Not to mention in Super Metroid you could kill Metroids with Power Bombs. Such consistency.
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The story of Metroid Other M
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If I'm remembering right, they're also killed in one hit by the Grapple Beam.
VARIA
Member
Or Metroid II, where you can kill all sorts of stronger Metroid mutations with just missiles alone. Regardless of the stupid story and non-existent music, I had fun with Other: M.
Oh, what might've been ....
diamond_is_not_crash
Unconfirmed Member
...the baby
Green Mamba
Member
In all fairness I really, really hated how weak the Prime series made Metroids. The Plasma Beam and Wave Beam should really do fuck all to a Metroid.
Nope. You might be thinking of Draygon.
GRITTY VIOLENT EMOTIONLESS ICE QUEEN SOCIOPATH
Prime 3 did try to make it harder to pull that off, since they phase in and out of existence quite frequently. You have to bait them into doing their charge attack in order to get a clean missile hit on them.
EDIT: this isn't even worth my rage. So utterly and completely disgusting.
fengshuifever
Member
Totally agree with you on that point. Her actions speak so much with so little.
I don't think that the consensus is that Samus is emotionless. Not at all.
I think there's a difference in feeling empathy for your fellow man (because we're also led to believe that she works with the GF frequently) and being emotionally over the place.
From all of our experiences with Samus, we understand that she's a capable and competent hunter, equipped with the basic function to push through a situation that would be catastrophic emotionally for most people.
Thaaaat is not what we're shown in Other M.
I actually am a semi defender of the approval method from Adam.
It's very much a "this is a very delicate operation because it directly ties to the GF" situation.
But the game is almost to a point of showing that Samus doesn't really need to be there.
she's constantly sidelined and the fact that the GF can blow up the ship at any time is stressed so many times, that I'm genuinely surprised with the amount of inner monologue that Samus didn't say to herself, "So what am I doing here exactly?"
Astral Dog
Member
The game shits on the manga, on Metroid Fusion, on Metroid Prime, Zero Mission, the only Metroid game that is not affected is II and maaybe Super Metroid, because that was a short scene.
Samus had a vague characterization before but here its hard to believe she is a bounty hunter that destroyed Zebes and the Metroids.
Its sad because we know that Sakamoto cares a lot about Metroid, but i will stop now
Edit: also, do we know how long Other M takes place after the start of Super Metroid?
Because I'm pretty sure being stuck alone on a desolate planet for a few months would be a good way to be alone enough with your thoughts to sort them out.
Samus says she doesnt know, but there is a mention of "days"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXDdw6VCH-w
Different version because god damn I couldn't stand letting that voice ruin one of my favourite Metroid custscenes.
Prime 2 feels like the Majora's Mask of the Prime Trilogy. Great game but its main mechanic can be off putting if not slightly overwhelming to some.
Prime 3 is a good game but feels like it was starting to listen a bit too much to the "This isn't Halo" idea.
Both still far far better games than Other M ever will be.
I don't even, to each their own but hell no.
balladofwindfishes
Member
If it's of any solace, Adam's helmet that Samus spent so much wasted effort going to grab was probably destroyed when her ship exploded before Fusion.
So at least there's that bit of relief.
I think it's because I was entirely satisfied when I beat those games and yet Other M made me want to go back and try and find something else to do because the main game wasn't that fullfilling? Or maybe because none of the items are hard to find or missable... yea, probably the latter reason.
So at least there's that bit of relief.
Hilariously, Other M is the only Metroid game I have ever 100% beaten. Like, for whatever reason, I was compelled to collect every power up, and yet for some reason did not do the same for any other Metroid (and I've played every single one).
I think it's because I was entirely satisfied when I beat those games and yet Other M made me want to go back and try and find something else to do because the main game wasn't that fullfilling? Or maybe because none of the items are hard to find or missable... yea, probably the latter reason.
Sorry, I'm at work so I had it on mute.
Part of Other M's objective was to give Samus a character. Thing is, she already had a character with dialogue and monologues and such. It was called Fusion (OM really did rip everything from Fusion) and it was perfectly good. We got a peak inside her head and some insight as to what she was doing when she was with the Federation. There we learned she dislikes authority/being held on a leash, can underestimate how deadly her enemy can be (X's intelligence), isn't afraid to go against orders when she feels it's the right thing, and holds appreciation for the critters that helped her (and the baby). Maybe it wasn't the deepest character, but it worked perfectly fine.
I tried replaying the game again to give it a chance (I completed it with 100% the first time because I'm that kind of person who can't leave a game unfinished). But I feel this disconnection between every other game and Other M's Samus. I mean, just watch the first cutscene OP posted, listen to what Samus says and even how she moves (Varia/Power Suit Samus, which is supposed to be the experienced hunter), she explains too much and moves like hesitating if she should go near Adam to explain whats going on, but in any other game (specially Prime series) she moves with confidence in herself, even though she is cautious of the surroundings thanks to who knows what kind of monsters might appear any moment. It's like Other M is part of alternate universe canon, not even Smash Bros. Samus feels as weird.
I'm mad they never explained who the Deleter was, the arc was just...deleted.
I'm mad they never explained who the Deleter was, the arc was just...deleted.
This. Her body language is too different,Other M would make sense if it was before Zero Mission.
DragonGirl
Member
Those were Mocktroids, not Metroids.
No it shits on those two as well. The Mother Brain scene is completely wrong, not to mention they play up the connection between the baby metroid and Samus when she never cared for it as a mother would her child. Something shown in both Super and II, like the fact that after finding it she just gives the baby to scientists basically without a second thought, also there's a queen metroid in the end of Other M isn't there? Another callback to II IIRC that Samus also doesn't get to kill, because she can't have any sort of closure in that game. So basically this game is the Anti-Metroid as it collectively shits on the entire franchise.
DodgyTaZombie
Member
You could write an entire series of books based on all of the fucks other m has with its narrative, absolutely nothing and I do mean nothing, works. How exactly nintendo ended up hiring team ninja and d-rockets, but not a single writer worth a damn is beyond me.
What can be said about a game that only reveals its main villain 10 minutes before the end and with at least 5 of those being purely to explain how and why she's the villain, ONLY THEN for the problem to be resolved by a bunch of dudes who just show up out of nowhere.
Samus Aran has no agency what so ever. She just runs around like an idiot whilst the plot resolves itself around her, so she can learn to be stoic or something. I don't know maybe if she said "the baby" a few hundred more times it would be more clear.
It boggles my mind the same guy who came up with super metroid's minimal and elegant plot penned this crap, there's so much wrong I'd wade through if I wasn't typing this on a phone.
What can be said about a game that only reveals its main villain 10 minutes before the end and with at least 5 of those being purely to explain how and why she's the villain, ONLY THEN for the problem to be resolved by a bunch of dudes who just show up out of nowhere.
Samus Aran has no agency what so ever. She just runs around like an idiot whilst the plot resolves itself around her, so she can learn to be stoic or something. I don't know maybe if she said "the baby" a few hundred more times it would be more clear.
It boggles my mind the same guy who came up with super metroid's minimal and elegant plot penned this crap, there's so much wrong I'd wade through if I wasn't typing this on a phone.
DragonGirl
Member
Frankly, I disliked the writing in Fusion as well. It was my biggest tip off that all might not be rosy in Other M-ville.
I'm not. Maybe it wasn't a one hit kill, but I could have sworn the Grapple Beam was surprisingly good against Metroids.
fengshuifever
Member
Oh God, this is another thing.
Super Metroid happens immediately after Return of Samus, so the space between her leaving sr388 and arriving at the Research Colony is not days or months. But hours.
And we're supposed to believe she's shared enough of a connection to have a motherly connection.
Nope. Don't buy it.
That's incorrect. Samus caring for the Metroid like a mother is a bit too much but she did care for it a little. It's the reason why she didn't kill it in the first place. In Fusion, Samus mentions how the baby had saved her life twice. Once in Super Metroid and in Fusion with the creation of the X parasite vaccine and how she owes that Metroid her life.
Samus cares for the baby Metroid but Other M just made it weird in a way that didn't make sense.
DragonGirl
Member
As I said before, those were Mocktroids, not Metroids. You face Space Pirate constructed Metroids that were pathetically weak before you face the real thing.
We must, because: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"Please don't remind us that this ever existed.
I just want to know if Nintendo actually knows why fans don't like Other M or if they think it's because of the wrong reasons.
Haunted
Member
Sometimes, you give a beloved creator additional, more advanced tools to tell a story and it turns out that it would've probably been better if you hadn't. The limits are what allowed them to do something special earlier in their career. The more they try to expand on it, the harder they fail.
Sakamoto, Kojima, Lucas etc etc
Sakamoto, Kojima, Lucas etc etc
I can see her caring for the baby metroid but nothing anywhere near like how a mother does a child. Also, I mentioned when she gave it away. She saved the last one because I'm guessing Samus knows that it'd be good to have the last of an entire species of creatures in captivity for many reasons and also because it wasn't hostile to her. She gives it away to scientists without batting an eye. After it saves her, since it still thinks she's its mother, I could see her developing some sort connection to it by being grateful for its sacrifice to ensure she could continue fighting and win but like I said not enough to consider it her child. Finally Fusion happens after other m anyway in Sakamoto's dumbass canon, so that shouldn't account into Other M's plot and her feelings at that time.
Yeah, you posted that right before I posted, so I didn't see it before posting...
balladofwindfishes
Member
Oh lord does it ever. Chozo are never mentioned, at all, in the game. Instead it's implied Adam acted a father figure for Samus because she had no family and nobody loved her.
Except those amazing bird people who took her in as an orphan and raised her as one of their own, training her and giving her the gifts she needed to be the person she is. Samus wasn't alone or unloved as a child, the manga makes it pretty clear it's the opposite of that.
The manga is canon and Samus' adopted Chozo family are shown in Zero Mission. If Samus really did need Adam as a father figure because she was all alone as a teenager or didn't feel loved, it makes her sound incredibly selfish and basically insane because she had an entire race fawning over her and doing everything in their power to make sure she fit in as a Chozo. It's insulting to her Chozo heritage to imply her childhood was as bad as she makes it seem in Other M.
Was Sakamoto so opposed to the expansion of Chozo lore that the Prime series introduced that he had to make a pitiful attempt to entirely re-write Samus' history and write them out of the series or something?
Also every man in Other M is an absolute beast, towering over Samus, whose 6'3". Anthony must have been nearly 8 feet tall based on the ending of Other M.
Wow! It makes more sense this way.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
Metroid Other M is like when you get bad Chicken McNuggets.
Oh I know. I'm just saying that Samus actually cares for the Metroid. Not like a mother but like someone who cares for other animals or something.
Also, your assumption for Samus saving the Metroid to give to scientists has not basis. I just wanted to point that out because assumptions like that is what causes people to create a false characterization of Samus.
Haunted
Member
Just for the record, I totally enjoyed Other M as a game. Gameplay, level design, environment design, all top notch (OST too understated, though).
But the story pretty much fell flat on its face and I can understand how people who loved Samus as a character would resent the game for that (though I'd argue that the prevalence of her Zero Suit design is the true problem with modern Samus and Other M's story just the logical side effect of Sakamoto's/Nintendo's actual vision of the character).
But the story pretty much fell flat on its face and I can understand how people who loved Samus as a character would resent the game for that (though I'd argue that the prevalence of her Zero Suit design is the true problem with modern Samus and Other M's story just the logical side effect of Sakamoto's/Nintendo's actual vision of the character).
Astral Dog
Member
That was just weird, they were her parents, how Other M does not at least mention the Chozo is just off, i dont know why Sakamoto would do that considering he came up with that backstory for Samus, its not like they dont exist anymore, they just are not mentioned, the only explanation i can come up with is that Samus felt close to Adam because he is her human. "father"
I would say too that Samus cared about the infant Metroid, not to the same extent as Other M implies, but maybe even calling it "the baby" once. or at least be affected by its death.
I didn't absolutely hate the game as much as some others did but this sums up why I played it through and still felt somewhat unsatisfied. Samus had her hands tied by Adam and by the whole plot. Everytime she was supposed to have a hero moment somebody stole her thunder. As someone else said, she didn't even kill Ridley in Other M. And she had help beating the Queen Metroid too when Anthony pulled the brakes and toppled it. It's almost as if she was narrating a story that she wasn't playing a major part in; like a fly on the wall. It was such a contrast to the previous games where she single-handedly neutralized dangerous threats and blew up whole planets.
I liked the idea of the game and was glad for a change of pace from Prime (which I also played and liked). But the execution was lacking. The game could have benefitted from expanded control schemes. The 'motherhood' theme was wrong-headed. Samus was way too obsessed with that baby metroid. I can certainly undertstand her being intrigued that the baby metroid imprinted on her as its mother but it was way overdone. It was still a Metroid; creatures she'd single-handedly driven to the brink of extintction. If she'd kept calling it "the baby metroid" instead of "the baby" the script wouldn't have felt so forced. Samus seemed to have forgotten that while the metroid mistook her for its mother she didn't really give birth to a baby metroid.
Anyway, I had fun with the game despite its flaws. It was easy and linear but it controlled quite well despite the artificial control restrictions.
Your assumption makes less sense if you think about it. Why would she have saved it in the first place, because she cared for it? Uh this was the game where the mission is literally to exterminate metroids. She happened to come upon this one as it hatched, the logical thing to do is either kill it or capture it given that it's the last one of its kind and it wasn't being hostile towards her. I know this is just some theory I'm throwing out, but the only moment I can see Samus having any sort of attachment to it was after it saved her, which would make her feel gratitude and appreciation for the sacrifice not feelings of the loss of a child.
Also, calling it the baby is just easier than saying the baby metroid since it was a baby metroid. I don't feel like if she ever called it that, outside of other m, it would have come from some motherly feeling rather than it just being an easier shorthand. Then again calling it just the metroid works just as well given it's the only one left.
LordOfChaos
Member
*raises hand*
I'd be cool with that, for one. I think that's basically what most fans want in a new 3D Metroid. Sure there could be plenty of new stuff thrown in, but the overarching mix of exploring and shooting in Prime was great, and the story/characters weren't retarded.
I do think certain Metroidisms wouldn't stand well for a 2016 (or whatever) shooter though, some things seem more old timey game-ey. Like Ridley the generic space dragon.
Nintendoga
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Why did Adam authorize the initial Breeding program, knowing full well they were trying to recreate the most dangerous beings in the universe?
Why is Mother Brain suddenly needed to control the Metroids, when she has had absolutely zero influence over them in past games?
Why did Adam shoot Samus in the back? Why did Adam assume that all the Metroids in Sector Zero are unfreezeable, based on zero evidence?
If the Galactic Federation wanted to keep the Bottle Ship a secret, why not just send a secret squad there to destroy it, instead of sending THAT PERFECT MILITARY MIND? All those soldiers at the end of Other M, are they going to be killed too, since they know the truth about the Bottle Ship?
"It was the first joint mission I had been apart of since becoming a bounty hunter." Why is Samus a liar?
Why did Ridley spend months as a Furby, only to suddenly evolve through two metamorphosis stages the fucking day Samus got there? Bullllllshit.
Samus has destroyed Mother Brain, Zebes, Tallon IV, saved the people of Aether, saved numerous planets in Prime 3, exterminated the entire Metroid race, and stopped the Space Pirates' plan a second time. How the hell does Adam have ZERO respect for her in Other M and assume she'd only be a hindrance to the mission?
I love how they refer to Adam as that "Perfect Military Mind" in Fusion. I was expecting a fearless leader who made the ultimate sacrifices to ensure the safety of those around him, not...
...this.
It's even worse when you play Fusion right before playing this one.
Whether people think Other M has decent gameplay (it doesn't) or not is up to them. But the story still amazes me by how easily it killed Samus' characterization.
Thanks Sakamoto for not taking the time to proofreading your story.
Why is Mother Brain suddenly needed to control the Metroids, when she has had absolutely zero influence over them in past games?
Why did Adam shoot Samus in the back? Why did Adam assume that all the Metroids in Sector Zero are unfreezeable, based on zero evidence?
If the Galactic Federation wanted to keep the Bottle Ship a secret, why not just send a secret squad there to destroy it, instead of sending THAT PERFECT MILITARY MIND? All those soldiers at the end of Other M, are they going to be killed too, since they know the truth about the Bottle Ship?
"It was the first joint mission I had been apart of since becoming a bounty hunter." Why is Samus a liar?
Why did Ridley spend months as a Furby, only to suddenly evolve through two metamorphosis stages the fucking day Samus got there? Bullllllshit.
Samus has destroyed Mother Brain, Zebes, Tallon IV, saved the people of Aether, saved numerous planets in Prime 3, exterminated the entire Metroid race, and stopped the Space Pirates' plan a second time. How the hell does Adam have ZERO respect for her in Other M and assume she'd only be a hindrance to the mission?
I love how they refer to Adam as that "Perfect Military Mind" in Fusion. I was expecting a fearless leader who made the ultimate sacrifices to ensure the safety of those around him, not...
...this.
It's even worse when you play Fusion right before playing this one.
Whether people think Other M has decent gameplay (it doesn't) or not is up to them. But the story still amazes me by how easily it killed Samus' characterization.
Thanks Sakamoto for not taking the time to proofreading your story.
It's even worse when you play Fusion right before playing this one.
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Yeah, this stings considering how much I really love Fusion.
Why did Adam authorize the initial Breeding program, knowing full well they were trying to recreate the most dangerous beings in the universe?
Why is Mother Brain suddenly needed to control the Metroids, when she has had absolutely zero influence over them in past games?
Why did Adam shoot Samus in the back? Why did Adam assume that all the Metroids in Sector Zero are unfreezeable, based on zero evidence?
If the Galactic Federation wanted to keep the Bottle Ship a secret, why not just send a secret squad there to destroy it, instead of sending THAT PERFECT MILITARY MIND? All those soldiers at the end of Other M, are they going to be killed too, since they know the truth about the Bottle Ship?
"It was the first joint mission I had been apart of since becoming a bounty hunter." Why is Samus a liar?
Why did Ridley spend months as a Furby, only to suddenly evolve through two metamorphosis stages the fucking day Samus got there? Bullllllshit.
Samus has destroyed Mother Brain, Zebes, Tallon IV, saved the people of Aether, saved numerous planets in Prime 3, exterminated the entire Metroid race, and stopped the Space Pirates' plan a second time. How the hell does Adam have ZERO respect for her in Other M and assume she'd only be a hindrance to the mission?
I love how they refer to Adam as that "Perfect Military Mind" in Fusion. I was expecting a fearless leader who made the ultimate sacrifices to ensure the safety of those around him, not...
...this.
It's even worse when you play Fusion right before playing this one.
Whether people think Other M has decent gameplay (it doesn't) or not is up to them. But the story still amazes me by how easily it killed Samus' characterization.
Thanks Sakamoto for not taking the time to proofreading your story.
They need Mother Brain to control the Metroids, while Mother Brain is in no way perfect, she literally controlled all wild life on Zebes and sent them on a mad frenzy to kill Samus. If she had more time she would eventually control the Metroids with an iron fist if Samus didn't intervene on such short time
Also nowhere does it state about the places Samus has been in Prime 1/2/3 so they are not canon.
I'm sure you could 100% because it was easy as fuck to get them, and also because probably (and like I did) you though the real game was unlocked after 100%
Zomba13
Member
The thing with the Adam authorisation is that it could have been a decent reason for the power gating. You're on this GF station filled with valuable research and you don't want it destroyed so you say "Samus, only use your pewpew gun. No missiles, no bombs, not huge super power bombs." and the as things get more and more dangerous and you need to let her use the big guns to fight the more dangerous things you let her.
It all falls apart though when he literally won't allow her to use her suits air conditioning to survive in the volcano. Like, how damaging to the mission is it to let her keep cool or use the gravity suit or any of the other non weapon systems?
Not even going to touch the story and characterisation of Samus though. Nope. I need to sleep.
It all falls apart though when he literally won't allow her to use her suits air conditioning to survive in the volcano. Like, how damaging to the mission is it to let her keep cool or use the gravity suit or any of the other non weapon systems?
Not even going to touch the story and characterisation of Samus though. Nope. I need to sleep.
It says something where most of the "For" crowd was still like "the story was horrendous, but I enjoyed everything else!"
Nintendoga
Member
Lol.
Other M says the Space Pirates were originally wildlife and would to become feral idiots without Mother Brain to command them. The Space Pirates have always been intelligent, way before they even made Mother Brain their leader. There's also how they rebuilt Mother Brain, Ridley, and the entire base on Planet Zebes right before Super Metroid. Zero Mission too, since they acted on their own well after Mother Brain died in that game. But that can't be canon because Other M says so.
Other M also says the suit is a part of Samus' concentration, which negates the entire plot of Fusion due to how the suit works. So that can't be canon.
If we go by Other M's canonical timeline, where it should go like this
Metroid/ZM>2>SM>OM>Fusion
It really goes like this
2>OM
Only thing not canon is Other M.
balladofwindfishes
Member
The Space Pirates seem to be doing just fine without Mother Brain in this not-Prime game..
Also without Mother Brain the pirates managed to rebuild Mother Brain herself. If the pirates only had their sentience and intelligence from Mother Brain, how did they manage to rebuild Mother Brain in Super Metroid?
Beelzebufo
Banned
I think the Space Pirate trophies in Smash U actually solve this plot hole!