One of Xenosaga's developers simply stated that he'd love to do an HD Remaster of them but the company needed clear and present data that would suggest it'd be worth the cash required to make it happen. A fan campaign launched, to only modestly "loud" success IMO.
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Sony is Building a Hostage Crisis!!!!! (List of Games to Kickstarter)
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One of Xenosaga's developers simply stated that he'd love to do an HD Remaster of them but the company needed clear and present data that would suggest it'd be worth the cash required to make it happen. A fan campaign launched, to only modestly "loud" success IMO.
ChasingComets
Member
I've read the rules before, but really, saying you're an investor is hyperbolic just based on the potential rewards; your contribution falls in very grey legal territory if anything adverse happens. (The fact it's called a "pledge" is a massive hint) There are cases like the beef jerky incident where everything gets resolved neatly before it got funded, but there are an equal amount of cases where funded people just never delivered on their project goals.
This. Also Dark Cloud/Chronicle.
vpance
Member
We front some of the money and they make a game within expectations based on interest.
Or they front all the money, hope it sells at least X amount of copies to break even, otherwise the IP is basically dead and no one touches it ever again. It's a funding strategy that's perfectly suited for niche games.
Or they front all the money, hope it sells at least X amount of copies to break even, otherwise the IP is basically dead and no one touches it ever again. It's a funding strategy that's perfectly suited for niche games.
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
I don't think Sony would kickstart their own IPs as this clearly states it's third party relations cause otherwise, Sony...
Hades Hotgun
Banned
Murayama needs a kickstarter for a new Psuedo - Suikoden.
We can nickname it Pseudokoden.
Please.
Please.
We can nickname it Pseudokoden.
Please.
Please.
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
No issues with this whatsoever and I will back the projects that I'm interested in.
Honestly, I prefer this approach than projects that don't have any conditional funding lined up before they go to Kickstarter with unrealistic budgets.
Honestly, I prefer this approach than projects that don't have any conditional funding lined up before they go to Kickstarter with unrealistic budgets.
BladeoftheImmortal
Member
asking fans to buy a game already being made for the chance of maybe getting the sequel they really wanted is a hostage situation. Giving the fans direct access and ability to fund (at least to some small degree) the sequel they've always wanted is empowerment to me.
And I rarely back anything on kickstarter. I've backed wasteland 2 and now this. Games that wouldn't have been made without the kickstarter being successful. It's not a hostage situation. It allows fans to actually, you know, make the games they have wanted.
If there aren't enough of us out there, we'll soon realize it by the game not being funded.
At least I won't ever have to buy a game front the same dev team ever again in the hopes they'll be allowed to do the sequel I want.
gamechanger87
Member
I feel like all of these kickstarted games may be way lower production quality and indie centric than the games people want to be recreated.
The budgets for these games will be tiny as they are a nostalgia play with minimal ability to move a massive amount of units.
Sony may lead a KS to offset costs but you aren't getting a AA gsme here. The money isn't there for it. I wouldn't be surprised to see that Shenmue 3s only getting maybe a few million from Sony other than marketing support. Publishers know that they need to limit expenses because these games will struggle to cover production costs.
The budgets for these games will be tiny as they are a nostalgia play with minimal ability to move a massive amount of units.
Sony may lead a KS to offset costs but you aren't getting a AA gsme here. The money isn't there for it. I wouldn't be surprised to see that Shenmue 3s only getting maybe a few million from Sony other than marketing support. Publishers know that they need to limit expenses because these games will struggle to cover production costs.
SolidSnakex
Member
Exactly. If you personally have a problem with it, then don't fund the game. Wait until it is funded and released and then buy it. But if someone wants to help fund something like Panzer Dragoon Saga's remake (you hear that, Gio? *wink*), then what exactly is the problem with that? That's something that no one has even attempted to explain. What's the problem with people funding what they want?
Jawmuncher
Member
Hopefully if Dino crisis shows, my efforts here weren't for naught.
Well I know that none of the money would go into their bank account, that isn't what I'm saying. I just think it's a little weird that they'd turn to the fanbase for funding of all these projects. Shouldn't they be doing it themselves if they know people are interested? Typically, the purpose of a crowd funding campaign is to generate money because you don't have it, right?
Hades Hotgun
Banned
Verendus made reference to it, if I am not mistaken.
But he has stated before that not everything he teases actually comes to be.
Infernostew
Member
I've been saying this for years that companies should be going this for localizations that were rotting in japan. I'm all for them gauging interest in small or old IPs through kickstarter.
I know about MAV, I backed it when it was on kickstarter. And there's a new front mission being made? By the Chromehound's producer? Wah?
In this situation, my choices are as follows:
Supporting the Kickstarter for a publisher that can reasonably afford it without my money and pay for a glorified pre-order before I even see the fucking game
or
Not support the Kickstarter and never see the franchise again
Just because it's a lesser of two evils doesn't make it not despicable. Every Kickstarter becomes a potential Colonial Marines, expect it's a pre-order I can't revoke later on. Once it's funded, they've locked me in, and I have no means to revoke that support if it ends up being less than what I expected.
Erh what? Most people just want to play the games they want. They don't care who fund the game and only a few just want to nitpick it.
PdotMichael
Banned
Sure, that worked well for Shenmue for the last 15 years.
Agreed.
Of course these publishers would say it's just to "gauge interest" when it's really nothing more than saving them some money.
But that's the plan. It's what they're doing for Shenmue. They're using kickstarter to gauge public interest. I'd rather these games get made than not.
I like the way you think. Hated the cliffhanger from ZX Advent's secret ending.
Infernostew
Member
Megawarrior
Member
Hopefully Jurassic World (and other dinosaur games) success gets that ball rolling
I can certainly see them announcing new kickstarter projects at E3 2016. Their conference is the best place to advertise them
I'd love to see whatever Kojima will do once he's done with MGS 5 being kickstarted; but I think he can get funding on his own.
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I don't really know what I'd want that would need kickstarter.
I'd love to see whatever Kojima will do once he's done with MGS 5 being kickstarted; but I think he can get funding on his own.
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I don't really know what I'd want that would need kickstarter.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Oh that is not true. If the publisher knows the game is profitable, and said fans purchased it enough for sales, they are not going to toss it's sequel on KSer. That will cost them more in the end.
They will just go forward with production and reap the profits from said fans as they do now.
Now if sales did not warrant direct funding for a sequel (let's say like The Order), then KSer would be great for the cult following to get their sequel, which would have otherwise never have been made.
Mysterious
Banned
Can Sony make me a new Metroid pls.
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
Ice cold.
Plague Doctor
Member
Just popping in to throw my support behind this practice. I think in some ways it is better as it spells out the project and their stated and stretch goals. I am all for giving it a chance and backing the projects I am interested in.
MastaKilla
Member
SOCOM community we gotta get in on this!!
matrixman92
Member
ur just gonna have to go ahead and change that avatar
Look at my history I objected vehemently to their announcing a kickstarter for Shenmue as well. They are a publisher. IMO, If they like a game and want to support it they should find it themselves not exploit their position and consumer loyalty/fan base to jumpstart a kickstarter. Massive publishers have no business sponsoring kickstarter campaigns it is total bullshit.
It's not like this approach can work with everything.
It only applies to really selected titles/series with a dedicated fanbase where it's proven that it is not possible to make the project become reality in any other way.
Gamers are not so exploitable
They know what they want.
Also without a real publisher to fund most of the development it's impossible to raise enough funds to make a AAA title anyway. A few millions is nothing.
But if they're looking at other projects to fund in this way with the help of gamers they should go after some old Lucas games.
Monkey Island 5 is a great candidate after Shenmue.
It only applies to really selected titles/series with a dedicated fanbase where it's proven that it is not possible to make the project become reality in any other way.
Gamers are not so exploitable
They know what they want.Also without a real publisher to fund most of the development it's impossible to raise enough funds to make a AAA title anyway. A few millions is nothing.
But if they're looking at other projects to fund in this way with the help of gamers they should go after some old Lucas games.
Monkey Island 5 is a great candidate after Shenmue.
None at all.
Nobody has to back anything that they do not want to.
This mentality is mind numbing.
For some things it makes sense but for others not so much. For instance Parappa, someone mentioned earlier, the rights to Parappa are complex and probably cost a significant amount of money. The question there is "Do people care enough about Parappa in 2015 to spend on obtaining the rights" I would imagine that a KS would get it down to a much lower threshold where it would be a no brainer.
It's really no different than something like Wasteland 2, the only difference is that no publisher was attached to that game.
dragonflys545
Member
Legend of Dragoon 2... OMG
PdotMichael
Banned
Companies can exploit me so much they want if I can get a full price title for $30.
Evil Sony is best Sony.
At this point I would settle with a Kickstarter to buy the Metroid franchise from Nintendo.