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1 million people and 40+ world leaders to march against terror in Paris

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DiipuSurotu

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"They've closed the eyes of 17 men and women
& opened those of mankind."

Edit: I keep getting the first post of new pages lol, not on purpose
 
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Condom

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StratosGK said:
I am Greek and my Prime Minister Antonis Samaras is there.
He used the terrorist attack to gain votes for the upcoming elections that take place in 14 days. Now he is there, marching against terror while he brings terror to so many families and people. What a fucking joke he is.

I admire all those people that are there and have nothing to gain. No votes, no money or glory.
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You guys better fucking let Syriza gain control this time. Rooting for them from the Netherlands, the Greek people deserve it.
 
ZiZ

ZiZ

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Arksy said:
Yes, everyone gets ridiculed. It doesn't matter what political persuasion, religion, belief system you hold. You WILL be ridiculed. Feminists, MRA, Jews, Chritians, Muslims, Conservatives, Liberals. No one is immune. No one. We have that right so that we can keep everyone accountable for their actions. It's the way the west works, it's why we're such good places to live.
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no, not really.

one of Charlie Hebdo's cartoonists got fired and put on trial for making a joke about Jews.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...arges-of-anti-Semitism-over-Sarkozy-jibe.html
 
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Kezen

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While I agree radical Muslims can fuck off, all muslims are being made fun of.
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It's just humor, if they can't handle it they should not live in a country which hails this as a right.
Charlie Hebdo made fun of everyone regardless of their political stance or religious beliefs.

They do not have an anti Muslim agenda, but that won't prevent some from attempting to cry for victimization.
 
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jakonovski

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Kezen said:
It's just humor, if they can't handle it they should not live in a country which hails this as a right.
Charlie Hebdo made fun of everyone regardless of their political stance or religious beliefs.

They do not have an anti Muslim agenda, but that won't prevent some from attempting to cry for victimization.
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Let's not go to "like or leave it" jingoism. Muslim citizens are as just as French as Christian citizens.
 
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Mimosa97

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ZiZ said:
no, not really.

one of Charlie Hebdo got fired and put on trial for making a joke about Jews.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...arges-of-anti-Semitism-over-Sarkozy-jibe.html
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The boss at the time was a big Israel supporter and Sine was very vocal about the palestinian-israeli conflict. That's why he saw that as an opportunity to fire him when Siné said " Jean sarkozy married a Jewish heiress. This kid will go far in life " . He didn't even say that that he married her for financial reason.

Well his joke was of very bad taste but yeah it horrified me at the time that he could get fired for that (even if the real reason was deeper than that). He won his trial against the journal.
Making fun of jews is a very sensible topic in France and with jews being deliberately targeted the last few years with so many of them getting killed by terrorists, well , it's not gonna help soften the tensions around that.
 
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Kezen

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jakonovski said:
Let's not go to "like or leave it" jingoism. Muslim citizens are as just as French as Christian citizens.
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That was not my point, at all. My point is that CH are entitled to mock anyone they please, and so is everyone by the way. Muslims should not have a problem with that, why shouldn't they be the target of some, good or bad, humor like everybody else ?

In France we separate churches and state.
 
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Condom said:
You guys better fucking let Syriza gain control this time. Rooting for them from the Netherlands, the Greek people deserve it.
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Everyone deserves a respectful life. We are not special or more significant than any other nation or race.
I will vote Syriza but i am not sure that they will do what they say. I think they deserve a chance as N.D and PASOK have fucked up everything the last 30 years. Of course with our help. We are not innocent in all this.
 
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Real Hero

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Kezen said:
That was not my point, at all. My point is that CH are entitled to mock anyone they please, and so are everyone by the way. Muslims should not have a problem with that.
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Surely Muslims have a right to be bothered by it and voice why? Taking action to suppress or stop it is a different matter entirely and shouldn't tolerated.
 
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Mr. RHC

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Kezen said:
That was not my point, at all. My point is that CH are entitled to mock anyone they please, and so are everyone by the way. Muslims should not have a problem with that.
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Why not, exactly? I know only a few people who are immune to mockery.
 
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Arksy

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Real Hero said:
Surely Muslims have a right to be bothered by it and voice why? Taking action to suppress or stop it is a different matter entirely.
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But of course. No one is saying you can't criticise anyone. That's the whole point, everyone can criticise everyone.
 
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Kezen

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Real Hero said:
Surely Muslims have a right to be bothered by it and voice why? Taking action to suppress or stop it is a different matter entirely and shouldn't tolerated.
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Absolutely, but they can't do anything about it. Christians, Jews also do not appreciate Charlie's humor and they are equally entitled to voice their opinion.

Why not, exactly? I know only a few people who are immune to mockery.
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Well they sure can be bothered but that's about as far as it should go. Whether or not they like to be mocked is completely irrelevant.
Satire and caricatures are a right, period. Bad taste ? I don't care. I'm proud to live in a country where religious nutjobs can't do shit against freedom of speech, freedom to laugh.
 
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pulsemyne

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Marc said:
Yeah, unfortunately the anti-war demonstration was completely ignored despite the size and we can't even get the sodding chilcot report (an already nerfed report). Which has taken the steam out of the country I think, more are apathetic now as they know their voices will not be heard even when shouted.

We do hold it in as a people and tend to historically explode, the dissatisfaction and apathy comes to a head but not very proactive and aggressive in defending ourselves like the French. We get laws passed to spy on us without just cause with barely a whimper, all in the name of shit like terrorism. Already seeing scaremongering from intelligence agencies on how there are so many attacks waiting to happen, all to help justify (ironically) the taking away of our liberties. Even though you are waaay more likely to be killed by silly things like stairs.
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Oh I agree with the apathy thing. Although I do think there are some sacred cows that people would turn out to support. One of the only thing I could see uniting british people like this would be something like the NHS.
Intelligence services always want more powers, they always asked for it during the IRA days. There has always been pressure from them on politicians because if something does happen then it's the intelligence services who get the blame and not the politicians.
 
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jakonovski

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Kezen said:
Absolutely, but they can't do anything about it. Christians, Jews also do not appreciate Charlie's humor and they are equally entitled to voice their opinion.
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They definitely can and even should, through the courts. This should be emphasized because that's how it's supposed to work. It's easy to say "everyone should be mocked" when one is part of the mainstream that has never had their lifestyle publicly questioned.
 
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pulsemyne

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By the way the BBC's coverage today has been superb. Helps when you have a french speaker on the ground asking questions and translating.
 
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Kezen

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jakonovski said:
They definitely can and even should, through the courts. This should be emphasized because that's how it's supposed to work. It's easy to say "everyone should be mocked" when one is part of the mainstream that has never had their lifestyle publicly questioned.
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That's wrong, everyone has its religious habbits ridiculed by various outlets. That's how it should be imo.

Religion belongs to the private sphere.
 
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KingSnake

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wachie said:
So where does the magazine draw the line between freedom of speech and hate speech?
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I think a very good line is the line between religion and race/ethnicity. Because religion is an opinion and opinions are open to be criticized, while race/ethnicity is what one gets without having a word in it.
 
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Mimosa97

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pulsemyne said:
By the way the BBC's coverage today has been superb. Helps when you have a french speaker on the ground asking questions and translating.
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The BBC is top notch. I'm French, i live in Canada, and I mainly watch the BBC whenever i want to watch news on TV ( thank you UK VPN ).

I don't know why they get so much hate in the UK. I know a lot of english people say the BBC are just a bunch of leftists who's only mission is to brainwash the population lol
I don't really like the medias but i always feel like the BBC are doing a fine job. Even their website is top notch.
 
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wachie

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KingSnake said:
I think a very good line is the line between religion and race/ethnicity. Because religion is an opinion and opinions are open to be criticized, while race/ethnicity is what one gets without having a word in it.
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Agree 100%.

But I was curious as to why there were double standards by the magazine in the case posted by ZiZ.
 
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Jisgsaw

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jakonovski said:
They definitely can and even should, through the courts. This should be emphasized because that's how it's supposed to work. It's easy to say "everyone should be mocked" when one is part of the mainstream that has never had their lifestyle publicly questioned.
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Which is what happened with Charlie Hebdo, it was constantly attacked in justice for its drawings (winning most of the cases).

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But I was curious as to why there were double standards by the magazine in the case posted by ZiZ.

As someone already posted:
1) There is a very stong (and partly criticized) protection of jews, which, as some drawings posted show, are not to be touched
2) There were internal discords in the journal itself.
 
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hobblygobbly

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Mimosa97 said:
The BBC is top notch. I'm French, i live in Canada, and I mainly watch the BBC whenever i want to watch news on TV ( thank you UK VPN ).

I don't know why they get so much hate in the UK. I know a lot of english people say the BBC are just a bunch of leftists who's only mission is to brainwash the population lol
I don't really like the medias but i always feel like the BBC are doing a fine job. Even their website is top notch.
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I think it's mostly the other domestic BBC outlets that focus on the UK where as BBC World News is a lot different to those and have totally different people managing it to my knowledge. But yeah BBC World News has some top notch journalists/reporters and even presenters, by far my preferred outlet for news on the international scene. I don't even think you get BBC World News as a standard package in the UK (as opposed to the other BBC stuff).
 
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wachie

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Jisgsaw said:
Which is what happened with Charlie Hebdo, it was constantly attacked in justice for its drawings (winning most of the cases).

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But I was curious as to why there were double standards by the magazine in the case posted by ZiZ.

As someone already posted:
1) There is a very stong (and partly criticized) protection of jews, which, as some drawings posted show, are not to be touched
2) There were internal discords in the journal itself.
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Very interesting.
 
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Raist

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Seems like officials gave up on trying to estimate the number of people present for this march.

ComputerMKII said:
BFMTV reports 2 million people, though I don't know if it's just Paris or France as a whole.a
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For the whole country, but they said is probably vastly underestimated.
 
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jakonovski

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Jisgsaw said:
Which is what happened with Charlie Hebdo, it was constantly attacked in justice for its drawings (winning most of the cases).

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But I was curious as to why there were double standards by the magazine in the case posted by ZiZ.

As someone already posted:
1) There is a very stong (and partly criticized) protection of jews, which, as some drawings posted show, are not to be touched
2) There were internal discords in the journal itself.
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Yeah, reading about it, looks like things started going downhill after the court case of 2006-2007. I'm wondering if this coincides with larger changes in inter-ethnic relations in France.
 
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Inkvoterad

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Lol, a bunch of the premiere ministers coming are themselves guilty to censorship and other terrible shit... alright then.

Outside of that this is pretty cool, probably would have gone if i lived in Paris.
 
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kmax

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I just want to say that the people of France have handled this tragedy extremely well. It's absolutely fantastic to see people of all creeds in unison against violence and hate. When evil people try to divide us, we stand together, united more than ever.

Fantastic display. Vive le France!
 
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