Kojirospath
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Looking at the responses in this thread I understand why fem link has not happened yet. Aonuma fears this kind of backlash. Funny enough a loli link would probably save zelda in Japan
What if the female options wasn't a femLink though? Though to be honest, while I hate the idea, I'd still take this over what's being proposed.
No the character doesn't have to be male. But as I've repeated numerous times in this thread, unless a gender reassignment story is written into the game, creating a female Master Chief would create a new continuity, the new Master Chief would be a separate character to the prior one and an unfinished story would be being abandoned. The same does not apply to a game featuring a new Link who is or could be female, as almost every Zelda game is self contained and features a new character as Link. If Link was a strongly developed and recurring character, as opposed to an archetype with numerous incarnations, I would not be having this discussion with you.Let me ask you something, if MC was changed to a woman, ignoring that he's not one, would it change anything? Now I'm pretty sure he doesn't have kids, and I don't know the lore specifically, or at all, but is there anything about MC, other than him having a arching story that requires he be male? This is my point, a game rarely makes it a point to establish gender needs for it's characters, and most of them could be swap without any real damage. So with this in mind, Zelda a series from Nintendo, that will not make a point to have a political plot, has what in regards to changing his gender? Nothing, not a damn thing, which just leaves the ability to explore different gameplay options by the being influenced by a different race, which in no way facilitates the need to change him. So, I ask you, what exactly, does this offer that it would be worth experimenting with?
The nightmare of having a new great Zelda game with a female Link is strong here.
At this point i just want a Female Link for the meltdowns, reading a dozens of desperate misoginist cry about female taking over the world and ruining their life while the rest of the world laugh or don't care would be delicious
At this point i just want a Female Link for the meltdowns, reading a dozens of desperate misoginist cry about female taking over the world and ruining their life while the rest of the world laugh or don't care would be delicious
Master Chief is a single entity though. If Master Chief became a woman biologically, it would require a really stretchy justification. It would also be weird if Master Chief became a farmer, so isn't it weird for a Link to be a farmer?
I'm not saying that it would need a justification, I'm simply asking if Master chief would change if his his gender was changed. Also, some characters are flexible, no one questions how Mario can be everything he is, so it's not a stretch to just pass by everything Link is.
No the character doesn't have to be male. But as I've repeated numerous times in this thread, unless a gender reassignment story is written into the game, creating a female Master Chief would create a new continuity, the new Master Chief would be a separate character to the prior one and an unfinished story would be being abandoned. The same does not apply to a game featuring a new Link who is or could be female, as almost every Zelda game is self contained and features a new character as Link. If Link was a strongly developed and recurring character, as opposed to an archetype with numerous incarnations, I would not be having this discussion with you.
You're right about the fact that a Zelda with a non white male Link would be unlikely to contain a strong commentary on the issues such a character could face in our society. In some ways, this only strengthens the benefits of diversity in representation when applied to the work. Yes we need stories that examine and reflect on social issues, but we also need simple stories that buck the status quo. This is especially important for works aimed at/accessible to younger audiences. Simply seeing that the hero doesn't always have to be a white male can be a powerful thing.
It depends on society. Halo, if I recall, has female soldiers, but I don't know the rare of female to male soldiers. If there were far more male soldiers than female ones, I would imagine that Master Chief would be a markedly different character, because the implication that she would have to work harder to get to where MC is now is present.
Yes, everyone who is against the idea hates women. Seriously, painting the opposition in a negative light doesn't suddenly make your opinion the correct one. Try to be respectful.
Yes, everyone who is against the idea hates women. Seriously, painting the opposition in a negative light doesn't suddenly make your opinion the correct one. Try to be respectful.
There's a lot of them. Just from a quick glance I'd say the regular enlisted soldiers are maybe 1/4 to 1/3 female. It's about 50/50 with the Spartan IIs though.
All I know is, I wouldn't want to play a metroid game where I control someone other than Samus, just to get some more gender representation in the franchise. Say, Anthony came across a power suit or the Galatic federation engineered one that can use chozo technology, Functionally everything would be the same, but it would still feel wrong.
he should be reincarnated as tingle.
And lastly, would you have expectation of keeping a female Link in future LoZ or other Nintendo games (MK, Smash), or would you be alright with it going back to male in several titles after female Link?
In that case, it would just be a capable soldier taking up MC's mantle.
Gonna be honest here, even if they came up with a lore reason, I still wouldn't accept it, I just hate the idea of characters being changed, especially Link. So yeah, probably wouldn't buy the game either, wouldn't want to support the idea.
It would not be Link any longer. Link is the "Hero" of the goddess, not Heroine. Just the same as Zelda is the reincarnation of Hylia, the goddess of Hyrule, not god of Hyrule.
They have assigned traits and assigned roles.
This type of chaos with the people begging for female Link is why I hate that Zelda timeline crap. It retconned the series into chaos.
Yeah, definitely one of the trends of this thread (especially that "No Girls Allowed" stuff)
I honestly think nearly everyone in here could accept Link with that kind of change, if Nintendo made it substantial enough instead of just making any kind of change with Link that big. The rationalizations on both sides have run deeper than I ever expected them to go, when all of it seems to come down to "I do/don't prefer it that way." No one's really wrong in their preference, and those interested will play either way.
And I guess my earlier questions were answered indirectly by some, but I feel like clarifying: So if any LoZ features a female Link somehow, if you believe Link has been a cipher for all of the franchise, you're fine with the female version being the same, to the point where you still couldn't tell gender just by sight? If your not fine with that, how would you prefer Nintendo acknowledge the new gender (physically, voice actress, dialog)? And lastly, would you have expectation of keeping a female Link in future LoZ or other Nintendo games (MK, Smash), or would you be alright with it going back to male in several titles after female Link?
That last question in particular is why I favor Zelda or a brand new character being playable over a female Link. I'm not opposed to a female Link, but I do wonder about her longevity due to public and fan base perception, sales, etc.
They don't even need to "take" his mantle. They are already out there doing galaxy saving shit without MC. In the books of course. They could totally just make the games start following them if MC dies or something.
Sorry. I'm off topic.
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To all of whom would not buy a Zelda game with a female Link: did you buy Skyward Sword?
Karane, is not anymore a female Link than Saria or any of the Kokiri.
I have no idea what this post means
Looking at the responses in this thread I understand why fem link has not happened yet. Aonuma fears this kind of backlash. Funny enough a loli link would probably save zelda in Japan
This post reads scarily close to a post I made ages ago in this topic. Only, I was sarcastic.It would not be Link any longer. Link is the "Hero" of the goddess, not Heroine. Just the same as Zelda is the reincarnation of Hylia, the goddess of Hyrule, not god of Hyrule.
They have assigned traits and assigned roles.
This type of chaos with the people begging for female Link is why I hate that Zelda timeline crap. It retconned the series into chaos.
Is there a rule that the hero of time has to be the same race every time?
Nearest is aLttP referring to Link as part Hylian Knights' bloodline which is why he is destined to defeat Ganon.
Looking at the responses in this thread I understand why fem link has not happened yet. Aonuma fears this kind of backlash. Funny enough a loli link would probably save zelda in Japan
Gonna be honest here, even if they came up with a lore reason, I still wouldn't accept it, I just hate the idea of characters being changed, especially Link. So yeah, probably wouldn't buy the game either, wouldn't want to support the idea.
Yeah, I'm supposed to believe someone with a vagina could swing a sword and push blocks? Please.One of Nintendo philosophies is to think about a new gameplay idea and then search for a existing character who fits that gameplay idea. Taking a gameplay that already exists(Zelda gameplay) and uses it in a character that people don't recognize as Link is totally the opossite of what they do. Sum this to the WW backslash, where people didn't recognized toon Link as Link, that would be an unlikely decision.
This post reads scarily close to a post I made ages ago in this topic. Only, I was sarcastic.
Yes, everyone who is against the idea hates women. Seriously, painting the opposition in a negative light doesn't suddenly make your opinion the correct one. Try to be respectful.
This post reads scarily close to a post I made ages ago in this topic. Only, I was sarcastic.
The nightmare of having a new great Zelda game with a female Link is strong here.
At this point i just want a Female Link for the meltdowns, reading a dozens of desperate misoginist cry about female taking over the world and ruining their life while the rest of the world laugh or don't care would be delicious
Good for you, but what bearing does that have on anything I said?
Looking at the responses in this thread I understand why fem link has not happened yet. Aonuma fears this kind of backlash. Funny enough a loli link would probably save zelda in Japan
I just think it's silly to say Link has to be male because he's the "Hero" of whatever in each game. He's only a hero because he's male. He's not male because he's a hero. It's a silly argument
To the same folks who suggest a female Link, how would you feel if in the next Metroid game Samus was a dude? She could've stepped into a mine, her body got destroyed and they had to transfer her mind into the only host they could find, and it happened to be a male body.
If that sounds like the worst idea ever, is because it is. Keep this in mind when you suggest the same happening when the genders are reversed.
Each Link is a different character, with no shared memory, personality, or body. They just wear the same clothes. No one is suggesting Link get lobotomized in the middle of a game and have his brain transplanted into someone else's body, even though this is still shockingly close to the beginning of Majora's Mask.To the same folks who suggest a female Link, how would you feel if in the next Metroid game Samus was a dude? She could've stepped into a mine, her body got destroyed and they had to transfer her mind into the only host they could find, and it happened to be a male body.
If that sounds like the worst idea ever, is because it is. Keep this in mind when you suggest the same happening when the genders are reversed.
To the same folks who suggest a female Link, how would you feel if in the next Metroid game Samus was a dude? She could've stepped into a mine, her body got destroyed and they had to transfer her mind into the only host they could find, and it happened to be a male body.
If that sounds like the worst idea ever, is because it is. Keep this in mind when you suggest the same happening when the genders are reversed.
Yes, because Zelda isn't defined by binary "only Link, and only one possible Link."
Concerns about backlash are silly. For every person who would moan and cry if Link became a woman, how many do you really think would not buy the game because Link now had a vagina?