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I miss backwards compatibilty
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Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I've got 4 consoles hooked up to my TV and it could really be 1 PS4 or just PS4 and PS3.
BC should be Sony's highest priority just for legacy reasons, but they aren't gonna do it when most people discard and don't care for games 3 weeks old let alone 10/20 years old.
It's a sad state and people only care when those games get Remastered even though the PS4 does how the power to atleast output the game's they already own from the PS2 and PSX era in 720p minimum.
BC should be Sony's highest priority just for legacy reasons, but they aren't gonna do it when most people discard and don't care for games 3 weeks old let alone 10/20 years old.
It's a sad state and people only care when those games get Remastered even though the PS4 does how the power to atleast output the game's they already own from the PS2 and PSX era in 720p minimum.
Black Republican
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recently got an upgraded 60gb > 500gb PS3, so good man
RealityCheque
Banned
One of the main reasons I built my PC.
Happily running my games from SNES to PS1 to Wii.
Happily running my games from SNES to PS1 to Wii.
DoktorEvil
Banned
It really is a sad state of affairs.
PS3 had no excuse for it not to be full BC except to promote rebuying games on PSN. The excuse of the chip set being different I felt was lazy.
You'd think Microsoft would get ahead on Sony and Ninty here and have the XB1 full BC as far back as Xbox days.
I understand these decisions are ultimately business decisions designed to maximize returns, but it screams anti consumer when your company handicaps the means by which gamers can purchase older game libraries.
Only real problem with no backwards compatibility is newer systems need to have games worth buying a system for them to have. Only now are we starting to see this happen. Wonder how many more consoles would have sold if BC were in(or wonder if it would have broken even if the consoles were $100 more than they are now to let this happen, of course this not counting the absolute NO REASON a PS4 can't play PS1 or PS2 digital games).
To be fair, this is also one of the first times people have a vast digital library that then gets locked to "older" systems, so it's been interesting to see people's reactions to this. You'd hope the older systems would have at least dropped in price by now to take some of the sting out of no BC, but no. Talk about having your cake and eating it too... >>
To be fair, this is also one of the first times people have a vast digital library that then gets locked to "older" systems, so it's been interesting to see people's reactions to this. You'd hope the older systems would have at least dropped in price by now to take some of the sting out of no BC, but no. Talk about having your cake and eating it too... >>
Thats the thing tho....and something I wonder about with the next Nintendo console. Do Nintendo keep using the same internal components for continual BC...or do they try to make development for their console parallel with the PS4, XBO?
One of those choices has to give. If its continual BC, expect the same 3rd party situation they have now. If its for better parallel development with PS4, XBO than I feel BC will be gone.
wkureservedp2
Member
I love old games much more in theory than in practice.
Well I did get the latest PS3 for $159 with a deal at Walmart. I think its normally $199. But yea the prices for older system needs to drop quicker. It wasnt worth it tho because that PS3 is cheaply made. Wish Sony had stuck to slot loading. Or I did my research first before buying.
nkarafo
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It really is amazing how you can play any game of any generation if you have a PC. You have DOSBOX for any game from 1982 to 96-97 (whenever the last DOS game was released) and if there's any Windows game that doesn't work with your main OS, there are always solutions you can try, from unofficial patches to playing the game inside a virtual machine with an older OS.
And then you have emulators of almost any system in existence from previous generations. From Channel-F to Nintendo Wii with only a few exceptions (like the OG XBOX).
Additionally, you get other goodies that other services (like VC or PSstore) simply lack. You get nice frontends with lots of features like boxart, cart/cd art, info, snapshots, video previews, etc, everything with a superb presentation (like hyperspin for instance). Also, you get things like CRT shaders and even portable LCD screen shaders like the gameboy screen in RetroArch.
But the best thing is that almost everything is "portable" and easily backed up. After you get a new PC, all you have to do is copy/paste your stuff to the right directory and you are good to go.
And then you have emulators of almost any system in existence from previous generations. From Channel-F to Nintendo Wii with only a few exceptions (like the OG XBOX).
Additionally, you get other goodies that other services (like VC or PSstore) simply lack. You get nice frontends with lots of features like boxart, cart/cd art, info, snapshots, video previews, etc, everything with a superb presentation (like hyperspin for instance). Also, you get things like CRT shaders and even portable LCD screen shaders like the gameboy screen in RetroArch.
But the best thing is that almost everything is "portable" and easily backed up. After you get a new PC, all you have to do is copy/paste your stuff to the right directory and you are good to go.
ANuclearError
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Huh, I thought you were joking, he actually said it.
On topic, I do like the fact that I will be able to play the original Deus Ex and Mankind Divided on the same machine, even at its most finicky it's great to have.
One of the biggest pros to PC gaming. When ever I get a decent enough PC I think multi platform games will be PC for me. Only issue tho is friends n co workers who game on consoles... It will be like it was last gen tho, I got sport games for the PS3, damn near everything else for 360.
electric turd
Banned
Why would you place the ps4 on top of the only fan on the Xbox?
The Albatross
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Disappointingly, Backwards Compatibility was a 'thing' for like one generation in videogame history. Just the PS2 and Wii U, right? Did Wii play Gamecube games?
I'd love to have four systems hooked up at once but it's just not doable with a normal entertainment center, especially with a blu-ray player and my power conditioner plugged in too.
Honestly that's the main reason why I haven't gone to current gen yet. Too many previous gen games to play for me to swap out the PS3 or Xbox One.
Now, many have mentioned the Wii U and I have to say, that's pretty much the perfect system right now. Backwards compatible with the Wii, a good VC library, and it's ideal form factor makes it easy to fit in a cramped entertainment center. PS3 is a close second witb its PS classics, blu-ray capability and media streaming.
Honestly that's the main reason why I haven't gone to current gen yet. Too many previous gen games to play for me to swap out the PS3 or Xbox One.
Now, many have mentioned the Wii U and I have to say, that's pretty much the perfect system right now. Backwards compatible with the Wii, a good VC library, and it's ideal form factor makes it easy to fit in a cramped entertainment center. PS3 is a close second witb its PS classics, blu-ray capability and media streaming.
DoktorEvil
Banned
Yes it did.
The DS lite also was BC up to the OG GameBoy.
3DS is BC back to DS games.
Nintendo is very much pro-BC.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Didn't Nintendo crack down on this?
Yep, Wii played GC-games.
OrbitalBeard
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It could have been handled better but you're literally getting a Wii console inside your Wii U. It's actually pretty great, all things considered.
*Hugs PC*
Wii games on pc are amazing! Project M with HD textures and over 4k downsampling
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Pretty much. I just wish I had the ability to pop a Wii disc in and navigate with the pad, as well as use the pad as an option, with the exception of games that absolutely require the mote.
I jumped on Super Mario 64 the moment I could use the pad. I'm that bad with not wanting to go into Wii mode lol
DoktorEvil
Banned
It expands the library of the console significantly. Would've not bought it if it didn't have a decent VC and BC library.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
It was a big mistake not having it on the Bone and PS4. There's been so many great sales on last gen, who wouldn't want to grab Dragons Dogma, or a cheap Kingdoms of Amalur during a light release period?
I totally agree with this, but the sales of current gen consoles and game remasters don't support it. PS4 and Xbox One sales haven't suffered at all by not having it. And unfortunately, that doesn't give the manufacturers much of a reason to consider it going forward.
Sectorseven
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Atari 7800 was backwards compatible with 2600 and Genesis was compatible with Master System (with an adapter).
PS3 was fully backwards compatible but nobody wanted to pay the premium for that system so it got stripped out.
I barely used it when I had it so the loss of it doesn't bother me.
Vital Tundra
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When your a PC gamer with a 3DS and Wii U as the 3 primary devices, along with a PS3, life is good.
I don't know why anyone would think that. MS has never really given a shit about BC. The 360's BC was pretty half-assed, and then they just sort of gave up on it all together once the 360 took off. Even before we knew for sure that the One and the PS4 weren't going to have BC I kind of figured that MS would just drop the concept.
It's definitely great on PC when I can go between Jedi Acedemy, Tomb Raider 3, Rogue Squadron, Powerslave and GTAIV within like two clicks. They are actually the last five games I've launched from steam, its really helped me appreciate older games when they're so easily accessible.
nkarafo
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What do you mean?
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
I'm glad that Nintendo still has a dedication to it. It's a shame that Sony has moved away from backwards compatability. This is one reason why I think it's silly to get rid of old systems. I still regularly use my PS2.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Not allowing their games to be downloaded for free off the net. I thought Nintendo was fighting it?
I never had a DS, so when I got a 3DS, half the games I bought were DS classics like Spirit Tracks, FF4, Chrono Trigger, TWEWY, and Okamiden.
I never had an Xbox, so when I got a 360, I snatched up Panzer Dragoon Orta, Jade Empire, and Ninja Gaiden Black.
I will always preach the merits of backwards compatibility. They've enabled me to play and become fans of so many games I otherwise was missing out on.
I never had an Xbox, so when I got a 360, I snatched up Panzer Dragoon Orta, Jade Empire, and Ninja Gaiden Black.
I will always preach the merits of backwards compatibility. They've enabled me to play and become fans of so many games I otherwise was missing out on.
Everybody's fighting that, it don't affect people ripping their own collection to their hard-drive and playing it legally.
I miss BC, but I also understand that to either emulate or add separate hardware specifically for PS3/360 just doesn't make financial sense for the PS4 or Xbox One. The jump from Gamecube to Wii was so miniscule when compared to other generation gaps at the time that it was a lot easier for the Wii U to run its last-gen through its hardware.
Seriously, the Wii had a 729 MHz PowerPC CPU, 3.9 GBps video memory bandwidth over 24 + 3 MB of VRAM and 64 MB GDDR3 system RAM to run through the Wii U's hardware.
Seriously, the Wii had a 729 MHz PowerPC CPU, 3.9 GBps video memory bandwidth over 24 + 3 MB of VRAM and 64 MB GDDR3 system RAM to run through the Wii U's hardware.
If I remember right the Wii U has Wii internals in it, not emulated.
PixyJunket
Member
Doesn't the Wii U also natively play GameCube games through a hack/workaround?
They should really open that up to anybody that buys the GameCube controller adapter.
They should really open that up to anybody that buys the GameCube controller adapter.
OrbitalBeard
Member
Correct. Like I said earlier, you are literally getting a Wii inside your Wii U.
scoobidoo112
Member
I never get rid of any console, so I just switch em back and forth.
DoktorEvil
Banned
Eh. People are buying PS4 and XB1's regardless. Today's consumer doesn't care enough about disposable gaming and maintaining a physical game library.
I still have the big PS3. Runs like a beauty. The PS1 BC rarely gets used since the PSP is so moddable.
Ideally I'd like someone to utilize the third party libraries that were in the Xbox/PS2/GC era. I keep my Wii and PS2 just for an excuse to play F Zero/Def Jam Vendetta/NBA Street.
I H8 Memes
Member
With the way people buy remasters you can kiss BC goodbye forever. Damn it feels good to be a PC gamer with 20+ years of backward compatibility!
iceblade997
Member
Cost would be a big reason - look at the original BC PS3s.
On that note, how far is emulation of the 360 / PS3?
Yes.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
It's a very nice convenience feature and allows you to do things like leapfrog into the next gen and have old titles you missed occupy you while waiting for stuff on your new console roll in. Also you have the option to sell our old console to help offset the price of the new one.
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