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2D or 3D Metroid
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Amentallica
Unconfirmed Member
There are wrong opinions in this world. You have one of the worst, sorry to say.
Not fun? Da fuq
Blackquill
Member
2D, I hated how Samus felt in the Prime series :/
Shin Kojima
Banned
I wouldn't MIND 3D but same as Zelda, it doesn't feel like the real thing when it's not 2D.
I disagree.
The wii mote was one of the best things of 3, great controls. Another reason why the trilogy is also great
2 had this creepy atmosphere, I loved it, and was really hard. My favorite of the series. And 1 was a masterpiece, it was a great first introduction to fps metroid, and it is beautiful till this day. They were all fun, beautiful and great games. No other games give me that sense of isolation, they capture that perfectly
I wasn't enamored of the Prime games either. I actually strongly prefer Metroid and Metroid II to any subsequent games in the series. Too much hand-holding in the 2D entries thereafter for what I wanted from the series, and the transition to 3D for the series made it feel grittier and more "real" than I look for in games. It has some interesting 3D mechanics but I think it became too complex for me in a 3D space. I like the simplicity of the first two games better.
Blackquill
Member
Trust me, I also feel no fun playing the first Metroid Prime, the first hours were really cools when you discovers everything and collect power-up but when you starting to face a lot of Space Pirate, it becomes really boring since the shooting was a little bit bland and took way too long for exterminating some space pirates. And at the end of the game, you're always interrupted by space pirates especially since you must collect artefacts and wandering in the already visited zones. Bad game design man.
I loved Metroid Prime 3 more since the hyper mode was awesome and the boss better designed.
Amentallica
Unconfirmed Member
That's not a problem with the game then. I found that Metroid Prime 1, less so 2, struck a good combination of complexity and simplicity. The maps were certainly linear enough to not get lost, until you got to the pirate base and water maps (some of those maps lost me due to the poor visual fidelity).
So happy the first reply is this one, I love 2D metroids but the Metroid Prime series is one of my favourites ever.
Hope that bit of teasing in the Kotaku article is a sign of a new Prime in the no too distant future...
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Both is the obvious answer, but in choosing one or the other I'd prefer a Prime-styled game. I think there is still room to grow there, they can't top that freshness that Prime 1 brought to the table, but they could make something that hits the highs of Prime 1 and 2 without the low points. Prime 3 could be drawn from as well but I much prefer the structure of the first two.
And I thought Prime 3's bosses were pretty bland in comparison to Prime 2. That was definitely the pinnacle of the trilogy's boss fights.
And I thought Prime 3's bosses were pretty bland in comparison to Prime 2. That was definitely the pinnacle of the trilogy's boss fights.
Amentallica
Unconfirmed Member
How is it bad game design? This makes no sense. You just didn't enjoy the type of enemy you faced, that doesn't make it bad game design. Did you even follow the story or lore at all? The pirates were on that planet for a reason, and they were your primary enemy, but they weren't the only things you fought. On top of that they became increasingly more dangerous. For a game that used only one analog stick, I thought the controls were perfectly fine.
Agreed
Amentallica
Unconfirmed Member
Are there any good metroidvania games for the PS4?
Blackquill
Member
When I talk about bad game design, I'm talking about the artefacts quest. Same problem with the Triforce quest from Wind Waker. One cheap way to make the game longer.
nkarafo
Member
See it this way. Super Metroid was pretty much the perfect 2D Metroid game. Its going to be too hard to top that.
Metroid Prime though, although a masterpiece in it's time, can still be improved as Retro will be able to do much more immersive, bigger, more complex and more detailed 3D environments with the newer hardware. Imagine the crateria of Super Metroid translated in a huge 3D landscape with tons of detail, unlimited draw distance, weather effects and the moody atmosphere/music.
Metroid Prime though, although a masterpiece in it's time, can still be improved as Retro will be able to do much more immersive, bigger, more complex and more detailed 3D environments with the newer hardware. Imagine the crateria of Super Metroid translated in a huge 3D landscape with tons of detail, unlimited draw distance, weather effects and the moody atmosphere/music.
It is but can you really trust anyone to make a game that good these days?
I don't really like Prime but Retro is a better developer now than they were in the Gamecube days. They will do a better job on a Prime sequel than whatever developer they get to make a 2D game.
I feel like whoever makes a new 2D Metroid will put way too much effort into the atmosphere and immersion part, and not nearly enough into the movement mechanics and level design.
Amentallica
Unconfirmed Member
That's the only problem with the game then. And many of those artifacts are found along the way in the game. So in the end, if you explored during your initial travels, you would only need a few more artifacts. So that's one issue I agree with. What else is the problem, then? If that's the only gripe you have, then it isn't sufficient enough to denounce the game, especially since it did SO many things amazingly for being the series' first 3D entry.
I agree with you. It's my own preference, not a problem with the games themselves, and I do understand the affection for the series. It's just not my jam.
nkarafo
Member
Accusing Metroid Prime for "bad game design" is kind of an oxymoron because Metroid Prime is one of the best designed games ever made.
I absolutely loved the artifact hunting because i had a reason to revisit areas that contained sub-areas i couldn't previously go and use my new upgrades to open new areas. And the regenerating enemies served the purpose of making the power suit actually feel more powerful than ever with the upgrades, as you could kill those enemies faster and easier than before.
A New Super Metroid would be amazing, but I doubt Nintendo have the faith in their players to drop a character in the world with no guide and make them explore any more.
The only hope is that the inevitable guide is like the ones in recent Mario and Zelda games that show exactly what you have to do but are pretty much entirely optional.
The only hope is that the inevitable guide is like the ones in recent Mario and Zelda games that show exactly what you have to do but are pretty much entirely optional.
Exclusives? I don't think so. Off the top of my head my first recommendation would be Guacamelee, which is a fantastic game.
pinkurocket
Member
I have so many good memories from the first Metroid Prime. The exploring, the music, the atmosphere are all so good. I didn't mind that later in the game you had to revisit the same areas a lot, and I often got lost meaning I had to take a huge stroll through places I had been several times. But it was fun to do so because I just really liked the world.
I am really pro 3D.
I am really pro 3D.
I'd be all over this! I'm quite surprised that Nintendo havent done more HD remasters as well. Mario galaxy HD remaster would buy in an instant.
After Metroid and Super Metroid, I was super skeptical that it would translate to 3D, but Retro studios knocked it out of the park with Metroid Prime, one of my favorite games of all time. I'll say both are needed. I played the hell out of Metroid Fusion at the same time as Metroid Prime, so both are viable. I'd want a 2D sequel to Fusion, and maybe another 3D version that is more Prime style.
Interceptor
Banned
As much as i love 2D Metroids, i wish they would go for 3D Metroid where the undergound caves are as big as the new Zeldas overworld. Samus and Samus alone, starting on the surface making her way down.
Capturing this:
Please no more Power Ranger Bounty Hunters like in Prime 3.
Capturing this:
Please no more Power Ranger Bounty Hunters like in Prime 3.
Xion_Stellar
People should stop referencing data that makes me feel uncomfortable because games get ported to platforms I don't like
I would also like both and if I have to choose than:
-My first choice would be 3D just as long as it sticks to the Prime formula
-2nd choice would be 2D if they decide to go with the Other M formula on the 3D one.
Bomber Bob
Banned
2d.
prime was kinda boring
prime was kinda boring
You missed out on two of the best Gamecube games.
Seriously some people say they love exploration and that that is was makes a Metroid game, but then they complain that they had to backtrack to get all artifacts in Metroid Prime. So then how the fuck do they explore? When entering a new room do they just spin once to look at everything asap and then move on?
3D Metroid.
3D Metroid.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
DON'T MAKE ME CHOOSE
Amentallica
Unconfirmed Member
Agreed. While I know it's personal preference and all, I pity those who didn't enjoy the Prime series. The first, especially, is that good, and the second, after subsequent plays, shines above even the first, in my opinion (took me years to feel this way).
I played all the Metroids to date except the first on Nes
and my wet dream would be a remaster of sort of SuperMetroid
with all the memory of the WiiU devoted to post processing effects: lighting/smoke/volumetric fog/ distortions/DOF
I'd like also some zoom-in and zoom-outs in different scale environments
And uncompressed music and Fx's
That would be neat
and my wet dream would be a remaster of sort of SuperMetroid
with all the memory of the WiiU devoted to post processing effects: lighting/smoke/volumetric fog/ distortions/DOF
I'd like also some zoom-in and zoom-outs in different scale environments
And uncompressed music and Fx's
That would be neat
GayForMaster
Banned
That depends. If it were 3D, I think I'd only want something like Prime. Other M was atrocious.