Prototype Viktor
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Other than platform holder fee but they probably negotiate down or not the % depending now how much help they do
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Sony is Building a Hostage Crisis!!!!! (List of Games to Kickstarter)
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Yeah same.
The funny thing is Yukes is still around thanks to all the wrestling games they've worked on in the last decade. Would love to see them revisit this. Heck, even a remake with cell shaded modern graphics would be nice.
Still think the opening is awesome as ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPw_6K7Bn3Q
Ghost Slayer
Member
Primethius
Banned
Well, I don't mind being a hostage in this situation at all.
Better to have the game then not I say.
Better to have the game then not I say.
Prototype Viktor
Member
Basically this kickstart thing to revive the dead should it work only needs to be done once per franchise
Bioshocker
Member
I'd back Jet Set Radio 3.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
If people are foolish enough to pay then why shouldn't they? I mean they would probably like to release every game with less risks if possible. Not that I'm complaining. People seem to like the way Shenmue 3 was handled and I'm still getting the game they're paying for so it's all good.
Justice_Bolt
Member
Legend of Dragoon.
Edit: Of course also Crash Bandicoot reboot
Edit: Of course also Crash Bandicoot reboot
Bitch Pudding
Member
This really is an interesting thread.
Half of the people see their dreams come true.
The other half sees their nightmares come true.
What a funny day.
Half of the people see their dreams come true.
The other half sees their nightmares come true.
What a funny day.
aygomyownroad
Member
You know what Sony if your listening...
Point Blank and a light gun... I would buy a ps4
Point Blank and a light gun... I would buy a ps4
Black Pewter
Member
As long as I can revive dormant IPs while paying less than half the price I would pay for a game these days I'm all for it.
Also, Gio/Shuhei, look at my avy. Please.
Also, Gio/Shuhei, look at my avy. Please.
I want to address this particular comment because the two points about risk aversion causing either stagnation leading to an inevitable collapse or a market correction wherein risk becomes more acceptable is true, but that using Kickstarter to see if there is a market for a game is the market correcting to make risk more acceptable.
The issues the gaming industry has to do specifically with the amount of money customers are willing to pay up front. The majority of customers are unwilling to pay at the prices needed to sell a video game at. This is why the gaming industry focuses on those willing to pay upfront and to pay for extra content in the games. This is why pre-orders are pushed, DLC and microtransactions are made, and why game companies hunt the whales. The people who buy used games and don't buy DLC or microtransactions may as well not exist to publishers because they aren't paying publishers money. People who buy Humble Bundles for $1 are practically giving pennies to the developers. These people are not customers a developer can make money off of but are becoming all too prevalent in the gaming industry. Using Kickstarter in this way is also focusing on people willing to pay for upfront as well. Given how much funding the Shenmue III Kickstarter has gotten and how many people paid into it, the game would cost $80 as that is the average amount that 40,000 people paid for it. In reality, half of those people paid $29, enough to ensure they got a copy of the game.
To be fair, this could end up being misused... but on a personal level, Kickstarters have been getting me various game related things that I actually want to buy. I mean, both the microconsole and VR came about as things because of Kickstarters proving there is a market for them. In addition, it's also getting me games on PCs and console that interest me as a gamer from both indies and from larger developers who have a history behind them, and now it's done the impossible in making Shenmue III a reality. Again, while this could end up being misused, I'm not going to question it so long as I'm still benefiting from it with games I want. You could call it me being greedy as a customer, but I like to think of it as enlightened self-interest.
PdotMichael
Banned
Primethius
Banned
You know that you'll have to pay for the game too right? And most of the kickstarter tiers include a Shenmue 3 copy of the game.
panda-zebra
Member
Just looking at the thread title (the original one, lol) I told myself no, that Shenmue III was a special case and that was that. Of course, inside I was already #buildingthelist along with almost everyone else.
Now I come back to the thread and see these kinds of games being mentioned (in amongst the silliness) I have to be honest with myself - while I might not be willing to throw $300 in the direction of games like those, I won't lie and pretend I wouldn't support them full stop.
If it helps bring back games or genres that no longer seem to make sense financially, and if it can be conducted in an open and fair manner, I can see myself rethinking my attitude to kickstarter and look forward to games that have no right to exist in 2015 and beyond.
Paying for the game as in paying for the development. Nobody knows what kind of game they're getting when they put money down for Shenmue 3 right now. It's 2 and half years away at least. Something unexpected might happen. It might suck. It might even be cancelled. I just have found out that waiting for the final product I have more information on which to base my purchase decision. I also realize that my opinion would probably be different if Shenmue 3 was something I'd anticipated for a decade. Not that it doesn't expect to other games. I had big hopes for Kickstarter when it started and I do realize it has given us some games that we wouldn't have gotten otherwise but I'm not ready to take risk that belongs to publishers while they reap the real benefits.
Theonik
Member
That's a stretchgoal.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Honestly? I'm not even mad. Sure, it's going to kind of fuck with indies to an extent, and there should probably be measures made to give indies their own platform on Kickstarter, but as long as this is Sony trying to resurrect once-dead IPs, I'm all for it. Especially if the IPs aren't their own.
StarlordDial
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Will.... Will that .. Dog be mine if i gave u muh munnies demonite-chan ;_;
alexandros
Banned
Personally, I'm not entirely sure that's the case. And I think it is less about naivety and more about brand loyalty. I very much agree with your other point that the end result is positive.
THE Caffeinated
Member
Jade Empire 2.
marvelharvey
Member
I wish GAF was around in 1989. I'd love to have seen the negativity when the Berlin Wall came down.
Primethius
Banned
Okay, but what does this have to do with "being foolish enough to pay" exactly?
Or is this is a continuation of the stupid "don't pre-order" notion.
Theonik
Member
It's funny that you mention that.
http://www.spiegel.de/international...nification-the-germans-are-back-a-648364.html
It's getting kind of embarrassing,really... Other websites are beginning to talk about us :/
I mean, a game that people are begging for 14 years finally gets released, and suddenly lots of salty people are throwing random negativity at it...
Seriously? All of games in the world you have to choose AC and CoD
I just randomly picked them as examples lol.
Chaos2Frozen
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"Competition is good!"
Sephiroth_GR_
Member
LMAO! people suddenly discoved that humans use value-exchange. SHOCKING NEWS!
IMO the kickstarter was used in order to determine the budget of the game in relation to the demand.
When a publisher is making a game (especially a new IP) they don't know what the ratio of budget/investment should be in relation to the demand of the consumers.
There was a big demand for Shenmue 3 and the numbers show it. There must be other IPs that people are willing to pay and Kickstarter is a valuable test platform to determine the demand in relation to the budget.
IMO the kickstarter was used in order to determine the budget of the game in relation to the demand.
When a publisher is making a game (especially a new IP) they don't know what the ratio of budget/investment should be in relation to the demand of the consumers.
There was a big demand for Shenmue 3 and the numbers show it. There must be other IPs that people are willing to pay and Kickstarter is a valuable test platform to determine the demand in relation to the budget.
alexandros
Banned
As for the 'proper' use of Kickstarter, I have this to say: there isn't one. Kickstarter is a service, a way of getting projects off the ground. Game developers may have entered Kickstarter through the desire to free themselves from the shackles of big publishers and make the games they really want to make but nowadays it seems to also be used as a way of attracting more funds in order to finance more ambitious projects.It may be antithetical to the original point of Kickstarter in theory but I think it is a logical evolution. It may (and probably will) turn ugly at some point, almost every new trend in gaming ends up getting exploited and milked. I just hope we'll get some good games before the inevitable ugly end.
Melchiah
Member
That's the way I see it as well. In light of the recent Dreamcast thread, where the same old bitterness from 14 years ago raised its head, it seems this might have something to do with Shenmue going to PS platform. Leading people to grasp for a reason to paint it in a negative light. It makes me wonder how the reactions would have been if the platform had been something else?
EDIT:
I personally think some of this outrage is about brand loyalty as well.
Well I find it foolish to willingly take risks associated with funding a game without the real benefits (profit). For now we're getting games we might have never gotten otherwise funded by a Kickstarter projects but how long until even bigger publishers like Sony start putting games there that they would have funded themselves if Kickstarter wasn't an option? Again people are happy when they think they know what they're getting by putting down the money but in fact they have no idea. So in that sense you could consider it even more foolish than pre-ordering.
Collateral22
Member
Kickstarter a Killzone 2 remake pls
Dragon1893
Member
Considering how well PT was received, Silent Hills seems like an obvious choice. I'm guessing Kojima would be all for it if sony approached him.
My dream? Panzer Dragoon Saga Remake or sequel.
My dream? Panzer Dragoon Saga Remake or sequel.
Theonik
Member
It has given us Shenmue III so the industry can crash and burn after that for all I care.
alexandros
Banned
No doubt.