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[MurkyZebra2417]

Kindly explain how is that a hyperbole?

Because it drops 1-2 frames. For seconds. In some places.
If you can't see the hyperbole you should get some Doritos and flush them with Mountain Dew.

 

[Gurish]

I'll take better fps performance for sure.

You prefer a constant inferior IQ over minor and pretty rare dips?

I don't agree with that, although PS4 results are disappointing considering the gap, Sony needs to find solutions regarding their CPU, maybe free another core like some suggested.

 

[Backfoggen]

I hope real functional dynamic resolution becomes a thing this gen. Not the weird id tech 5 "drops to worst possible resolution for way too long despite nothing really going on" type.

 

[Zophar]

But your problem with the tone of the article does not seem to be based on reality. There's nothing in the conclusion (or article otherwise) suggesting that the XB1 version running at 1080p would only have minor drops in framerate, you're making that up.

Performance-wise, both consoles do a good job of delivering a stable, consistent frame-rate but it is the Xbox One version that delivers the smoothest experience overall. Frame-rate drops are extremely rare, only appearing in the most extreme circumstances - for all intents and purposes we're looking at a locked 30fps. Unfortunately, the higher resolution on PS4 comes with a catch in the form of noticeable performance dips during strenuous sequences.

There's a direct claim that the resolution bump leads to framerate issues- it makes this claim without accounting for the difference in effects or other optimizations. In the conclusion, it places the options on even-footing: if you want performance, get the XB1, but if you want IQ get the PS4 version, when it's arguable that it's even a comparable tradeoff.

 

[biglittleps]

I seriously doubt Eurogamer recently then have been favoring a lot towards XB1 and trying to make it better even it has very minor advantage like a big diff and downplaying PS4 advantages almost in negative way. In this face off they mean like PS4 has severe dips and its not stable at all by recommending XB1 who want performance (almost every article) even though the dips are not noticeable mostly and it happens in very stress events (which i doubt in XB1 also but they may trying to hide as they favor XB1 by choosing some particular sections).

 

[IncandescentPrecept]

How does it run on PS3, is it "slideshow" like ME3?

I don't recall ME3 being a slideshow on the PS3.

 

[Seanspeed]

So your conclusion is if the xb1 was 1080p it would be a solid 30fps?? Lol no....

You are too preoccupied with defending the PS4 to even understand what they were saying.

 

[NumberThree]

So your conclusion is if the xb1 was 1080p it would be a solid 30fps?? Lol no....

Yeah exactly, Sony just paid EA to lower the XB1 version's resolution so it wouldn't completely outmatch ths PS4 version.

Spoiler

Fuck I really need to put /s here. I shouldn't need to, but I do because NeoGAF.

 

[i-Lo]

Because it drops 1-2 frames. For seconds. In some places.
If you can't see the hyperbole you should get some Doritos and flush them with Mountain Dew.

I am allergic to cheese so no goddamn doritos 'kay?

Also, I haven't seen the videos myself. My statement was drawn from reading the conclusion of DF article. So one has to wonder just how effective the closing statements of DF are especially how their conclusions are reflected.

 

[Elios83]

It can be a better choice, yeah, depending on the frequency and severity of the drops of course. For instance, in a 60 fps game the drop to 50 fps (a 20% drop in framerate) for a couple of seconds isn't that noticeable because 50 fps is still a relatively high base framerate. In a 30 fps game a framerate drop of a similar percentage (from 30 fps to 25) is much more jarring and annoying because 25 fps means a very choppy experience in both visual consistency and control response.

Here we're talking about very sporadic drops which on top of that in most cases are to 28-29 fps.
It's just nitpicking, I've been playing the game and it's totally smooth to me, I'd be pissed off if resolution was lowered by dev to fix such a minor thing that most people won't notice anyway.

 

[Sweep14]

Kindly explain how is that a hyperbole?

Also, FYI, a constant anything (to an extent) becomes less noticeable overtime especially w/o side by side comparison as opposed to fluctuations. While neither version drops below the "cinematic" framerate of 24fps (thus far), percentage of time the fluctuations occur vary and according to DF, XB1 is favourable in this regard.

Than you should appreciate the constant 1080P on PS4...

 

[Dredd97]

You are too preoccupied with defending the PS4 to even understand what they were saying.

And you spend far too much time slating it to notice, I never defended it I pointed out he implied the xb1 was at 1080p it wouldn't suffer frame drops...

Edit :
Not gonna bicker, so let's just be friends

And yes more use of the /s would work much better in threads like this...

 

[Seanspeed]

There's a direct claim that the resolution bump leads to framerate issues- it makes this claim without accounting for the difference in effects or other optimizations. In the conclusion, it places the options on even-footing: if you want performance, get the XB1, but if you want IQ get the PS4 version, when it's arguable that it's even a comparable tradeoff.

I think their point is that getting the game to run at 1080p on PS4 with comparable graphics did mean that performance was pushed a bit harder. Which is a painfully obvious statement to make and nothing you should be getting your panties in a twist over. Relax.

 

[Memorabilia]

I hope real functional dynamic resolution becomes a thing this gen. Not the weird id tech 5 "drops to worst possible resolution for way too long despite nothing really going on" type.

Didn't Gorilla use a really good dynamic rez in KZ:SF? I still haven't played it but I seem to remember people raving about it and many still say its one of the most beautiful new gen games.

 

[Zophar]

I think their point is that getting the game to run at 1080p on PS4 with comparable graphics did mean that performance was pushed a bit harder. Which is a painfully obvious statement to make and nothing you should be getting your panties in a twist over. Relax.

Listen, I have very serious and important opinions on video games.

 

[alexandros]

I seriously doubt Eurogamer recently then have been favoring a lot towards XB1 and trying to make it better even it has very minor advantage like a big diff and downplaying PS4 advantages almost in negative way. In this face off they mean like PS4 has severe dips and its not stable at all by recommending XB1 who want performance (almost every article) even though the dips are not noticeable mostly and it happens in very stress events (which i doubt in XB1 also but they may trying to hide as they favor XB1 by choosing some particular sections).

Istead of going straight for the bias angle, why don't you guys entertain the more straightforward explanation first? That there are actually some issues worth noting with the PS4 versions of some games and that DF is simply reporting on them?

 

[biglittleps]

Because it drops 1-2 frames. For seconds. In some places.
If you can't see the hyperbole you should get some Doritos and flush them with Mountain Dew.

We can even see PS4 doing 31 in their FPS analysis, we don't now whether its an optimization issue or something else which can be improved easily by developers because its 1-2fps mostly diff only in very particular effects and stress event (This could happen even in XB1 as we did see 1fps dip in their analysis and we dig deep then we can find). Eurogamer really trying to keep XB1 in positive without concluding or providing any proper explanation about this minor fps as performance advantage like a fixed one.

 

[Seanspeed]

And you spend far too much time slating it to notice, I never defended it I pointed out he implied the xb1 was at 1080p it wouldn't suffer frame drops...

I haven't slated the PS4 anywhere, what are you talking about? :/

And no, I really don't think that's what he was implying. Certainly now how I read it, at least.

 

[mocolostrocolos]

After watching the framerate test, the drops on PS4 dont seem to be nothing to worry about, if I didnt play it on Pc, I'd go for PS4.

 

[adamsapple]

How does it run on PS3, is it "slideshow" like ME3?

I'm playing on PS3, posted some impressions and pics in the OT. Basically, load times are super long (like 1 minute long) switching zones, but once playing, the frame rate is decent. Drops here and there, but nothing you wouldn't expect, and definitely a million times better than the shitty Mordor port.

Pics and few lines
Minor impressions

I don't recall ME3 being a slideshow on the PS3.

Mass Effect PS3 is PRETTY BAD. The frame rate is SHIT. I've had the fortune of playing the entire trilogy on both 360 and PS3, its not a slideshow .. but its damn close to it during action scenes.

 

[vivekTO]

How I feel it goes down with sony:
Dev: we optimized the game to run at 1080p like you requested. However,if you would hear me out as to why I would recommend 900p...
Sony: no we need 1080p on all our games.
Dev: I understand but the game would perform bette.....
SONY: *throws money at them* go away you puppet.

Its a choice:
Frame drops occuring 5% of your entire playtime.
Vs
Lower resolution , 100% of your entire playtime.

Unless for people who sees no difference in 900p/1080p or Framedrops That are occuring too frequenly.

 

[onanie]

PS4's significant resolution advantage remains for the entirety of the game. On the other hand, instances of frame drops that DF managed to find look to be countable by hand.

A curious conclusion, but then again, not so curious considering the source of the article.

What's interesting is that a different site noted

During our play through, the PlayStation 4 version was very smooth with no lag in frame rate during the initial battles. The Xbox One version, although keeps it steady on most occasions does lag a bit when the action gets heavy

What a contrast in perception.

 

[Raist]

Appreciate it! I've been trying hard to give PC releases the respect they deserve and I'm glad someone noticed.

Yep, good article as always!
What's the red line on the framerate count by the way?

 

[WordsintheWater]

Istead of going straight for the bias angle, why don't you guys entertain the more straightforward explanation first? That there are actually some issues worth noting with the PS4 versions of some games and that DF is simply reporting on them?

I for one appreciate them mentioning all and any differences between the versions. Whenever you're doing an analysis such as this it's good to be very thorough, no matter how slight the differences are.

 

[alexandros]

Here we're talking about very sporadic drops which on top of that in most cases are to 28-29 fps.
It's just nitpicking, I've been playing the game and it's totally smooth to me, I'd be pissed off if resolution was lowered by dev to fix such a minor thing that most people won't notice anyway.

I read on a previous post that the PS4's mimimum framerate was 25 fps. If the minimum is 28-89 and it only happens infrequently then yeah, I completely agree.

 

[biglittleps]

Istead of going straight for the bias angle, why don't you guys entertain the more straightforward explanation first? That there are actually some issues worth noting with the PS4 versions of some games and that DF is simply reporting on them?

Issues reported by them are not severe but they claim like PS4 performance is worst by recommending XB1 version. Overall PS4 should be the one to be recommended as the FPS dips are minor (developers can improve them as well with some patches because its an optimization issue) and its in very stressful events only but eurogamer attitude towards this by saying performance go for XB1 is very bias angle.

 

[AlucardGV]

How I feel it goes down with sony:
Dev: we optimized the game to run at 1080p like you requested. However,if you would hear me out as to why I would recommend 900p...
Sony: no we need 1080p on all our games.
Dev: I understand but the game would perform bette.....
SONY: *throws money at them* go away you puppet.

Sony doesn't really have money to throw away, lol
i'll take 1080p if the game drops 5 frame on the most intense area.

 

[Backfoggen]

Issues reported by them are not severe but they claim like PS4 performance is worst by recommending XB1 version. Overall PS4 should be the one to be recommended as the FPS dips are minor (developers can improve them as well with some patches because its an optimization issue) and its in very stressful events only but eurogamer attitude towards this by saying performance go for XB1 is very bias angle.

It seems like you just dislike the fact that they say the XB1 version has advantages.

 

[Zophar]

I for one appreciate them mentioning all and any differences between the versions. Whenever you're doing an analysis such as this it's good to be very thorough, no matter how slight the differences are.

Their analyses are awesome and invaluable, but I do think they would be improved by refraining from making consumer-oriented judgments with their findings.

 

[Seanspeed]

Issues reported by them are not severe but they claim like PS4 performance is worst by recommending XB1 version. Overall PS4 should be the one to be recommended as the FPS dips are minor (developers can improve them as well with some patches because its an optimization issue) and its in very stressful events only but eurogamer attitude towards this by saying performance go for XB1 is very bias angle.

It is entirely factual that if you desire the best performance, the XB1 version is the one to have. There is nothing wrong with that statement. Now, if you care more about resolution/IQ, then go for the PS4 version. Which is exactly what they state themselves. They did not say that the PS4 version runs badly or anything. Just that it doesn't run quite as well as the XB1 version.

 

[Raist]

I read on a previous post that the PS4's mimimum framerate was 25 fps. If the minimum is 28-89 and it only happens infrequently then yeah, I completely agree.

Just watch the video then?
But yeah, it's 28-29. I haven't spotted any drops to 25 in that video, but that doesn't mean it's not there I guess.
edit: nevermind it drops to 26 at the very beginning.

Also the frametime jumps to 16ms (60FPS) on PS4 sometimes with the framerate reaching 31. Seems the XB1 version is locked at 30 max.
edit: does happen on XBO too, just less frequently.

 

[dr_rus]

So a 1FPS difference is worth claiming that the XB1 trades substantially higher IQ for stronger performance? How many of these nominal differences in framerate are DF going to make hay over before their bizarre power parity narrative starts looking silly?

Yeah, this.
We're talking about a freaking 30 fps limited game here. Both versions will have dips to 20s and I seriously doubt that anyone here will be able to tell a difference between a dip to 26 and a dip to 24 fps.
The difference between 900p and 1080p is much more visible and important.

 

[Dredd97]

Sony doesn't really have money to throw away, lol
i'll take 1080p if the game drops 5 frame on the most intense area.

Sony might not be swimming in cash but the're hardly a cheap bum supping beer from a bottle in a brown bag are they? Lol

 

[alexandros]

Issues reported by them are not severe but they claim like PS4 performance is worst by recommending XB1 version. Overall PS4 should be the one to be recommended as the FPS dips are minor (developers can improve them as well with some patches because its an optimization issue) and its in very stressful events only but eurogamer attitude towards this by saying performance go for XB1 is very bias angle.

I think the verdict is both fair and quite straightforward. If you have a decent PC, that's the version to get. If you don't mind minor frame dips go with the PS4, if you do go with the Xbox One. It's crystal clear, a fair assessment and not biased at all. What is your issue with this verdict?

 

[IndoAssassin]

What a shit generation. Screen tearing, can't even keep locked 30 fps, can't do 1080p, releasing bug ridden unfinished games, PR bs, treating us like idiots, and microtransactions up the ying yang.

 

[NumberThree]

There's a direct claim that the resolution bump leads to framerate issues- it makes this claim without accounting for the difference in effects or other optimizations. In the conclusion, it places the options on even-footing: if you want performance, get the XB1, but if you want IQ get the PS4 version, when it's arguable that it's even a comparable tradeoff.

The quote is taking a few shortcuts yeah, but I'm fairly sure the PS4 version with its better effects would run at a stable 30 fps if it was running in 900p. Are your complaints about the article really based on something that would be fixed by changing "the higher resolution on PS4" to "the better visuals on PS4"?

In the conclusion the article again (like in the quote you posted) reiterates that the frame drops are minor and you if you don't mind them the PS4 version is the obvious choice. There's no even footing. It states two facts: PS4 version looks better and XB1 version has a slightly more stable framerate. Knowing these facts, you can make your choice between the versions based on your own preferences.

 

[Memorabilia]

I am allergic to cheese so no goddamn doritos 'kay?

Also, I haven't seen the videos myself. My statement was drawn from reading the conclusion of DF article. So one has to wonder just how effective the closing statements of DF are especially how their conclusions are reflected.

After reading the article I was considering getting the Xbone version.

Then I watched the comparison videos and to my eyes the supposed frame-drops on PS4 are nonexistent and will be getting the PS4 version.

So, there does seem to be a legitimate reason to complain a tad about how the article is worded since the conclusion/recommendation put both on equal footing. My only hesitation to say this 100% is because I'm aware that sensitivity to frame drops is somewhat subjective. But even then we're not talking about one version that runs at 30 and the other at 20-25. Based on the VIDEOS (not the article) they both run at 30 with very infrequent drops to 29 or 28, with the PS4s drops happening maybe a tad more often.

So, yeah, the article does read a tad bit hyperbolic to my eyes if only because my initial reaction was to consider the Xbone version (before watching the comparisons).

 

[geordiemp]

And yet BF on Ps4 Frostbite was 900p60 but mainly around 50 FPS according to DF.

And PVZ was 1080p60 on Frostbite....pretty solid as well

So It cant be CPU, maybe they should of worked out the hit in those 2-3 FPS and dialled something back ever so slightly.

Comparing to other games could the hit 1080p30 and be locked - I believe yes if they really wanted to.

 

[biglittleps]

It seems like you just dislike the fact that they say the XB1 version has advantages.

I'm not but the way they presented this minor diff of XB1 advantage in some particular situations and recommending the XB1 for performance is like PS4 version performance is worst. They can mention the advantage of XB1 which i don't mind it, but overall PS4 version is best in this game considering the dips which happened rare and very stress situations only, but their recommendation of go for XB1 for performance and IQ for PS4 is the one i dislike and they nitpicked this FPS diff in bad way.

 

[thuway]

How I feel it goes down with sony:
Dev: we optimized the game to run at 1080p like you requested. However,if you would hear me out as to why I would recommend 900p...
Sony: no we need 1080p on all our games.
Dev: I understand but the game would perform bette.....
SONY: *throws money at them* go away you puppet.

Your better than this. Come on man really?

 

[WordsintheWater]

Their analyses are awesome and invaluable, but I do think they would be improved by refraining from making consumer-oriented judgments with their findings.

Are you saying you take issue with their conclusion paragraphs?

 

[geordiemp]

How I feel it goes down with sony:
Dev: we optimized the game to run at 1080p like you requested. However,if you would hear me out as to why I would recommend 900p...
Sony: no we need 1080p on all our games.
Dev: I understand but the game would perform bette.....
SONY: *throws money at them* go away you puppet.

Am I on Gamefaq's, N4g or neogaf,

Looks up at top of page.

Come on mate.

 

[TerryLee81]

The stutter during the cutscenes is indeed pretty bad. Did they just don't give a shit or were they unable to do it better. I mean it's not that there 100 characters on screen, most of the cutscenes are dialogues.

 

[onanie]

It is entirely factual that if you desire the best performance, the XB1 version is the one to have. There is nothing wrong with that statement. Now, if you care more about resolution/IQ, then go for the PS4 version. Which is exactly what they state themselves. They did not say that the PS4 version runs badly or anything. Just that it doesn't run quite as well as the XB1 version.

Factual, maybe, but it is dishonest to paint a narrative that PS4's persistent resolution advantage is equivalent to hand-picked instances of XB1's framerate advantage. If you are a consumer that wants both image quality and performance, there should be no question that PS4 is the overall pick.

 

[alexandros]

Factual, maybe, but it is dishonest to paint a narrative that PS4's persistent resolution advantage is equivalent to hand-picked instances of XB1's framerate advantage. If you are a consumer that wants both image quality and performance, there should be no question that PS4 is the overall pick.

Actually in that case the PC is the overall pick.

 

[SapientWolf]

And yet BF on Ps4 Frostbite was 900p60 but mainly around 50 FPS according to DF.

And PVZ was 1080p60 on Frostbite....pretty solid as well

So It cant be CPU, maybe they should of worked out the hit in those 2-3 FPS and dialled something back ever so slightly.

Comparing to other games could the hit 1080p30 and be locked - I believe yes if they really wanted to.

DA:I seems kind of demanding for an FB game.

 

[Tidus_Great]

Visuals PS4
Performance Xbox One

its becoming something of a trend.

yeah but it's 1080p the whole game

it rarely drops below 30 FPS

so really ps4 wins by far unless you are someone who cares about trivial details. 1080p is far more important than a slight framerate drop at rare times

 

[Korezo]

Game looks worst than gta5 how is it not 1080p on xbox.

 

[Doctor_Thomas]

It's funny how people will find occassional frame rate drops unacceptable, but are happy with lower resolution at all times.

 

[Zophar]

Are you saying you take issue with their conclusion paragraphs?

They can be frustratingly inconsistent, especially when the conclusions don't accurately mirror what the findings demonstrate.