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From what I understand, yes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/profiles/4PDTC3lmgVKN04zW4cgfpZb/milo-yiannopoulos

He’s been called a ‘rising star of the right’ by The Spectator, ‘the pit-bull of tech media’ by The Observer, ‘digital media’s Citizen Kane’ by Forbes magazine and a ‘cynical, ignorant f******’ by Stephen Fry.

 

[Ayt]

I personally think it is obvious that he asked to have his account temporarily suspended so that he could become a professional victim.

 

[Rats Off To Ya]

So Dragon Age: Inquisition reviews are imminent, and they're expected to be glowing. How long before the Gaters accuse journos of preferential treatment due to the sexually diverse cast?

 

[Galactic Fork]

This is a response to something several pages back, by somebody responding to something several pages before that, but because Pepboy was nice enough to alert me to the response, I felt I should respond back, though I haven't been posting as much since my work finally blocked Neogaf again (it was a sad sad night), and I've been distracted by finally getting around to playing KOTOR.

Anyway, here goes.

I edited the Knack case, thank you! I think the fact that there are no women at all, or especially games without characters, does not diminish the fact they they are games without the tropes. Another way to say that is that these are still options of games which, by not representing human characters, do not misrepresent women. I still consider them games, however.

"I still consider them games." Of course they're games. But this whole bit reads seriously like "If girls don't like how games about actual people portray women, they can just go play games without women." This is completely counter productive to the actual discussion going on.

I am critiquing the critique. I'm not sure what you mean by "critiquing the tone" when I am critiquing specific segments of the critique. Words like "dangerously irresponsible" have meaning and I am critiquing whether those games are, as she claims, dangerously irresponsible. I'm not sure what "critiquing the tone" would mean in this context. If by tone you mean "specific segments and the reasoning behind them" then sure, I am critiquing the tone. But I'm not sure what critique would not be "critiquing the tone" then.

Critiquing argument: This is not dangerously irresponsible because...(reasons it's not dangerously irresponsible.
Critiquing tone: She shouldn't use words like "dangerously irresponsible" because ...

You see? She gave reasons on why it is dangerously irresponsible... That whole games where you "fix" the women you're rescuing by beating them until they're more agreeable thing.

You just don't want her to use the words dangerously irresponsible because you think it's censory. That is what a tone argument is. It doesn't mean words stop having meaning, it's just that you don't like the way she made her argument.

Then you put in quotes from earlier posts to show how you weren't using a tone argurment.

Quote 1:

It is the reasoning and word usage that makes me question whether it is an attempt to limiting artistic freedom -- if it is a personal opinion and justified as such "I hate leaps of faith and here's why", that's fine. Even if she had said "I believe they are irresponsibly dangerous" I would fully support Anita's statement and don't see it as limiting artistic freedom, just expressing her opinion. But it was the specific to the word usage "It should go without saying that [games that employ this trope] are irresponsibly dangerous".

The reality is that it should not go without saying. It seems incredibly specific and while I have found good evidence to suggest media portrayals influence or can cause negative or positive outcomes, the size of those impacts and the specificity of the issue requires more research. One downside is that "research" is always imperfect and we have to make judgement calls, but it does not "go without saying" if you are trying to prove a specific issue is irresponsibly dangerous. Ideally I would prefer see specific magnitudes of similar phenomena so we can better judge whether this instance is a societal issue / dangerously irresponsible or whether it is one person's opinion the game is dangerously irresponsible.

Notice the bolded? You're not disagreeing with her argument, you just don't like the tone of it. A tone argument is basically "If you'd have just said it this way, I might totally be on your side, buuuut you said it that way..."

I'm not sure why you decided to stop reading at that line. The very next sentence explains what the difference between X and Y are and how it relates to censorship. Let me quote it again for you

And simply disagreeing with something is in no way censorship. But if a bunch of local parents got together and demanded certain books be removed from a library because they disagree with it, that might fall under censorship. The debate is whether the terminology used is one that is trying to stop production of games -- as I discuss in depth in other posts, I feel "it goes without saying that [games with this trope] are dangerously irresponsible" does imply a moral or societal responsibility that creators have, one that I disagree with.

In other words, censorship and disagreement can share similar arguments. The difference is the implication -- does the disagreement extend to removing or stopping the object / action of debate?

But your second example wasn't about terminology... It was explicitly censorship. They actively removed material via a government body. I have no problem saying that Sarkeesian's appealing to a moral or societal responsibility she hopes the creators have... And she hopes they'll listen and not make them... But let me make this clear. The creators have exactly as much freedom to listen to her as they do to ignore her. And suggesting that they are being censored or had their "freedom limited" if they agree and change their behavior is not a good argument. And that is what you're doing. You are saying if creators agree and choose not to make games where you beat the woman you're rescuing in order to fix her, then their freedom is being limited.

If I said "Cheese isn't good, it tastes terrible!" I would be disagreeing. If I said "Cheese isn't good, it is dangerously irresponsible" that could be a call for censorship through a moral claim. It doesn't matter whether she has the power or not to enact it and of course she has every right to claim it as such, but I am going to disagree with that claim.

But you have to look at the argument... If you just said it's dangerously irresponsible, I'd want to know why you say so. I wouldn't say you saying that limits freedom. Now, perhaps your local population has a very high occurrence of dairy allergy. So if in the context of a discussion about frequency of serving meals with cheese in it... and you wrote an article appealing to restaurants... and maybe you dared used the words they are being dangerously irresponsible to have so many cheese dishes in this area, maybe the restauranteurs might see your point and change their menus. I would never claim you were censoring restaurants.

Good questions. I think a book describing how to torture people in excruciating detail would fall under a moral responsibility; maybe anything else calling for a direct action. If a video game said "hey you get 100 XP for every time you beat up a real person and film it!" I would also say that's dangerously irresponsible. I think the bar is much higher for "indirect" actions. None of the games she mentioned directly call for a player to attack a real human, therefore the connection is that the games change the viewers beliefs and then these cause an outcome. I would not charge JD Salinger with murder nor do I consider Catcher in the Rye "dangerously irresponsible".

So there is a limit.

No. It is my personal belief that they do not, hence the disagreement, but it is not anyone's responsibility to tell them that.

But in your opinion, expressing that creators should have a moral responsibility is = to indicative of censorship... Well at least to the limit you've decided on.

The specific quote wasn't "I encourage you to consider whether these are views you wish to portray" or "I believe it's socially irresponsible" but rather "It should go without saying [these games featuring this trope] are dangerously irresponsible ..." which is the statement I am disagreeing with. As I've said multiple times, I enjoy the videos generally and this is one of the few problems I have with them.


So I am disagreeing with the claim they are dangerously irresponsible; or at least that it does not "go without saying" that they are so. You asked me specifically what I found disagreeable with feminist critiques in video games, I answered. I don't understand your confusion that I answered your question.



As I've already mentioned, I am generally on board with the "dangerous" claim -- I've already mentioned that, on average, these portrayals seem to have some negative outcomes. I am primarily disagreeing with the claim that they are "irresponsible". I don't think the brewer of alcohol should be responsible for a drunk driver when drunk driving is illegal. I don't think the creator of a video game should be responsible for adults committing violence (against women or anyone) when violence against anyone is generally illegal.

The tropes might be dangerous, but their creation or creators are not irresponsible. For now I believe that responsibility lies with the person committing the act, not the creators of entertainment. I personally have not created anything with those portrayals nor do I intend to.

You seem to be interpreting that she believes that creators should be "held accountable" for it... She never said that. She doesn't want them arrested. She doesn't want them dragged out of their homes. She is simply saying that doing so contributes to an environment that already has too much of what that imagery invokes. So she used strong language and implied there "should" (not must) be a moral responsibility so that they might think twice before they make the woman you're saving fixed by beating her the hell up. They have just as much right to ignore as listen.

 

[freddy]

Found this on the KiA subreddit. If any of you have twitter consider retweeting them. You can retweet all 3:

Based Intel is doing a twitter charity where they give a $1 for every retweet to a charity for coding.

https://twitter.com/IntelSoftware/status/531875946912288768

https://twitter.com/IntelSoftware/status/531876250521194497

https://twitter.com/IntelSoftware/status/531876404435369984

Edit: Here's the Intel page if you want to read more about it: https://software.intel.com/sites/android-field-guide/#7

 

[Corpekata]

So Dragon Age: Inquisition reviews are imminent, and they're expected to be glowing. How long before the Gaters accuse journos of preferential treatment due to the sexually diverse cast?

I saw a KiA thread saying that pretty much a week ago.

 

[jgminto]

"The fuck is a pansexual!? SJWs ruinin mah vidya games!"

 

[Alien Bob]

So David Rosen found out about my Adam Baldwin game and sent me a friend request on Facebook. I've finally found my in with the indie illuminati.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Found this on the KiA subreddit. If any of you have twitter consider retweeting them. You can retweet all 3:



Edit: Here's the Intel page if you want to read more about it: https://software.intel.com/sites/android-field-guide/#7

Kind of disgusting that GG is trying to hijack it for visibility, but the charity's cause is sound

 

[Neoriceisgood]

Cut that Americentrism shit out, please.

I see enough of that tripe on Reddit. The notion that the US is a heterogeneous group of culturally different states, and that somehow Europe is made up of homogeneous countries with broadly similar cultures.

Using your example of Spain, this one nation has more cultural difference that the US itself. It's a political entity (that until 1975 was under a fascist dictatorship, only became a democracy in 1982, and still has internal terrorism) made up of culturally distinct groups, with their own histories, which speak separate languages, and many of which want independence from each other.

Hi! I'm from Euope. I was pointing out how European countries are very different, and the same rule of thumb can be used for quite a number of states. (though differences in Europe I wager are still far more extreme & decentralized.)

I think you're reversing my point entirely if you think I was calling France & Spain extremely similar.

 

[Ty4on]

Yeah but looking at the gamergate issue the swatting, the harrasment and the use of the word misogyny, it seems so insane to me living in a country were the three highest positions of government are held by women.

Feminist are hardly taken seriously here we even have a law for equal pay which they hated and called the government women haters because the feminist did not want to have a law for equal pay.

I live in Norway btw

Nice generalization of feminists when we had a feminist party* in office for eight years, but not we don't have equal pay. We have equal pay for equal work, but women still make just ~85% of what men make.

*Norwegian link

 

[chaobreaker]

So David Rosen found out about my Adam Baldwin game and sent me a friend request on Facebook. I've finally found my in with the indie illuminati.

Soon you'll be an IGF judge and be giving shill payments to all us GAFers.

 

[WARP10CK]

Nice generalization of feminists when we had a feminist party* in office for eight years, but not we don't have equal pay. We have equal pay for equal work, but women still make just ~85% of what men make.

*Norwegian link

A feminist party that voters left in droves and some people accused of ruining the government coalition.

 

[HarryHengst]

Political parties claiming to support a certain ideology but instead not doing that?! Shocking.

 

[VibratingDonkey]

Guess who's back?

 

[Dio]

So we finally had that lecture that touched on Gamergate.

Didn't record it cause I didn't have my phone, but I have notes here:

- Do game companies have ethical standards (Gamergate & Zoe Quinn)
- Games themselves concern sexuality, violence, marketing and monetization; a personal anecdote regarding a mobile game developer who was really good at squeezing money out of 10 year olds, or their parent's money, and how bad he felt about it
- 'We've had visits from industry, and then a student posted 'Well, that was boring' on Twitter...they were interviewed 2 years later by one of those companies, and it was a very embarrassing interview' - in short, be careful of what you decide to say and post online
- Didn't go into the history of Gamergate or into too much detail because of the time and not being the central focus, but summed it up as 'misogynists hating women'
- "What people are like and what they will do" - Gamergate being a prime example of some of the things you'll have to deal with when working in the industry, more of a crystallized example than anything. Death threats are very common.
- Gave the 2,000 developers signing that open letter praise.
- Segued into the issues of ethics in game development; 'having been there when Tomb Raider was created, the idea that Lara Croft was somehow a strong female character and a feminist icon was very patronizing'
- Next on the list; 'Is censorship inherently wrong?'
- "Examining books, films and other material to remove or suppress what's morally, politically or otherwise objectionable"
- Stressed to not confuse this with 'state censorship' - most people think of state censorship when thinking of the word, instead of self, peer or parental censorship
-Examples:
1. Most parents would accept that a 3 year old child should not watch a "hardcore" horror movie or pornography (parental censorship)
2. Most people would agree that slap-happy movies are morally reprehensible, and choose to not watch them (self censorship)
3. Creators feeling pressured to not make a product due to the possible ethical concerns regarding it (peer censorship)

This went into a whole discussion on ethics in designing a game, but the gist of the entire thing was just ethics in the industry, not just a look at Gamergate. This tied in with games like Manhunt and the like, and how a student wanted to make a game about child abuse at one point and spoke to a lecturer who had just had a kid about it. The main question is, 'why' do you want to make that game?

 

[Ty4on]

Political parties claiming to support a certain ideology but instead not doing that?! Shocking.

They weren't the only party in office, but did lose a lot of voters for not holding their promises and dropped like a rock just after entering the first term when many promises weren't held.

Our politics in general are getting polarized with the labor and conservative party growing and the only major party other than those two is the anti immigration party. The fourth biggest party got 5.6% of the votes last election.

Edit: last post on this. I know it's off topic.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

That guy on reddit getting called out for pretending to be black is the funniest thing I've seen all week.

Wait, wait, wait. What? Can I have a link?

Edit: Nevermind, found it. Sorry

 

[Fantastapotamus]

So Dragon Age: Inquisition reviews are imminent, and they're expected to be glowing. How long before the Gaters accuse journos of preferential treatment due to the sexually diverse cast?

Yeah, as every other Bioware game, they seem to handle sexuality extremly well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiJYrtbTYMY

Spoiler

I kinda wish Bioware would just stop doing that. I enjoyed the romance in Kotor more cause the height of it was a kiss.

Edit: Sorry I meant to edit my above post :/
Not my brightest day

 

[jgminto]

Guess who's back?

Oh joy...

 

[cerulily]

Found this on the KiA subreddit. If any of you have twitter consider retweeting them. You can retweet all 3:



Edit: Here's the Intel page if you want to read more about it: https://software.intel.com/sites/android-field-guide/#7

I enjoy the disappointment they'll have years down the line when these women also want proper representation in the games industry that they're now more likely to be part of thanks to individuals whom generally hates pushes for equal representation.

 

[crimsonheadGCN]

So Milo was banned because of the new reporting tool by WAM!

GG found out that a college was going to have a discussion about GemerGate and Gender, Race, and the Politics of Inclusion in Gaming. GGers didn't like it and now posting on the Facebook page for it

https://www.facebook.com/events/377949569038590/?ref=3&ref_newsfeed_story_type=regular

 

[The Technomancer]

So Milo was banned because of the new reporting tool by WAM!



GG found out that a college was going to have a discussion about GemerGate and Gender, Race, and the Politics of Inclusion in Gaming. GGers didn't like it and now posting on the Facebook page for it

https://www.facebook.com/events/377949569038590/?ref=3&ref_newsfeed_story_type=regular

Oof thats frustrating to read haha

 

[Neoriceisgood]

Any of you guys born as non-gamers? (I don't even fucking know anymore..)

 

[Baron von Loathsome]

Any of you guys born as non-gamers? (I don't even fucking know anymore..)

They're like walking strawmen at this point.

 

[More_Badass]

Any of you guys born as non-gamers? (I don't even fucking know anymore..)

What the fuck does that even mean? Do these people think being a gamer is a genetic biological trait or somethig equally insane?

 

[Deleted member 126221]

https://www.facebook.com/events/377949569038590/?ref=3&ref_newsfeed_story_type=regular[/url]

I can't believe some of these people are willing to post these terrible comments with their real names and pictures. I kinda "get" that they're not afraid of being assholes on Twitter as they're "anonymous", but on Facebook with your full name and face? Wow.

This is gonna bite them in the ass so hard, especially if some of them want to get into the gaming industry.

 

[FrontalMonk]

What the fuck does that even mean? Do these people think being a gamer is a genetic biological trait or somethig equally insane?

Pretty sure it's just trolling to get a rise out of people at this point.

 

[aspiegamer]

This is... interesting. Major Japanese gaming site weighing in.
http://www.4gamer.net/games/036/G003691/20141107133/

For some reason a Google translate of it is exceptionally impossible to read. After reading it a few times and taking some liberties in assuming similar meanings of words were they originally spoken in native English, it's actual goes out of its way to be "balanced". It offers more on the "pro" end than you might expect, though it's via an attempt to make a statement of fact and not digging into opinion.

Some thoughts seem to include 1) The initial claims against Kotaku etc al were proven false, 2) GameJournoPros is a sign of larger problems and distrust in gaming media but are not automatically up to no good, 3) The gender warring is killing any chance of positive change, 4) Gender issues in the US are seriously fucked up with some seriously fucked up people involved, and 5) This sucks for basically everyone, period.

There's some content on crowd funding things and the main women involved where the translation is such a mess that I won't even pretend to say I know what's going on. Again, this is an oddly poor performance from the Google scripts. It does, hilariously, translate "#GamerGate" and similar terms in a lot of different ways. "#GamerGate" for the literal name, "gamers gate", "games Gator", "Gamers Gator", "Gamers Gaiter" and probably a few others. It even explains why we use -Gate for everything!

 

[More_Badass]

Pretty sure it's just trolling to get a rise out of people at this point.

At this point, going by the rationale seen on KiA and Twitter, I honestly wouldn't assume that.

 

[Stardust_Comet]

Any of you guys born as non-gamers? (I don't even fucking know anymore..)

I actually don't think that post was serious. It seemed like it was trolling.

However, do you know what the other comments on that page were saying? I want to know about the context of the word transgamer here. If only that one person said it, then it's just trolling. But if other commenters where using it as a serious term, then I don't even know anymore.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

This is... interesting. Major Japanese gaming site weighing in.
http://www.4gamer.net/games/036/G003691/20141107133/

For some reason a Google translate of it is exceptionally impossible to read. After reading it a few times and taking some liberties in assuming similar meanings of words were they originally spoken in native English, it's actual goes out of its way to be "balanced". It offers more on the "pro" end than you might expect, though it's via an attempt to make a statement of fact and not digging into opinion.

Some thoughts seem to include 1) The initial claims against Kotaku etc al were proven false, 2) GameJournoPros is a sign of larger problems and distrust in gaming media but are not automatically up to no good, 3) The gender warring is killing any chance of positive change, 4) Gender issues in the US are seriously fucked up with some seriously fucked up people involved, and 5) This sucks for basically everyone, period.

There's some content on crowd funding things and the main women involved where the translation is such a mess that I won't even pretend to say I know what's going on. Again, this is an oddly poor performance from the Google scripts. It does, hilariously, translate "#GamerGate" and similar terms in a lot of different ways. "#GamerGate" for the literal name, "gamers gate", "games Gator", "Gamers Gator", "Gamers Gaiter" and probably a few others. It even explains why we use -Gate for everything!

Yeah, I definitely wouldn't try to go off of a Google translate of this.

The article is relatively objective (in the actual sense of the word) in it's assessment of the actual events at the core, and the writer even has enough honesty to admit that harassment is obviously wrong, but that there were preexisting problems with the discrepancy in information between gaming media and consumers, and with relationships between devs, pubs, and media. He also says that the American perspective on gender discrimination is more sensitive than the Japanese one, that pretty much any news surrounding Gamergate is bad, and that the situation is one to keep an eye on.

The perspective on the GameJournoPros thing is iffy since Japanese game media aren't included and he basically says "It seems like they have a lot of influence and spoke about how to influence trends, which if true, is troubling."

Would have been more interesting if he touched on the gender discrimination in the Japanese game industry and the rampant Famitsu level game media corruption

 

[The Technomancer]

Any of you guys born as non-gamers? (I don't even fucking know anymore..)

This has got to be someone taking the piss right?

 

[Neoriceisgood]

I actually don't think that post was serious. It seemed like it was trolling.

However, do you know what the other comments on that page were saying? I want to know about the context of the word transgamer here. If only that one person said it, then it's just trolling. But if other commenters where using it as a serious term, then I don't even know anymore.

This has got to be someone taking the piss right?

I don't know the context, but I'm really fucking scared by the fact that I can't even tell if it's a parody. :C

 

[Mael]

They're like walking strawmen at this point.

I don't know tinmen is more appropriate, I mean if we could only solve this by giving them all a heart...

 

[Mesoian]

It sounds like, if Gamergate was ever actually going to be about ethics in games journalism, their first major firing point will be revealed in just over an hour.

What's the over-under that they ignore it completely in order to talk about how terrible women are some more?

 

[Wiseblood]

So just curious, does Gamergate give a shit at all about the Assassin's Creed: Unity embargo bullshit?

 

[bodyofanamerican]

Really wonder if the WAM reporting tool is going to do more harm than good. Turns it into a "feminists policing speech" argument vs. a "women are getting the shit harassed out of them on Twitter" argument.

While I agree with WAM on the merits, I think Twitter's overall inaction on harassment and building out proper tools is the root problem. Their negligence has created the space for a (perceived or not) ideological group to take the reigns on this, when Twitter moderation should be an ostensibly objective process.

 

[Mesoian]

So just curious, does Gamergate give a shit at all about the Assassin's Creed: Unity embargo bullshit?

Dunno yet. That's what I'm talking about.

I know games journalists are about to cut into that game like a Christmas goose.

Really wonder if the WAM reporting tool is going to do more harm than good. Turns it into a "feminists policing speech" argument vs. a "women are getting the shit harassed out of them on Twitter" argument.

While I agree with WAM on the merits, I think Twitter's overall inaction on harassment and building out proper tools is the root problem. Their negligence has created the space for a (perceived or not) ideological group to take the reigns on this, when Twitter moderation should be an ostensibly objective process.

I agree with what you're saying, but for real, WHAT TWITTER MODERATION?!?
Blocking an account that breaks TOS after thousands of people report it is not moderation. That's a failure of a system.

 

[andymcc]

So just curious, does Gamergate give a shit at all about the Assassin's Creed: Unity embargo bullshit?

you see, they're not targeting the BIG publishers because the issues aren't as transparent there...

 

[bodyofanamerican]

Dunno yet. That's what I'm talking about.

I know games journalists are about to cut into that game like a Christmas goose.


I agree with what you're saying, but for real, WHAT TWITTER MODERATION?!?
Blocking an account that breaks TOS after thousands of people report it is not moderation. That's a failure of a system.

Completely agree. For a service/platform that's struggling with investors and ostensibly users, their A1 priority should be providing a safe/secure/stress free environment, not the wild west of people yelling at each other.

And to kind of restate my point, I would change my wording to be "any hypothetical Twitter moderation would be initiated by them and be completely objective".

 

[partyphone]

So just curious, does Gamergate give a shit at all about the Assassin's Creed: Unity embargo bullshit?

right now all i see on the HT are ironic tweets making fun of gamergate for this. but it's still early so maybe they'll catch on?

Spoiler

lol

 

[Mesoian]

right now all i see on the HT are ironic tweets making fun of gamergate for this. but it's still early so maybe they'll catch on?

Spoiler

lol

I mean, we'll know by Noon.

It sounds like the Games Culture - o - sphere is about to explode with a timer set squarely for 12pm EST.

 

[jstripes]

So just curious, does Gamergate give a shit at all about the Assassin's Creed: Unity embargo bullshit?

Why would they be upset with coverage of a game they like?

(Unless someone gives it a 7.8, of course.)

 

[bodyofanamerican]

I mean, we'll know by Noon.

It sounds like the Games Culture - o - sphere is about to explode with a timer set squarely for 12pm EST.

Looking back through the thread, not sure I'm getting what we should be looking for with Unity. Is it supposed to be terrible, and reviewers are going to tear into it starting at noon?

 

[Mesoian]

Looking back through the thread, not sure I'm getting what we should be looking for with Unity. Is it supposed to be terrible, and reviewers are going to tear into it starting at noon?

So, here's the skinny, and this is what GamerGate has been waiting for, hands wringing, if they actually wanted to break away from focusing on female figures in games to actually rallying against a real problem.

Ubisoft's press embargo, the thing you sign that says you won't talk about a game until a certain date, ends at 12pm EST today. They started selling the game at midnight last night. That means that Ubisoft gets their preorder money automatically without any publications being able to weight in, in any way shape or form until 12 hours after it was on sale. And now it looks like the game may be completely broken, or unplayable, or something, we don't know, we can't be told for another hour. But people are being real abstract in saying "If you haven't been charged for Unity yet, cancel your preorders now," which is something I have NEVER SEEN.

THIS is an actual ethics in games journalism problem and everyone is ready to tear Ubisoft a new one over this. This is what Gamergate has been waiting for, a real scandal that everyone is getting in on, and this is their chance to prove to the world that they actually do care what's happening in the world of games, and isn't just a female focused hate group.

Of course, that's if they do anything regarding this.

 

[partyphone]

thing is gamergaters are already pre-disposed to be defensive of ubisoft because of how much flak they got for not having playable female characters in their multimillion dollar co-op game.

 

[Alien Bob]

So, here's the skinny, and this is what GamerGate has been waiting for, hands wringing, if they actually wanted to break away from focusing on female figures in games to actually rallying against a real problem.

<snip>

Of course, that's if they do anything regarding this.

 

[bodyofanamerican]

Appreciate the background on Unity. Assuming there's been a bit of Twitter sniping from reviewers on how terrible it is?

 

[jstripes]

Appreciate the background on Unity. Assuming there's been a bit of Twitter sniping from reviewers on how terrible it is?

I wonder if this is why Jade Raymond suddenly left Ubisoft Toronto. Get out before the shit hits the fan?