7DollarHagane
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I wish I had a ton of copies of this to flip
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3DS HOMEBREW Discussion Thread [exploits/carts/applications/games]
- Thread starter Dash Kappei
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GreatestHits
Member
Can we have a moment of silence for this? I really hope Nintendo goes with the flow on this one, and doesn't come back with an iron shield. I think they are making money off of this
So Nintendo won't be affected in a meaningful way, yet they'll also have pressure put on them to improve their emulation offerings? I don't think you can have both.
iamaustrian
Member
extremly few people are doing this though or even know how to do it.
99% are just downloading roms( or even worse: complete rom sets) from warez sites
it's a pity
Its apparently using the QR code scanner in the level editor in the game. Its utilized to create a buffer overflow which points to a homebrew file on the SD card, loading it.
It has been possible to run unsigned code using the Gateway flashcard for several months already. You can even update the 3DS using a virtual NAND on the SD card, but you need FW 4.5 for the initial exploit. It won't help much in exploiting a firmware without known exploits.
captmcblack
Member
They would patch the game, but retain whatever feature is in it that allows it to make custom levels and trade them via QR code? I'm sure this is possible in a hypothetical, anything is possible sense...but is it actually possible to both maintain the advertised full retail functionality that both users (to buy and own the physical release) and Ubisoft (to publish, certify and gain official physical/digital retail license to distribute) paid for, and patch the hole on load?
If there was a way to do that without compromising the game in advertised/paid functionality, that'd definitely be the way to do it.
deltatheta
Member
They could just release a firmware update that prevents the game from launching unless you have the patch installed. And not having the original development team isn't really that big of an obstacle to developing a patch. Programmers debug programs without access to the source code all the time.
Yeah, on the other hand they might not bother because the damage is relatively contained, thanks to the limited quantities of the exploitable game.
They don't need a major change to close the exploit. The game is using an unsafe memory copy function call, Nintendo would only need to find out where it's located in the game's binary and replace it with a jump to a function that doesn't write outside of bounds.
stan423321
Member
It's not that simple. 3DS is no Wii, and even on Wii I think patching Smash Stack is possible. On 3DS all games supposedly run under an actual, if minimal, operating system, so they can actually patch the behavior of the game to a certain degree by changing code on their side.
Starwolf_UK
Member
Posted in the other thread but belongs here too:
I guess it was a shock to him...https://twitter.com/smealum/status/534771433373585409 said:
my gamestop couldnt fulfill my hold order, I bet someone else got in on it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T2GmGSNvaM&t=40s
Apparently the latest firmwares are hacked as well and those hacks will be released soon.
AlexMeloche
Member
Ahah, I bought Cubic Ninja a few years back for 1$.
Brb, gonna sell it on eBay for 200$ dollars.
Brb, gonna sell it on eBay for 200$ dollars.
It does. There are flash cards that work with older versions of the 3DS firmware.
And people who bought VC games will probably keep doing it. As far as I know, emulators have been out there for many years now, and yet people paid money for VC titles.
It's more of a hope than anything. I'm sure Nintendo will do jackshit to improve their emulation.
Sounds similar to the email I got.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
OP updated.
deltatheta
Member
You both should complain to Amazon. That's pretty scummy behavior.
zephervack
Member
A lot of people will be very surprised when the exploit releases and they realize this doesnt give them piracy, no way all these people buying this cart are doing it for unfinished homebrew software and some buggy emulators.
I bet the game will come down in price in a few weeks time.
I bet the game will come down in price in a few weeks time.
mgs2master2
Banned
got my confirmation email from gamestop. gonna get it in a bit. game is also available on the eshop i believe for those who want to track it. not to sure though
Look at my previous post. Gameyob is fully featured, has extremely high compatibility and runs all GB and GBC games at full speed with Super Game Boy support.
the potential for region free is worth the 5 dollar gamble on my end.
if nothing happens, oh well, 5 bucks.
hell of a lot cheaper than buying a JP 3DS
UncleSporky
Member
Are you accusing me of piracy? I ripped that game using a transfer pak and my everdrive 64.
And look at the comparison you posted - do you honestly expect me to play the shoddy VC version when I can play my copy with full SGB colour and borders?
This has been covered before: Emulation using your own backups isn't piracy.
Maintenance
Member
M2 does VC better than Nintendo ever did, what a shame.
Train of Midnight
Banned
deltatheta
Member
I think UncleSporky was contradicting the people who were saying that this exploit cannot be used for piracy when clearly it can, in the case of GB/GBC ROMs.
And I don't really see how the exploit could be usable for region free when it can't be used for launching pirated 3DS ROMs. Either it can change the restrictions on the way the system launches games or it can't. It's hard to see how it could do one but not the other.
UncleSporky
Member
I don't care whether or not you ripped the game. Obviously you aren't playing that on the 3DS either because the exploit hasn't been released yet.
The post said "no piracy." With this exploit, anyone is able to load up a GB ROM on the 3DS to play a game that you can legitimately buy on the eShop. That's piracy. You can't spin that.
I don't care whether it's full color or not either. The exploit would just as easily allow you to load up the shitty black and white version too. Either way, it already enables piracy, no matter how minor. Not really arguable.
tim_pkmn89
Member
It doesn't enable any 3DS software piracy. Happy now?
You can already play GBC games on a 3DS vis DS flash card.
DrROBschiz
Member
remains to be seen honestly
Corrected that for you.
As soon as someone cracks a system for homebrew, the efforts to turn that into an avenue for piracy begin. While the 3DS is nowhere near cracked wide open by this, it is one step closer to opening the system up to wider-scale piracy.
Shh, not sure if you are allowed to talk about this here on GAF. There isn't one afaik, there'll probably be a way to install the "official" homebrew channel without the game. You can run homebrews already if you got both.
That would be amazing lol
He is using a DS cart running on a 3DS. You've been able to do that for a while.
DrROBschiz
Member
Several other groups are already making headway with backup loading on 3DS including Gateway
Nothing. It's just a cheaper option (won't be for long though!), is likely harder to patch, but has fewer capabilities (this exploit will never play dumped games like Gateway can, but it's possible that a different exploit could use the same game in the future).
UncleSporky
Member
There could be a homebrew program that launches a game inserted in the 3DS.
This is what Gecko did on the Wii. My Wii is homebrewed but I don't have any pirated software. I load up the homebrew channel, launch Gecko, put PAL Xenoblade in the system and it boots right up. That's how I played the game before it was released in the US.
You, maybe. A lot of other people won't have an original and pirate it still.
You need to look at the bigger picture, here.
Playing the game now, it's actually quite good.
They probably did and are now selling it for $100 a piece.
They probably did and are now selling it for $100 a piece.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Eh. I dont see what advantage homebrew on a 3ds would have over a psp. Doesn't seem even worth the effort.