It's not. Same publisher though.
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E3 2015 Predictions & Discussion thread
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Swarming101
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To be honest all I really want from E3 is a solid gameplay trailer for Mirror's Edge, like that playthrough trailer of the Prologue level of OG Mirror's Edge. Anything else is a bonus.
If Fable Legends is worthy of note then Tearaway is as well. But yeah, other than that not much.
Swarming101
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Yeah, though we did get Bloodborne which is an obvious GOTY contender.
MCC wasn't a 343i game. It was distributed under the 343i banner but they played no part in its production, aside from marketing and post-release stuff.
The team actually making games in 343i has been dormant since 2012and since their first outing (84+ on Metacritic), I think most would expect their next game to be even better.
Halo 4 gets a lot of hate on herebut it's my favourite Halo and I'm it's a lot of others favourite too.
Primethius
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It's an argument made primarily to exclude non-Fall games. Because MS's offering for the rest of the year are pretty much non-existent.
It's the typical exclusionary bullshit you see with other arguments that seek to exclude indie games or Japanese games or what have you to prop up the XB1 library while downplaying PS4's.
Yeah, absolutely. Will be interesting to see if Sony are pushing it as part of their holiday lineup though, perhaps through bundles or something.
StrongBlackVine
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Tomb Raider is not first party.
Final Verdict
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Microsoft will probably have more than 3 1st party games this year, though just speculation on my part-- Halo 5, Fable Legends, Forza 6, gears remastered, Rare game, Press Play game & Twisted pixel game.
I think that is the list of possible games for their 1st party this year.
Anyways, I don't think Microsoft is the reason people complain about Sony's 1st party. I think they complain because they got spoiled with years like 2013 when they got a ton of 1st party stuff, and now want that for every year.
Nope, but it's a holiday exclusive—and since we're talking about
StrongBlackVine
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Not when you responded to a comment about first party production.
Crimson_Gold
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Then you have to list all of the Japanese games for Sony and that makes things much more comparable. Hell, some would say Sony wins once you do that. Of course this is all subject to taste, preferences, etc
Yup. Corrected that. However, to the consumer, there is no difference between a first-party produced game and a console exclusive. Either way, Microsoft gets the sale.
DryvBy
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- God of War III Remastered lol
- Uncharted Remaster lol
- Until Dawn
- Tearaway Unfolded
And then we have to beg the question as to what has came out before today on XB1 as First-Party?
It's almost like team MS-only were tired of being wrong with the argument "Sony doesn't have exclusives" and moved onto "Sony doesn't have first-party".
...ok. Sure. Why not.
Nightengale
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That's not the discussion here.
Three of those are console ports though. At least Microsoft is putting out some original content. This year has been sparse for exclusives so far (save Bloodborne).
So why are we discussing first-party lineups? Are we discussing the internal performance of Microsoft and Sony's development teams or the variety of exclusive games that are on sale?
Newtype-001
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If you're changing to holiday exclusive lineup and not 1st party like the comment you were replying to was talking about then there are several ps4 exclusives which are not being accounted for.
I'm not changing anything. I misread the post and corrected it. What AAA Xbox One/PS4 exclusives are we talking? I can't think of any off the top of my head that have released so far this year.
Exactly. Consumers don't care who or where the game was produced—just where they can actually buy it.
lighthouse777
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I am just curious what else Bethesda has for E3
as they have announced Doom and Fallout 4
Pete said on twitter ''you anit seen nothing yet'' referring to E3
that might be Fallout 4 he is referring to
the reason I bring this up
is this
http://store.bethsoft.com/collectibles/statues/dragonborn-life-size-bust-deposit.html
which come out Q2 2016
why this when Skyrim came out in 2011?
as they have announced Doom and Fallout 4
Pete said on twitter ''you anit seen nothing yet'' referring to E3
that might be Fallout 4 he is referring to
the reason I bring this up
is this
http://store.bethsoft.com/collectibles/statues/dragonborn-life-size-bust-deposit.html
which come out Q2 2016
why this when Skyrim came out in 2011?
Nightengale
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Order 1886 ( yes, it counts just like how Ryse, Knack, Kinect Sports & Shadowfall counts)
Bloodborne
MBL15
StrongBlackVine
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The Order 1886 is an AAA production and MLB The Show 15 is as much of an AAA game as Forza 6.
Why wouldn't The Order count? I'd say its selling power is probably above the others you cited there.
Yep.
And potential the game of the generation in Persona 5. PS4 lineup looks good enough to me.
Primethius
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Actually, NPD and sales data has shown that's not actually the case.
Nightengale
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Not citing you, but there's people who are quick to dismiss Order as a release just because it's not a good game.
It's true across the board. Kinect Sports Rivals gets dismissed as a 'AAA' game at times because it's a Kinect game, and not a 'traditional game.'
Basically goalpost shifting. It's an annoying factor when discussing stuff like this. =/
-Dishonored 2.
-A remaster of the original Dishonored and possibly one of Fallout 3 + New Vegas or Skryim.
I guess if it's a $60 retail title, that's probably how it'll be categorised. At least for now.
I think it's fair to say Sony has had the stronger AAA lineup in the earlier part of the year, whilst Microsoft is looking to have the stronger AAA lineup in the latter part of the year.
Newtype-001
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You were talking about AAA? But you listed fable legends? Your comment before you realised your mistake was in reference to holiday 2015 exclusive lineup, but now changed to 2015 AAA lineup? So now im confused.
Totally forgot about Persona 5 as well.
If that makes it for this year, for me it'll be one of the best years ever for gaming.
At least someone stood up for Xbox.
Not saying you are a fan, just that you are aware about it, no matter what platform you choose.
plot twist: XBO owner
Well, to be honest, most of people didn't realized it until Sony take a public announcement. And now there is a lot of people thinking they won't even announce much at E3.
And, if you see at neogaf, the majority of posts/threads are about Sony or PS4. Even when about bugs. Soooo... If you want to be loved, you also get hated.
Well, I own all three systems so I kinda have agnostic authority on this one!
How is Fable Legends not a AAA game?
StrongBlackVine
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Those comments by House were so unnecessary.
lighthouse777
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remaster of fallout 3 and Skyrim and Oblivion I would like
Well, that's a tough one. It's free-to-play, right? It certainly feels like a AAA game, production-wise, if that makes any sense.
Nightengale
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Another point on MS's cap for their holiday line-up, is well... MS's offerings are more popular, both in franchise power and genre type.
Halo, Gears, Forza. FPS, TPS, Sim Racer.
Until Dawn, Tearaway, Uncharted. Adventure Story. Platformer. TPS.
3 popular IPs in popular genres, vs 1 popular IP, 1 new IP, and 1 IP that bombed because Vita. And 1 popular genre with 2 less popular ones.
At a numbers game, it's not as if Sony has significantly less games this fall. But it's just a lot less sexy compared to when it was 'Halo 5' vs 'Uncharted 4' vs 'Legend of Zelda'
Newtype-001
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iMax was using the $60 metric for what should be considered a AAA game so i thought it was weird when fable legends is f2p.
I envy you. Wish I could...
Planning on buying it when in Europe.
Impossible here in Brazil -.-
BlazingDarkness
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I hope it plays like 3rd Birthday, but without the absolute garbage storyline and writing. 3rd Birthday is a lot of fun!
There isn't really a metric anymore. Distribution and content has changed so much recently; the categorisation is much more fluid and therefore much less comparable.
DryvBy
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Darksiders 2 Remaster wouldn't count but that's another exclusive to current-gen, no matter how lame it is.
These requirements to count are getting harder to come by.
MS games in development are just coming to fruition this year, but I think next year Sony's will be.
Do we really think Gears of War will be this year. I don' think it's been in development that long. I'm also dubious of Tomb Raider getting released this year. I reckon it'll stay on course for 2015 and then slip at the last minute.
Do we really think Gears of War will be this year. I don' think it's been in development that long. I'm also dubious of Tomb Raider getting released this year. I reckon it'll stay on course for 2015 and then slip at the last minute.
The production value is the only thing that matters when it comes to describing games as "AAA".
Lionhead is a fairly huge studio, and it is mainly focusing on FL right now. Legends is definitely a AAA game. Whether it's going to be a great game or not is still up for debate.
LH also has an incubation team that is working on a new IP, but it's still a small team AFAIK.
Ah. Fair point then.
Ultimate Edition is most likely coming this year. They're only porting over Gears 1, so it shouldn't be that difficult or take too much time.
Gears 4 is most likely going to be MS' big fall game next year.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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This is absolutely not true. The unified UI - what literally brings the whole package together was developed completely in-house. Under the hood this includes major systems such as campaign playlists, save file management, campaign management, user content management, and matchmaking systems, including both dedicated server and P2P code. And of course the UI for all these systems. They also completely manage multiplayer playlists and their settings in-house as well.
That said, the team the developed the universal UI and put the games disparate pieces together is a relatively small side-team that largely did not overlap with the Halo 5 Guardians team (who is working off of completely different multiplayer code on all levels, so the matchmaking issues shouldn't be present). Even beyond that its issues are irrelevant to H5G, as they largely stem from an apparently all to brief dev. cycle, no less than four developers working on the project at once, and the sheer complexity of the project mixing together to form a major clusterfuck.
Nightengale
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It's just a remaster of one game. It'll be this year.
Also, there's almost no chance of TR getting delayed. Square has been telling investors it's a holiday game. What you tell investors are the stuff you don't want to fuck up the most.
What a load of BS. Halo 5 will have major pull, because at the end of the day its Halo.
And your UC4 comparison is moot as it is not releasing this holiday.
Final Verdict
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The definition of an AAA game has become increasingly diluted...
Anyways, it is just as AAA as something like forza horizon or Kinect sports. Having a F2P model just make a it harder to identify as AAA....Same thing with Project Spark.
DryvBy
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It's not that difficult. If it's a Microsoft exclusive, it's AAA.
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