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Bloodborne Story and Lore Discussion Thread [Unmarked Spoilers]
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Didn't post here earlier to avoid spoilers. Now I'm trying to catch up with some things I missed.
RoyaleDuke
Banned
Wow, thanks for the accolades guys I just wanted to enlighten people as to some of my thoughts on the game and the influence that his work seems to have on the game. It was no big deal, haha but thank you I am flattered.
I feel once you have a better understanding albeit from a completely different source, we can start to put the pieces of the mystery of Yarnham, our hunter, and the Great Ones together. That said, some of the best things about this game is the ambiguity in the story and simply presenting the unknown and unknowable which are again key things in Lovecraft's stories.
Nothing is as it seems, you see.
Yet there is foul intent in what they do.
As for the what I was saying about Ailing Loran, I was mostly speaking as to how it alludes that Yarnham may eventually succumb to the same fate as Loran itself; destroyed and plundered by the Great Ones.
I noticed some confusion on the last page or two, so I just wanted to clarify.
I noticed the orb, but I didn't notice the spider pattern. It almost certainly is associated with Rom.Don't know if this has been discussed already (sorry if old), but did you guys noticed this spider stone hold by the byrgenwerth insect enemies? Is this associated with ROM somehow?
What are the Brundlefly enemies called in the guide?
Mermandala
Member
Garden of Eyes. For weirdness sake it still ranks behind Winter Lanterns - the LaLaLa walking frenzy-brains.
Huh. A garden is where things are grown. Since Byrgenworth was studying eyes, those might have been test subjects in experiments to grow extra eyes on humans.
Though that still doesn't explain the orbs with spider symbols.
AlphaDragoon
Member
btw, are those hidden eyes behind Doll's eyes? lol
Just a leftover from texture mapping, probably to save real estate on the map for more important parts to get higher quality textures. It's a common trick in character texturing.
sorry if this was posted already but DaveControlLive did a lore video on BB's story. It was posted 2 weeks ago so it doesn't have the guide stuff confirmations but it's pretty well made.
#1 is new to me! (video by TerraMantis)
basically:
Auto-enucleation (oedipism) and other forms of serious self-inflicted eye injury are an extremely rare form of severe self-harm that usually results from mental illnesses involving acute psychosis (loss of contact with reality). The name comes from Oedipus of Greek mythology, who gouged out his eyes in penance for having sex with his mother and killing his father.
Oedipism is the root word for the Oedon temple
basically:
Auto-enucleation (oedipism) and other forms of serious self-inflicted eye injury are an extremely rare form of severe self-harm that usually results from mental illnesses involving acute psychosis (loss of contact with reality). The name comes from Oedipus of Greek mythology, who gouged out his eyes in penance for having sex with his mother and killing his father.
Oedipism is the root word for the Oedon temple
theSlacker
Member
Haven't seen this talked about here even though I see the pictures pop up a bunch on 4chan and Reddit. A person from Reddit (chim_cheree) actually made the first picture and revelation as well:
So yeah. The singing brains apparently wear the Doll's clothes, they have the same long ass arms as the doll, and their "brains" appear to be made from dead messengers. Apparently the fingers may also be segmented like the doll, but don't have a picture of that. Third picture is of the big things in the poison swamp in the Nightmare Frontier. When they rear up to spit at you you can see the messengers inside them.
Now that I have this knowledge I don't even know what to do with it.
So yeah. The singing brains apparently wear the Doll's clothes, they have the same long ass arms as the doll, and their "brains" appear to be made from dead messengers. Apparently the fingers may also be segmented like the doll, but don't have a picture of that. Third picture is of the big things in the poison swamp in the Nightmare Frontier. When they rear up to spit at you you can see the messengers inside them.
Now that I have this knowledge I don't even know what to do with it.
theSlacker
Member
I guess a lot of people really fear gigantic spiders.
Wow, #1 was pretty eye-opening to me.
Sorry for the pun
And now I want to watch Breaking Bad again...
I think that's a literal nightmare, a dream created with twisted elements from reality. Although I think it's a real place where the old library ended up because of the school of Mensis' rites. It's pretty clear from the fact that Mergo's Loft is basically a twisted Yharnam Cathedral, with the same "clock tower" or whatever that is. And you can find singing brains only in the nightmare, so them being the doll's nightmare version would make sense (same with werewolves with torches?).
BTW could the Wet Nurse be the nightmare version of Eileen? I noticed it just moments ago when I was fighting her in NG+. She comes from above using her mantle as wings (with crow feathers) and she basically uses a gigantic version of the Blades of Mercy (Eileen's weapons). She's not supposed to resemble death, as I read somewhere else, that's not a scythe and her dress seems like a big version of the one Quelaana of Izalith had in DS plus crow feathers.
BTW could the Wet Nurse be the nightmare version of Eileen? I noticed it just moments ago when I was fighting her in NG+. She comes from above using her mantle as wings (with crow feathers) and she basically uses a gigantic version of the Blades of Mercy (Eileen's weapons). She's not supposed to resemble death, as I read somewhere else, that's not a scythe and her dress seems like a big version of the one Quelaana of Izalith had in DS plus crow feathers.
Been too busy to keep up with the thread, was the guide particularly revelatory? Considering the discussion on the most recent page or two is a rehash of earlier stuff I'm going to assume no?
While the latter part of the initial sentence is true I dont think the idea that science is dangerous is particularly true nor representative of Lovecraft's works. Lovecraft had a great interest in scientific and technological matters, as evidenced in his letters, as well as At the Mountains of Madness, "From Beyond," etc. While often ineffective, because compared to the "true reality" its amazingly primitve, science was generally given a positive role in his works while barbarism and primitivism were presented in a negative light. Arguably unchecked scientific progress was presented as a possible source of destruction.
The Mi-Go fighting the Outer Gods, apart from being vaguely laugable on the face of it, must be a fairly new addition to the mythos considering in the core mythos works they explicitly worship the Outer Gods. I have to imagine their conflicts with the Great Race and Great Old Ones are similar recent additions as the Elder Things are the only race I've seen them explicitly listed as having a conflict with.
What causes the "Innsmouth Look" has nothing to do with faith or being the "most religious" it's cause is simple - fucking. It's explicitly due to the fact the Esoteric Order of Dagon are inter-breeding with Deep Ones. Deep One hybrids all eventually become full Deep Ones as the Deep One genes are dominant, the idea of tainted cursed blood leading to destruction would seem to be a more explicit link to Bloodborne than dancing around the cause of it.
While the latter part of the initial sentence is true I dont think the idea that science is dangerous is particularly true nor representative of Lovecraft's works. Lovecraft had a great interest in scientific and technological matters, as evidenced in his letters, as well as At the Mountains of Madness, "From Beyond," etc. While often ineffective, because compared to the "true reality" its amazingly primitve, science was generally given a positive role in his works while barbarism and primitivism were presented in a negative light. Arguably unchecked scientific progress was presented as a possible source of destruction.
The Mi-Go fighting the Outer Gods, apart from being vaguely laugable on the face of it, must be a fairly new addition to the mythos considering in the core mythos works they explicitly worship the Outer Gods. I have to imagine their conflicts with the Great Race and Great Old Ones are similar recent additions as the Elder Things are the only race I've seen them explicitly listed as having a conflict with.
What causes the "Innsmouth Look" has nothing to do with faith or being the "most religious" it's cause is simple - fucking. It's explicitly due to the fact the Esoteric Order of Dagon are inter-breeding with Deep Ones. Deep One hybrids all eventually become full Deep Ones as the Deep One genes are dominant, the idea of tainted cursed blood leading to destruction would seem to be a more explicit link to Bloodborne than dancing around the cause of it.
benicillin
Banned
I'm 90% sure this is just the case of reused assets. If I remember correctly, the male variant of that enemy (I forget the exact name) uses the male student uniform.
theSlacker
Member
I would hate to think it used suck a video gamey reason as that. I have heard about the male one though, just can't find a screenshot.
Sooner or later, someone will dig through the data and post that I hope. Probably just some default female face, imo
If she has one, lol.
Heh, she will. All Dark Souls NPCs had faces but you didn't even get to see them until someone modded out the helms on PC. Some of the female NPCs were pretty cute. Dem details.
I mean, the first lines of the game say what you're about experience is like a dream so...
There are tons of nods to dreams, memories, nightmares, the brain, etc. I mean, you've got enemies designed and named after a part of the brain:
Also the Caryll runes "etching" stuff into your brain.
I'm guessing the implication is that the method of interfacing with the Great Ones was found in the mind alone and this could only be initiated with blood?
There are tons of nods to dreams, memories, nightmares, the brain, etc. I mean, you've got enemies designed and named after a part of the brain:
Also the Caryll runes "etching" stuff into your brain.
I'm guessing the implication is that the method of interfacing with the Great Ones was found in the mind alone and this could only be initiated with blood?
KittenMaster
Member
I wonder how many other Demon's Souls references are floating around in the game besides what was shown in the Top 10 video and stuff like the Mindflayers being basically the exact same enemy.
GwyndolinCinder
Member
no idea, i finished the game well before people discovered the skip glitch.
it's him but under the influence/control of the Moon Presence, imo.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
Guide is out right? Any reference to this guy?
I need to know who the fuck this guy is. It's driving me crazy since day 1
I need to know who the fuck this guy is. It's driving me crazy since day 1
btw, are those hidden eyes behind Doll's eyes? lol
Maybe she just has a lot of... insight
not sure if pertinent. need to go have a lie down
This is an interesting theory. Something else to consider is that Gehrman changes his outfit in the final boss battle from the clothes he was supposed to wear during a hunt to wearing the top hat and Charred Hunter Set. That struck me as weird, but it makes more sense if "Gehrman" was simply another hunter acting as a replacement Gehrman.
GreyOcelot
Member
i was kind of floored by the irony of me wearing that outfit for the first time, just before i did the ending where you become the new gehrman
Haven't seen this talked about here even though I see the pictures pop up a bunch on 4chan and Reddit. A person from Reddit (chim_cheree) actually made the first picture and revelation as well:
So yeah. The singing brains apparently wear the Doll's clothes, they have the same long ass arms as the doll, and their "brains" appear to be made from dead messengers. Apparently the fingers may also be segmented like the doll, but don't have a picture of that. Third picture is of the big things in the poison swamp in the Nightmare Frontier. When they rear up to spit at you you can see the messengers inside them.
Now that I have this knowledge I don't even know what to do with it.
I like this.
This is good.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
brandonh83
Banned
This is literally the most fascinating shit I've experienced in a videogame since Silent Hill 2. To me, this is true depth.
piccio_ssl
Member
OniBarubary
Banned
While I love that duality, I don't think Ebrietas is mourning Rom or...even really would. While the Altar sure looks like a Rom Spider, it looks very different to Rom itself with long legs instead of stumpy caterpillar ones. Size is sorta wrong too.
But more importantly...why would Ebrietas care? Rom was a human-made Old One with no real relation to her I don't think.
Edit: Also, someone on Reddit found this which is HILARIOUS. It's in Gehrman's study in the house.
Maybe something Laurence killed and visa versa? King of the Cosmos?
Regardless who it is I'm pretty certain she's mourning. The placement of the characters and surroundings is way too coincidental.
the brain trust/doll stuff blew my mind
this attention to detail is so good
I'm dying
this attention to detail is so good
Edit: Also, someone on Reddit found this which is HILARIOUS. It's in Gehrman's study in the house.
I'm dying
OniBarubary
Banned
Oh yeah, she's definitely mourning. No doubt about it. I just...don't know who/what. She's a really really big question mark in general for me. The Rom speculation makes sense because in a game as specific and rarely coincidental as Bloodborne, the thing on the Altar being a SPIDER and one with the stoney many-eyed faces as the ones Rom summons is way too close to be chance. But it looks like one of her spiderpals and not her herself.
I lost it for a good 2 or 3 minutes