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[jhmtehgamr20xx]

The perception of Sony has drastically change between. Sony's concern was to get people to buy their console for it's exclusives like MGS4. Now they just don't even have to try as hard as Nintendo and Microsoft and rely on 3rd party bundles and remastered with everything being delayed to 2016.

But hey greatness awaits, just give a couple more years.

Nintendo relies more on exclusives than Sony and Microsoft put together. Dafuq you talkin' 'bout?

But yeah, their strategy does seem to have shifted. It's the kind of strategy console leaders typically go for; usually it's either two big dogs in stiff competition (Sega and Nintendo 16-bit era), the new kid on the block needing to prove themselves (Sony w/ PS1) or the struggling underdog (Sega w/ Saturn and Dreamcast) that rely heavily on exclusives, because they NEED that kind of unique separator from their rivals.

 

[Omnistalgic]

You guys realize the only game that likely wouldn't be overshadowed by 3rd parties is GT and UC from Sony? Lets release the last guardian, ratchet, NMS, Horizon, Morpheus, infamous sequel and all in house stuff within 6 months of each other lol. Well having all these thousands of fans praising us on forums while COD FIFA BATTLEFRONT HALO & MGS5 take our lunch money. Every month has a great AAA release doesn't it? Why does it matter if its first party or not?

 

[Courage]

What a bizarre thread, it's hard to top Tearaway and No Man's Sky in my opinion. That's a killer lineup.

Tearaway is a remaster and not everyone is interested in No Man's Sky. I'll be buying both but I can see why people would be disappointed.

 

[grtkbrandon]

It's easy to say this when you know what you're going to be unveiling but doesn't exactly instill confidence in PS4 owners. Although, I guess they don't necessarily need to since they already lead in market share.

 

[John Bender]

If people who played the Vita version didn't like the game I don't hink they'll like the game more now that they made it longer.
If people didn't like the core experience Tearaway had to offer, it's pretty unlikely that Tearaway Unfolded will make them change their mind

Well, so Tearaway Unfolded isn't for these 5 people who bought the Vita version. There are other people, who did not have a Vita, but they want to play a very good game.

Tearaway is a remaster and not everyone is interested in No Man's Sky. I'll be buying both but I can see why people would be disappointed.

Tearaway isn't a remaster.

And yeah, you can't please everyone. So if these are not interested in NMS either, there are all these 3rd party games for them.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Sony doesn't have much of a history of "here's a thing you've never heard of, it's out in 4 months." I'm honestly expecting more "here are some PC games, now they're also PSN games".

They announced Gran Turismo 6 in May of 2013 and then released it in December. LBP3 was announced at last years E3 and was released in November. And while Bloodborne didn't release last year, it did come out in less than a year after its announcement (last E3).

 

[Nightengale]

Sony doesn't have much of a history of "here's a thing you've never heard of, it's out in 4 months." I'm honestly expecting more "here are some PC games, now they're also PSN games".

Let's talk strictly retail games.

2011: GoW Origins Collections
2012: LBP Karting & Playstation All Stars
2013: Gran Turismo 6 & Ratchet & Clank: Into the Nexus
2014 : LBP3

Edit : Ninja-ed by SolidSnakex.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Yeah the probably not worried like alot of people are they have the battlefront marketing right?

 

[Philippo]

Don't know how reliable it is, but here is an analysis on Sega latest schedule that suggests Persona 5 might release between October and December in both Japan and US.

http://personacentral.com/persona-5-release-window-revealed/

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

Don't understand the big need to release 1st party stuff during the holidays, just to have to lost in the shuffle of a dozen big triple A multiplat megasellers. I'd rather them hold that stuff for the rest of the year, drop maybe 1 big title every couple of months.

 

[Apathy]

Well, so Tearaway Unfolded isn't for these 5 people who bought the Vita version. There are other people, who did not have a Vita, but they want to play a very good game.

Well say 4, cause I bought it and will rebuy it. I hate platformers and yet I love Tearaway. It's so whimsical

 

[Duxxy3]

Sony studios, contrary to others, had continued developing on the PS3 quite late in its cycle.

Which, IMO, was a mistake. The Last of Us should have been the cut off point. Anything with potential to be released after that should have been moved to PS4.

They may not been the greatest games, but Ryse, Forza 5 and Dead Rising 3 all could have been 360 games. The Puppeteer, Beyond Two Souls and Gran Turismo 6 should have been developed for the PS4. GT6, by itself, could have filled the hole in Sony's 2015 fall lineup.

 

[Dragonslayer_023]

Don't know how reliable it is, but here is an analysis on Sega latest schedule that suggests Persona 5 might release between October and December in both Japan and US.

http://personacentral.com/persona-5-release-window-revealed/

For my money I don't expect P5 this year in either territory, but we'll see if they blow the doors off at E3 or elsewhere.

 

[John Bender]

Well say 4, cause I bought it and will rebuy it. I hate platformers and yet I love Tearaway. It's so whimsical

Nice to hear
I'm gonna buy it day 1!

 

[Rastafarian42]

Sony is going to announce Star Wars, Assassin's Creed, and FIFA bundles, there's your Holiday 2015 lineup.

plus they'll have a metal gear one I'm sure.

 

[schaft0620]

Let's talk strictly retail games.

2011: GoW Origins Collections
2012: LBP Karting & Playstation All Stars
2013: Gran Turismo 6 & Ratchet & Clank: Into the Nexus
2014 : LBP3

Edit : Ninja-ed by SolidSnakex.

Yeah, I would like to see them do something like this I hope its not just an Uncharted collection, even though they just announced a GOW 3 remake that is due in July so you could even count that too.

 

[Guymelef]

Sony's big game for this holidays will be a price drop.
This and third party games are enough.

 

[travisbickle]

do we really need more ports instead of triple A titles. How long until devs get acclimated to the new hardware? Where is Syphoon Filter?

You do realise if Sony make a Syphon Filter it won't be triple A?

It'll be a digital-only reimagining of the original game.

 

[ChaosZeroX]

E3 is so close. I can't wait to see what they are bringing. I assume GoW4 will be the surprise since UC4 is in Spring.

 

[lonely]

Don't know how reliable it is, but here is an analysis on Sega latest schedule that suggests Persona 5 might release between October and December in both Japan and US.

http://personacentral.com/persona-5-release-window-revealed/

Yeah but this was Playstation UK and we don't get Persona at the same time as everyone else.

 

[Aces&Eights]

Man, I can't wait to play NMS. I really, really hope it's as good as they are advertising.

 

[Elios83]

They really have no reason to be concerned.
They have the biggest hitters of the holiday season coming on the system with exclusive marketing deals, they have a (big?) price drop coming, they have big titles like U4 and R&C to keep momentum coming during next spring as well, which is a very immportant thing, people want to play games all the year, not just during November and December.
I'm sure there will be many new exclusive games announced at E3 but realistically they won't be released this holiday season, with R&C coming next spring, the only possible big surprises from them are the Uncharted Remastered Trilogy, Gravity Rush 2 and The Last Guardian and I believe only the first is likely.
The UK ceo is talking about not being concerned and having lots of games to play this holiday on PS4 in general.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Sony's big game for this holidays will be a price drop.
This and third party games are enough.

Just saw this.

http://www.vg247.com/2015/05/14/sony-no-mans-sky-treated-like-a-first-party-release/

Talking about No Man’s Sky to demonstrate the level of commitment to promising indie titles, Gara said “we are going to put the full weight of PlayStation behind it. If it all comes together as well as expected, it will be treated like a first-party release; it is not a self-published small indie title on the platform.”

Reminds me of the way they treated Destiny last year.

 

[Kssio_Aug]

Is not that "PS4 has no games", or anything like that. Let's just try to think it like this:

PS4 will be releasing, amongest other titles: No Man's Sky, Rime, Tearaway and Wild.
XB1 will be releasing, amongest othet titles: Halo 5, Tomb Raider, Forza Motorsport 6 and Fable Legends.

I guess that, for most people that owns both platform, their priorities may be at least Halo 5 and Tomb Raider over everything said. But since I'm sure many here doesnt care for Xbox One titles, let's say that Sony did confirm for 2015 said titles: Uncharted 4, Persona 5 and Ratchet & Clank.

I'm sure, that even if the indie titles such as No Man's Sky and Rime were sold as 30~40 dollars price, most people would still proprize Uncharted 4 and Ratchet & Clank for 60 dollars each, at least.

People just love some traditional big-budget well produced titles! If that wasn't the case Vita would most certainly be a huge success, since if there's one thing it doesnt lack is indie support.

 

[Firelord Chargrilled]

Sony's big game for this holidays will be a price drop.
This and third party games are enough.

I was just thinking that myself

 

[Omnistalgic]

Yea.... I don't think I'd call that list diverse at all. Mostly a bunch of Japanese anime stuff and some remasters.


I'm also 100% sure No Man's Sky is not coming out this year

that list is the very definition of diverse. A better response would just be you don't care for any of those games. P5, DQH and NMS are my most anticipated titles outside of MGS5.

 

[impact]

that list is the very definition of diverse. A better response would just be you don't care for any of those games. P5, DQH and NMS are my most anticipated titles outside of MGS5.

Diverse does not mean your most anticipated titles.

 

[Chobel]

Just saw this.

http://www.vg247.com/2015/05/14/sony-no-mans-sky-treated-like-a-first-party-release/



Reminds me of the way they treated Destiny last year.

LOL; this makes me think they have no surprises for this Fall.

 

[Andodalf]

It ps4 drops to 350$, and can bring some heat with at least one new AAA, they will do great. If they bring uncharted remastered it'll be a great holiday.

 

[Kssio_Aug]

that list is the very definition of diverse. A better response would just be you don't care for any of those games. P5, DQH and NMS are my most anticipated titles outside of MGS5.

Most anticipated but not diverse. I have to agree that the list is pretty much about indies and the japanese audience.

 

[witness]

Which, IMO, was a mistake. The Last of Us should have been the cut off point. Anything with potential to be released after that should have been moved to PS4.

They may not been the greatest games, but Ryse, Forza 5 and Dead Rising 3 all could have been 360 games. The Puppeteer, Beyond Two Souls and Gran Turismo 6 should have been developed for the PS4. GT6, by itself, could have filled the hole in Sony's 2015 fall lineup.

Agreed. That was some terrible logic by Sony not to release GT6 on PS4, look at how the sales suffered because it came out for the old console. I'm shocked there isn't a remaster announced yet because a lot of people skipped it because they just bought a PS4.

I know that 3rd party games are the big sellers and Sony seems to have the marketing to all the biggest games this year. Also MS saying they are focusing on 1st party at E3, makes me really worried that at Sony it's just going to be one 3rd party developer after another with maybe only one 1st party triple A title for the fall (TLG?). The problem with a lack of 1st party software is that people have less motivation to buy into their console, why not buy an Xbox because you get all the same games and these exclusives? Why not buy a PC because games are cheaper and they look better? It just makes Sony seem vulnerable in a sense.

 

[Jigorath]

LOL; this makes me think they have no surprises for this Fall.

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

 

[DarkLordMalik]

Don't know how reliable it is, but here is an analysis on Sega latest schedule that suggests Persona 5 might release between October and December in both Japan and US.

http://personacentral.com/persona-5-release-window-revealed/

Persona 5 is already confirmed for Japan this year, but not for the west. This is really nothing new.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

Hopes and dreams my friend. Pushing a title does not mean there will be no other titles unless you have a skewed view.

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

I mean, I'm not worried either...not in the slightest, but don't make me laugh by listing Tearaway as some killer holiday title. The game is good, but let's not kid ourselves

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

Which, IMO, was a mistake. The Last of Us should have been the cut off point. Anything with potential to be released after that should have been moved to PS4.

They may not been the greatest games, but Ryse, Forza 5 and Dead Rising 3 all could have been 360 games. The Puppeteer, Beyond Two Souls and Gran Turismo 6 should have been developed for the PS4. GT6, by itself, could have filled the hole in Sony's 2015 fall lineup.

Yeah, and it's a really tricky thing too. On the one hand, Sony gained back a lot of good favor by releasing those games on PS3 when PS4 and XBO were still seemingly far away.

OTOH, seeing that those games (minus GT6) were crucial to Sony getting back good favor that's obviously been beneficial to PS4's sales, had they not come, it's debatable if the PS4 would be selling as well as it has. Or maybe it's better to say, it'd be selling well, but XBO would be selling a lot closer to it and definitely have the lead in NA and UK at this point.

At the very least, GT6 should have either been a PS4 exclusive for the launch window or cross-gen for both PS3 and PS4.

Agreed. That was some terrible logic by Sony not to release GT6 on PS4, look at how the sales suffered because it came out for the old console. I'm shocked there isn't a remaster announced yet because a lot of people skipped it because they just bought a PS4.

I know that 3rd party games are the big sellers and Sony seems to have the marketing to all the biggest games this year. Also MS saying they are focusing on 1st party at E3, makes me really worried that at Sony it's just going to be one 3rd party developer after another with maybe only one 1st party triple A title for the fall (TLG?). The problem with a lack of 1st party software is that people have less motivation to buy into their console, why not buy an Xbox because you get all the same games and these exclusives? Why not buy a PC because games are cheaper and they look better? It just makes Sony seem vulnerable in a sense.

This is exactly the point more people need to get into their heads. I mean, I'll likely still pick up a PS4 for some stuff like RIME (assuming that isn't coming to PC as well), Tomorrow Children, and SFV (although mods and cross-platform multiplayer more or less seem to be pushing me to the PC version there), but if you're asking me to justify a $400 investment, I need more than three games.

And no, I don't count multiplatforms as being justifiers, since I can play those on XBO and PC. The only reason multiplatform games MIGHT have some sway is depending on if it's a game I would be competitive in, and therefore looking for the multiplayer network where the most (hopefully good) players are at. There aren't really any multiplatform multiplayer games out ATM that interest me though, not even MKX.

 

[sono]

"As for why there has been a lull in new PS4 game releases, Gara says it's about studios getting to grips with the hardware."

I dont know why but the phrase "time to triangle" sprang to mind when I read that part.

Did this happen to anyone else ?

 

[Omnistalgic]

Diverse does not mean your most anticipated titles.

It means variety and that list shows variety that u dismissed as remakes and anime stuff? Wtf?

 

[Kenzodielocke]

Persona 5 is already confirmed for Japan this year, but not for the west. This is really nothing new.

Actually, they confirmed 2015 for US

 

[Guymelef]

Persona 5 is already confirmed for Japan this year, but not for the west. This is really nothing new.

http://www.atlus.com/persona5/home.html

 

[Freedom = $1.05]

of course they're going to say that. What other response would they give?

"we are deeply concerned about our holiday 2015 lineup. Shit, i'm not entirely sure we have even a decent lineup."

they will always say it's fine, even it it's not. this really should be a SHOCKING NEWS type of thing.

 

[brickarts295]

Which, IMO, was a mistake. The Last of Us should have been the cut off point. Anything with potential to be released after that should have been moved to PS4.

They may not been the greatest games, but Ryse, Forza 5 and Dead Rising 3 all could have been 360 games. The Puppeteer, Beyond Two Souls and Gran Turismo 6 should have been developed for the PS4. GT6, by itself, could have filled the hole in Sony's 2015 fall lineup.

Well the idea was not to leave PS3 users to the dust like MS did to 360 users.

 

[Nightengale]

LOL; this makes me think they have no surprises for this Fall.

It's the same thing he said last year with Destiny.

Blergh.

 

[Omnistalgic]

I dont know why but the phrase "time to triangle" sprang to mind when I read that part.

Did this happen to anyone else ?

not really since his following statement implies he's referring to the ambition of devs and not standard technical hurdles.

 

[lazer_bean]

Well, so Tearaway Unfolded isn't for these 5 people who bought the Vita version. There are other people, who did not have a Vita, but they want to play a very good game.

here's what another poster told you in this thread:

You just summed up why I'm not excited about it, I already played it.

But for those who haven't it'll be one fantastic game though.

this was your reply:

You already played the "50% new content" of Tearaway Unfolded (compared to Tearaway Vita)? How was it?

Now you're tellng me this:

Well, so Tearaway Unfolded isn't for these 5 people who bought the Vita version. There are other people, who did not have a Vita, but they want to play a very good game.

Do you realize you're saying the same thing as the poster you disagreed with earlier ?

It doesn't matter anyway, I mostly agree with you actually. I don't doubt Tearaway is a good game, just not my thing and it's a good thing if more people get to enjoy it.

 

[Dredd97]

LOL; this makes me think they have no surprises for this Fall.

or Sony thinks it's the dogs nuts, and want it to be associated with PS4...

E3 2015 Sony announce NMS as a PS4 exclusive and not first on console...

 

[AnthonypUK]

Its okay theres more than enough "concern" on GAF for Sony's Regular season to make up for sonys lack of it.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

I would of liked RC to be there but realistically all I'm going to be playing is Persona 5.

 

[Chobel]

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

It sounds to me that NMS is their big game for fall. So if they have some surprise(s), I'm sure Sony wouldn't think NMS as being their biggest game for the Holiday.

 

[Apathy]

here's what another poster told you in this thread:



this was your reply:


Now you're tellng me this:


Do you realize you're saying the same thing as the poster you disagreed with earlier ?

It doesn't matter anyway, I mostly agree with you actually. I don't doubt Tearaway is a good game, just not my thing and it's a good thing if more people get to enjoy it.

There is some sarcasm there you might have missed