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Stella has been removed from FFXV; Itamuro writing game; Demo 2 June 9; FFXV not @ E3
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xxdoshiyarovexx
Member
And let me guess, you can't share no one of this skeleton ?
MultiJhonny
Banned
A rational fan.. Get out. You aren't welcomed here.
I do agree with you. Everyone needs a chill pill. Gonna speculate to death
BlazingDarkness
Member
Except you don't, because we barely knew anything about Versus.
And I'd argue FFVX is still extremely ambitious, so your analogy is a bit silly.
People keep stating that Stella was a female strong lead character. You barely ever seen this person outside of a few trailers. She could have been the most emo-centric obnoxious character ever and you wouldn't even have known.
FF community loses their damn mind over everything. They changed a hair style? OMFG i'm done - I am out - I can't take this ARRGGHHH.
FF community loses their damn mind over everything. They changed a hair style? OMFG i'm done - I am out - I can't take this ARRGGHHH.
Which is why you don't announce a game this early. They have no one to blame but themselves. The game was revealed back during the BUSH administration.
Since this game was announced, entire franchises have been created, peaked, and ended. Since the start of the FFvXIII/FFXV project, we've seen the birth of Assassin's Creed, Mass Effect, Dead Space, Borderlands, Portal, Left 4 Dead, The Witcher series, Gears of War, Call of Duty post-Modern Warfare, League of Legends, Minecraft, Batman Arkham series, and countless others.
Over THIRTY Final Fantasy games, spin-offs, sequels, prequels, tie-ins, and crossovers have existed since Noctis first popped up and we're still waiting on him.
When this game was announced, Iron Man and the entire Marvel Cinematic Universe didn't even exist yet. Nor did Twilight, The Hunger Games, the Transformers movies. Since this game was announced, they'll have rebooted Spider-man TWICE.
That's how long people have waited for the game, with nothing OTHER than mental "fan fiction" to tie them over... And it's entirely their fault for wasting so much time on so much that, ultimately, is getting scrapped anyway.
Good lord, I feel like I'm the only one that remembers when, about four or five years after the reveal, they proudly announced their CLOTHING brand designs and tie-in deals were done... and even those changed.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
its easy to romanticize something that could have been when what we are getting seems like shite (based on that awful demo)
MagnaderAlpha
Member
Damn you FFIX, you could've been good:
Well, since FFXV is "different", think they've abandoned the whole FNC shit? I actually wouldn't mind if they just ditched that shit and aimed for a new "mythology". Sure, Etro is in the logo, but they could just rename her something else. "She's not Etro... she's Somna, the sleeping goddess!".
MultiJhonny
Banned
Its sadly not just FF fans. Its gaming fans in general, over ever single change made, good or bad. DOWNGRADE HERE, DOWNGRADE THERE!! Or why did you change that???
it gets annoying
Bro, I'm not defending Square-Enix's failure to deliver the Versus project. They failed, hard, and they made a lot of mistakes.
However they are trying their best to deliver a good product with FFXV. I played and loved the demo. I've loved the concepts, the characters, the music, and the battle system.
So I refuse to join the bitter bandwagon like 90% of the people on this thread. I will judge the game depending on what I see, and what I play, not depending on what "it used to be".
Damn you FFIX, you could've been good:
Hahahaha! Great post. XD
To be honest, that's entirely SE's fault for unveiling the game as early as 2006.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Eh, I honestly didn't even realize Stella and Luna were different characters.
I'm eager and excited to play FFXV, but it's clear it's different animal than FFversusXIII. Not saying XV is worse or anything like that, but I can't help but wonder what Nomura's actual vision with Versus would have been like if we got to see it in it's final, retail form.
Now, I hope they fix Cid cause her outfit's frankly ridiculous.
I'm eager and excited to play FFXV, but it's clear it's different animal than FFversusXIII. Not saying XV is worse or anything like that, but I can't help but wonder what Nomura's actual vision with Versus would have been like if we got to see it in it's final, retail form.
Now, I hope they fix Cid cause her outfit's frankly ridiculous.
Emperor Bohe
Member
i can leave this thread happy
theofficefan99
Junior Member
Damn you FFIX, you could've been good:
Well, since FFXV is "different", think they've abandoned the whole FNC shit? I actually wouldn't mind if they just ditched that shit and aimed for a new "mythology". Sure, Etro is in the logo, but they could just rename her something else. "She's not Etro... she's Somna, the sleeping goddess!".
It's still a Fabula Nova Crystallis game.
dragonzdogma
Member
"mental fan fiction" hmmm? "mental fan fiction"
LeFou, I'm afraid I've been thinking
Lefou: A dangerous pastime
Gaston: I know.
But that whacky old coot is Belle's father
And his sanity's only "so-so"
Now the wheels in my head have been turning
Since I looked at that loony, old man
See, I've promised myself I'd be married to Belle
And right now I'm evolving a plan
Gaston:
If I . . . (whisper)
LeFou:
Yes?
Gaston:
Then we . . . (whisper)
LeFou:
No! Would she . . .
Gaston:
(whisper) Guess!
LeFou:
Now I get it!
Both:
Let's go!
No one plots like Gaston
Gaston:
Takes cheap shots like Gaston
GASTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe not anymore since the whole change up in 2014.
That's understandable. But Versus was rebooted because it was not working. That's it. FFXV is also taking its sweet time, but at least we actually know something about the game each year instead of being kept in the dark E3 after E3 after E3 during the Versus days.
People seem to forget those were dark times. Literally.
Oh, and Cidney is not Cid. She is Cid's daughter. We have yet to see FFXV's Cid design.
Gentleman Jack
Member
Yabberwocky
Member
I'm genuinely saddened to loose what we saw of that Stella/Noctis dynamic from the earlier trailers, it was a really refreshing twist on the two leads. Stella felt like a bit of a lovechild between Rinoa and Ashe, so I hope that Luna isn't too dissimilar. The loss of Nojima and Akiyama sting quite a bit, too.
I hope it all comes together, though. I'll try not to judge until Gamescom. Repressing all judgemental urges. Repressing. Repressing.
I hope it all comes together, though. I'll try not to judge until Gamescom. Repressing all judgemental urges. Repressing. Repressing.
MagnaderAlpha
Member
Ditto on this! I love the demo and the changes made for the 2.0 version seems awesome. It's still, basically, the game I've imagined since Square(be it Nomura or those after) described a world that melds modern with medieval and fantasy with technology. What little I've seen and experience blows away everything FFXIII has thrown at me.
Remember, "Don't believe Tabata's lies!".
And besides, it doesn't have to be a FNC game if it doesn't want to be. Am I right?
BlazingDarkness
Member
The problem with this line of thinking is that 'this game' isn't the same game which was announced in 2006. Yes it's a huge problem they basically scrapped and started the project several times (changing engines, changing platforms etc) but the product we're going to get (and have a glimpse of with Duscae) is fundamentally different to the original thing they revealed. It's clear with the rebranding to FFXV SE are selling this as something entirely different, so in terms of development cycle, it's best to push the reset button from that point onwards imo, especially in terms of expectations.
Muffdraul
Member
Exactly. As far as I'm concerned, the only time to announce/unveil a game is when it's far enough along that you can realistically and somewhat firmly estimate a release date. Nobody needs more than a year to market their new game. In fact make that six months. That would go a long way to prevent the public from seeing things they're never going to get. It really sucks to fall in love with previews only to get a pale shadow of them years later. Halo 2, Bioshock Infinite, I'm looking at you.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Stella will always remain as my favourite design.....and I'm not liking the point about changing the story :/
I suggest you do not miss that "dynamic" just yet. Remember, we know almost nothing about Luna. She may have a similar dynamic with Noctis. Or maybe not. We cannot know for sure yet.
JuanLatino
Member
wasn't lighnting also a strong woman character?? i don't need to explain how much gaf hates her
From the first Day this game was reintroduced as FF15, people were searching for things to critizise this game and they will never stop
Action RPG? This is not a FF Game - this is DMC meets Uncharted
More tactis in the gameplay ? But we want that Action RPG ala Kingdom Hearts back
Only Guys in the group, even tough we knew this since 8 Years?
Noctis looks like a Jpop Sasuke Emoboy - Well welcome to Final Fantasy
These people aren't sharing any information on this game....its dead?
They share too much information on this Game...
No stella....This game won't have the same deep relationship and characterdevelopment, that versus was going to have
From the first Day this game was reintroduced as FF15, people were searching for things to critizise this game and they will never stop
Action RPG? This is not a FF Game - this is DMC meets Uncharted
More tactis in the gameplay ? But we want that Action RPG ala Kingdom Hearts back
Only Guys in the group, even tough we knew this since 8 Years?
Noctis looks like a Jpop Sasuke Emoboy - Well welcome to Final Fantasy
These people aren't sharing any information on this game....its dead?
They share too much information on this Game...
No stella....This game won't have the same deep relationship and characterdevelopment, that versus was going to have
Megidolaon
Member
For me, it's not just Luna's different hairstyle. It's the fact that she looks more like a "cute little sister" version of Stella. And if she is indeed the love interest, it's kinda weird that they felt the need to make her look younger (like 16, 17) when Noctis is supposed to be mid-20's, especially considering they look the same age in Versus! It just feels...unnecessary.
We didn't know much about Stella either and I didn't have any particular attachment to her, but she seemed sort of an unwilling rival, and fights Noctis and seemed to be his equal. Whereas Luna appears to be the girl for Noctis to "protect."
If I'm wrong about Luna when the final game comes out, fine. But based on the last few FF main females, Serah/Rem, I don't think it's unreasonable for FF fans who didn't like those heroines to be worried about Luna, given that her mannerisms appear very similar.
We didn't know much about Stella either and I didn't have any particular attachment to her, but she seemed sort of an unwilling rival, and fights Noctis and seemed to be his equal. Whereas Luna appears to be the girl for Noctis to "protect."
If I'm wrong about Luna when the final game comes out, fine. But based on the last few FF main females, Serah/Rem, I don't think it's unreasonable for FF fans who didn't like those heroines to be worried about Luna, given that her mannerisms appear very similar.
Oh I totally agree with that. They failed on a massive level. I'm just saying that shit happens, shit changes. We know next to nothing about how Versus ultimately would have turned out. It makes no sense to act like it was this amazing thing that they've ruined since rolling the project over into FFXV.
Bravo! Well said.
But I don't understand this line of thinking. What about Luna makes her appear as a "girl for Noctis to protect"?
Let's type what we actually know of Luna:
*She's a noblewoman from Tenebrae.
*She survived Niflheim's attack and attempt on her life (She seems to have been a main target, since the news mention her apparent "death").
*She has been entrusted with something important (The ring?) to give to Noctis.
*She's at Accordo, waiting for Noctis and crew in order to give them the important stuff.
I mean... Nothing of that even remotely says "damsel in distress" or "girl in need of rescue" to me....
To me this seems one of those cases when one person says one thing, another person repeats it, and after some time you have a bunch of people repeating the same thing without even thinking about it.
Let's be honest with ourselves for a moment, if SE wanted people to judge this game for his own merits as some of you are saying they could have scrapped everything and start anew with a new cast, systems, setting, etc...
But no, they want to ride the hype that has been building since the day they announced Versus XIII
so I don't blame the fans, who have been waiting for such a long time for SE to deliver after being teased countless of times, to get all hot and bothered if they perceive that the product they are going to receive looks nothing like the initial trailers/press material/teasers, etc...
If people is mad about the changes I only blame SE and not the fanbase tbh
But no, they want to ride the hype that has been building since the day they announced Versus XIII
and probably they don't want to waste some of the assets that they already worked... maybe?
If people is mad about the changes I only blame SE and not the fanbase tbh
MagnaderAlpha
Member
When we "did" have Stella, people were complaining how her looks kept changing. Basically, when we still HAD her, people weren't happy. LOL!
Best, yes, but people can't, or won't, do that.
Duke Nukem Forever changed engines TWICE, changed story, changed setting, but it was, and continues to be, Duke Nukem Forever, as one troubled entity.
You cannot separate the Versus XIII from Final Fantasy XV. It's part of it's history, if not its very DNA.
the_sun_king
Member
FF fanbase never knows what the fuck it wants, which is why I want the XV team to just make the game they want to make to the best of their abilities.
EatinOlives
Member
This is why you don't announce games too early.
People in here are freaking the fuck out over large changes in a game that happen extremely frequently with long-term projects like these. Nothing about the changes that are happening is surprising. Just look at any game that took around this long to come out and see how each time the game underwent several major overhauls.
People in here are freaking the fuck out over large changes in a game that happen extremely frequently with long-term projects like these. Nothing about the changes that are happening is surprising. Just look at any game that took around this long to come out and see how each time the game underwent several major overhauls.
Whatever happened in the past, things didn't work. The changes were necessary and they felt that it was for the best. That's all that matters to me.
They could have made the most unbelievable concept of a game and it doesn't mean a thing if it doesn't release.
I'll just take FFXV for what it is when it's released and not what it was as a concept.
They could have made the most unbelievable concept of a game and it doesn't mean a thing if it doesn't release.
I'll just take FFXV for what it is when it's released and not what it was as a concept.
Lol. You are bringing up facts from what she does and what she doesn't completely disregarding her appereance, how she acts and behaves and how her portrayal has changed from XV trailers compared to Versus XIII trailers. People have brought up countless details in this very thread.
I think you keep repeating your own stuff without thinking instead of the other way around.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
A mainline FF that went through a decade of development hell? The game was doomed to have a polarizing reaction. Be glad that some people are venting in advance.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
People are making up stuff about Luna in the exact same way that they were making stuff up about Stella.
Reality check: You know nothing about this character yet. You know how she looks, and how she gestures in one moment.
Reality check: You know nothing about this character yet. You know how she looks, and how she gestures in one moment.
Her appearance? So now you are going to judge her role in the game, her actions, her dialogues, etc, on how she looks?
And do I have to remind you that Stella is not Luna? Because you seem to believe so according to the bolded.
Exactly. People bitching about Luna are ridiculous, really.
But, like, we saw 10 seconds of Luna. That's nowhere near enough to extrapolate her being a damsel in distress especially when Stella had a very similar design in 2013.
It's a bit presumptuous right now.
Werewolf Jones
Member
Nomura is truly out. I suppose it gets better before it gets worse and none of this news sounds very enticing to me. The demo product looked quality but IDK about all of this.
And_Gignac
Member
FFXV will be a guaranteed mess.
Thank God for Persona 5 and Xenoblade X.
Thank God for Persona 5 and Xenoblade X.
You deserve a medal.
"B-b-but she does that japanese hand gesture! That must mean she's weak, right?"