek Voyager or how the Star Trek comics managed to resurrect Data from the B4 android in the comics.
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If I remember correctly though, when she fragmented she was not simply carving off cpu cycles with full copies of her information though, she was carving off actuall pieces, like AI version of an arm go do this, AI version of a foot go do this, etc. This would mean that what ever is built would be based on a small section of her without all of her knowledge. that could be interesting.

Unless the librarian had a method to make a duplicate, or if Cortana surrendered most of her consciousness to her because she knew it was her only hope to avoid her impending fate.

I could be totally wrong though, someone here should be able to correct me.
 
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Woorloog

Banned
HaleStorm said:
That just leads me to believe that she is a jack of all trades, or more of a Project Manager than the the true driving force of the new technologies. She may head the projects, but that does not make her the engineer that actually figured it all out.

Maybe I am nitpicking too much about what one human being would be capable of doing in the real world vs the video game exlpanation of she is a genius, just let it happen.
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A scientist who can do anything is quite typical, and stupid, trope in scifi.
Halsey is one of the most clear-cut examples.
 
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Sephzilla

Member
HaleStorm said:
If I remember correctly though, when she fragmented she was not simply carving off cpu cycles with full copies of her information though, she was carving off actuall pieces, like AI version of an arm go do this, AI version of a foot go do this, etc. This would mean that what ever is built would be based on a small section of her without all of her knowledge. that could be interesting.

Unless the librarian had a method to make a duplicate, or if Cortana surrendered most of her consciousness to her because she knew it was her only hope to avoid her impending fate.

I could be totally wrong though, someone here should be able to correct me.
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Just graph Cortana's digital arm to new Cortana's digital arm and then old Cortana can take over.

It worked in Metal Gear Solid 2.
 
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Fuchsdh

Member
HaleStorm said:
That just leads me to believe that she is a jack of all trades, or more of a Project Manager than the the true driving force of the new technologies. She may head the projects, but that does not make her the engineer that actually figured it all out.

Maybe I am nitpicking too much about what one human being would be capable of doing in the real world vs the video game exlpanation of she is a genius, just let it happen.
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I don't think the implication ever was. She's a scientist at the end of the day, and AIs are essentially one of her specialities (along with the Forerunner). She wasn't Tony Stark, building the MJOLNIR armor in a cave; she's had engineering teams doing work for her. She obviously knows enough that she's involved with stuff like Infinity's engines, but I don't think the idea is she knows everything about everything.

Halo 4 is the first place they introduce the idea that since Cortana was created differently fro other AIs and is more advanced, the same limitations might not apply; Halsey mentions a "recessive variant", which could tie into the Librarian's meddling, or it could apply more generally that Halsey, unwittingly, cracked a code of sorts. We know that while Forerunner AIs can go rampant, they don't seem to face that as a function of lifespan; maybe that's what the Didact means by calling Cortana an "evolved ancilla".

Cortana, meanwhile, posits that since her "brain" still exists in the form of Halsey, as opposed to being created from dead donor brains, there might be an option for repair not possible to other AIs.

One other tidbit—there's a bit of Halsey's logs on Composer where she notes that said Composer actually bears a lot of resemblance to the UNSC's AI matrix compiler, which she designed. So it could just be the UNSC made a technical leap forward and that they just haven't realized they have a solution.

With this speculation in mind, I wonder if this means Black Box might not go rampant either, since he's a later AI after Cortana.

HTupolev said:
The best part is when she also acts like a total dumbass for cheap drama i.e. Sword Base cutscene.
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How does she act like a dumbass? She's a little pissed off that someone's been making lite versions of her Spartans. Her reaction seems pretty understandable, especially when she knows the mistake Noble Team has made.
 
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HTupolev

Member
Fuchsdh said:
How does she act like a dumbass? She's a little pissed off that someone's been making lite versions of her Spartans. Her reaction seems pretty understandable, especially when she knows the mistake Noble Team has made.
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She chews Noble Team out for not acting on knowledge that she knows they didn't have. Which Carter points out.
 
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BigShow36

Member
Onikaan said:
I'm convinced there are a bunch of people here that don't actually like Halo.
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Depends on what you mean by "Halo."

I like less than 50% of Halo games, so in that regard I guess I don't "like" Halo. However, one Halo game essentially defines competitive console play for me, and I am enamored with what Halo should and could be again. For me, it has essentially been a decade of frustratingly wasted potential when it comes to Halo. Its a love/hate relationship.
 
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HaleStorm

Member
Fuchsdh said:
I don't think the implication ever was. She's a scientist at the end of the day, and AIs are essentially one of her specialities (along with the Forerunner). She wasn't Tony Stark, building the MJOLNIR armor in a cave; she's had engineering teams doing work for her. She obviously knows enough that she's involved with stuff like Infinity's engines, but I don't think the idea is she knows everything about everything.

Halo 4 is the first place they introduce the idea that since Cortana was created differently fro other AIs and is more advanced, the same limitations might not apply; Halsey mentions a "recessive variant", which could tie into the Librarian's meddling, or it could apply more generally that Halsey, unwittingly, cracked a code of sorts. We know that while Forerunner AIs can go rampant, they don't seem to face that as a function of lifespan; maybe that's what the Didact means by calling Cortana an "evolved ancilla".

Cortana, meanwhile, posits that since her "brain" still exists in the form of Halsey, as opposed to being created from dead donor brains, there might be an option for repair not possible to other AIs.

One other tidbit—there's a bit of Halsey's logs on Composer where she notes that said Composer actually bears a lot of resemblance to the UNSC's AI matrix compiler, which she designed. So it could just be the UNSC made a technical leap forward and that they just haven't realized they have a solution.

With this speculation in mind, I wonder if this means Black Box might not go rampant either, since he's a later AI after Cortana.



How does she act like a dumbass? She's a little pissed off that someone's been making lite versions of her Spartans. Her reaction seems pretty understandable, especially when she knows the mistake Noble Team has made.
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Having a living Halsey brain available would make a type of thereputic repair of cortana make sense and is one of the ideas that I would sort of be behind.

Somehow I missed that part about the composer, Halo 4 happened while I was deployed so I missed out on a lot there, so I am going to blame that. Being able to digitiz/decompile/backup/sequence what is left of cortana using the composer/compiler would make sense, and then just building/grafting/copying to a new core, but at this point isn't Cortana DEAD dead?
 
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Booshka

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BigShow36 said:
Depends on what you mean by "Halo."

I like less than 50% of Halo games, so in that regard I guess I don't "like" Halo. However, one Halo game essentially defines competitive console play for me, and I am enamored with what Halo should and could be again. For me, it has essentially been a decade of frustratingly wasted potential when it comes to Halo. Its a love/hate relationship.
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Yep, in 10 Days it will be the 10 Year Anniversary of Halo's slow, unstoppable decline.

Then 2 days after that most of that will hopefully be redeemed.
 
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Fahzgoolin

Banned
HaleStorm said:
That just leads me to believe that she is a jack of all trades, or more of a Project Manager than the the true driving force of the new technologies. She may head the projects, but that does not make her the engineer that actually figured it all out.

Maybe I am nitpicking too much about what one human being would be capable of doing in the real world vs the video game exlpanation of she is a genius, just let it happen.
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I think we all just need to...

LET IT GO!! LET IT GOOOOO!!

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GringoSuave89

Banned
Everytime I'm gone for a period of time, all hell breaks loose.

I thought Halsey's Journal mentioned that she created several copies of Cortana? Am I remembering correctly?
 
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