It's most probably a handheld (form factor), except launch and release next year. It'd be almost 6 year since 3DS launch, so it'd be the right time for the next handheld to come.
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Fortune: Nintendo started talking to 3rd parties at E3 about NX; reception positive
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It's most probably a handheld (form factor), except launch and release next year. It'd be almost 6 year since 3DS launch, so it'd be the right time for the next handheld to come.
megatronium
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Nintendo Netflix could be the gimmick.
Well handhelds are a bigger part of Nintendo's business and 2016 is five years since 3DS release, and we've already hear stuff about the 3DS successor. NX will at the least be a handheld.
perfectchaos007
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Could it basically be a Wii U that doesn't need to communicate with the console to be taken on the go?
Exterminieren
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Why on Earth would you assume Nintendo wants to emulate the Wii U reveal strategy? Thy strategy flopped in every sense- a reveal without software, a year of rampant speculation with no payoff, confused messaging, promised features and partnerships never seeing the light of day... It'd be nothing short of insanity to reveal it a year and a half in advance nowadays.
Some Nintendo hardware is releasing next year- Iwata's commitment to "Nintendo-like" profits and the paucity of internal development for either platform makes this crystal clear. It just remains to be seen whether one or multiple NX SKUs launches in 2016.
It could potentially be a tabletesque form factor with similar power but it won't/can't use the same underlying tech as I understand it. I'm not very knowledgeable but even if PPC wasn't a dead end it doesn't scale down that much.
Entryhazard
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Announce in 2016 but release in 2017 would kill the Wii U or even the 3DS at Christmas 2016
ShockingAlberto
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The Wii U will kill the Wii U at Christmas 2016.
Entryhazard
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Still Christmas is the biggest timeframe for Nintendo, they should get the most money they can instead of gimping themselves on purpose
ShockingAlberto
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They'll gimp themselves the way they always do, by accident while pretending it was unavoidable.
And they should do that by launching a new system
Entryhazard
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At least they will sell NX instead of nothing.
But the combo NX skipping Christmas (and Black Friday) and the current platforms not selling because of customers waiting on the announced next system is much much worse
I don't think they will go for a powerful console. I can see them cleaning up their handheld and console ecosystem and making it look more attractive to third party developers. I don't think they need to convince third parties to develop for their next console either. Focus on having a stronger launch lineup along with more titles throughout the console lifespan. It was evident with the Wii U that Nintendo was not ready for HD development. They're still playing catch up and it's too little too late with the Wii U.
I would assume that a majority of their studios are more seasoned to work with HD development so I'm excited to see what they show, but I'm still skeptical and my level of skepticism grows each day.
I would assume that a majority of their studios are more seasoned to work with HD development so I'm excited to see what they show, but I'm still skeptical and my level of skepticism grows each day.
Nintendo somehow got a lot of mature titles at the Wii U launch. Lot of ports, though. If 3rd parties are gonna find success, Nintendo needs to build a platform that people will be willing to spend money on. The most powerful hardware doesn't always win; but it definitely helps.
I honestly wish Nintendo would realize they can innovate with software rather than always relying on hardware. You need hardware to a point for the software to shine.
I honestly wish Nintendo would realize they can innovate with software rather than always relying on hardware. You need hardware to a point for the software to shine.
I was thinking the other day of Nintendo doing a tease at the videogame awards in December just enough to get the hype rolling till e3
The Wii U is already dead before Christmas 2015.
Retromelon
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Next nintendo handheld ought to be 149 for the standard model and 200 for the xl version
Pokemaniac
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Innovating with software sounds exactly like what they're tying to do with NX from what they've said so far. They've said that they want their relationship with customers to be based on a software platform rather than a single piece of hardware.
It's not just that; as long as Nintendo are unwilling to develop flagship IPs aimed at a more mature audience, third party games will continue to underperform on their platforms.
Entryhazard
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Bring on the next Eternal Darkness
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KratosEnergyDrink
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Not "mature" but young male teenager. This is the biggest gamer group. But they want CoD & Co., so Nintendo will not try to reach them.
The question that I have, is exactly how is Nintendo going to bring back 3rd party support for their new....device? By the time the original Playstation was released & it's install base had ballooned, most of those developers & publishers have been soured with Nintendo's strict exclusivity policies (along with purposedly making the N64 infuriatingly hard to develop to turn away low-skilled developers, which had backfired), it's no surprise that most of them had abandoned ship & never looked back.
They're not coming back. FULLSTOP! There's fuck all NCL can do that'll bring back AAA publishers to Nintendo hardware. They should still foster an environment for them but expect most of the non 1st & 2nd party software from Indies, Japanese publishers and a select few mobile game publishers.
Do something nice for Shocking, Iwata. He's lost his belief. :-(
Eteric Rice
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They could get third parties back, but it would be insanely hard and I doubt they'd be willing to traverse the seven hells required to do so.
If the NX truly is two systems that share the same games, that would solve a lot of their problems in terms of out put. I would then try to court some exclusive indie games to fill in the holes, and pay some other companies for some exclusives.
That's just me. I'm in the camp that thinks they need to merge their handheld and console games together.
If the NX truly is two systems that share the same games, that would solve a lot of their problems in terms of out put. I would then try to court some exclusive indie games to fill in the holes, and pay some other companies for some exclusives.
That's just me. I'm in the camp that thinks they need to merge their handheld and console games together.
That's what they're up to. Hopefully, we'll see a universal OS with a membership service, accompanied by a handheld and a console that share the same architecture(s).
lwilliams3
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The 3DS is already the Wii's portable "equivalent," and it also handles modern techniques a lot better than the Wii. Nintendo would likely want to make the portable NX close to or a bit closer to the PSVita to make it more like a portable Wii U equivalent.
Eteric Rice
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I hope they are. And I hope they change architecture to x86 or ARM. Get something that can run Unreal 4 and Unity.
That's what I'd hope their goals are. Just being able to run those two engines would open up things dramatically.
Obviously not every single game is gonna be on both. For example, the next mainline Pokémon game will likely be reserved for the handheld, while the console may get the bigger titles like Zelda or Xenoblade that would be too much for the handheld to handle.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think x86 goes very well with handhelds. If they want the same architecture on both, ARM is the way to go.
I expect Unity, most definitely.
Mainline Pokemon on Handheld NX, accompanied by Pokemon Stadium on Console NX and Pokemon Snap/Advance Pokedex on
This is something good, right?
Kryo is Qualcomm's custom ARMv8 core and the successor to Krait, their 32bit core. We don't know much about Kryo though. Samples are expected to ship between now and the end of the year, which I guess would be in time for NX devkits. It'll apparently be manufactured using 16nm FinFET and has a DDR4 memory controller, but that's about it I believe. Might be too bleeding edge for Nintendo though...
Possibly, although the whole Zeroth platform that qualcomm is pushing with Kyro would line up with what Nintendo wants to do with its gaming products and QoL stuff.
ShockingAlberto
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I've actually heard (from decent sources) that there are more Americans involved in the R&D of the new Nintendo system than in any previous console they've ever done.
I just heard it months ago and didn't really care because all the good advice in the world doesn't help if it doesn't get through.
I just heard it months ago and didn't really care because all the good advice in the world doesn't help if it doesn't get through.
In the end I suppose it doesn't really matter so much who is involved without knowing the overall direction Iwata and top management wants for the device. low power vs high power, etc. Still good to see the company opening up to more multinational development of the hardware.
That's at least slightly encouraging. Nintendo's ignorance of the Western markets seems to have been key to their inability to gain adequate third party support. Every time I see Reggie having to defend a decision by Nintendo that was most likely a decision made by NCL, I get flashbacks to that Emily Rogers article about Nintendo during the Gamecube era and Reggie criticizing whether a certain game was enough to tackle something like Halo IIRC. He seems like a guy who knows that way the Western market is flowing but can't get his two cents in otherwise and so he just becomes Nintendo's fall guy.
A faint glimmer of hope perhaps.
lwilliams3
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From what I recall, Nintendo did ask for feedback from different companies and adjusted some things on the Wii U. The issue is that I guess they could only bend so far because of the priorities on including the costly gamepad and keeping BC with the Wii. From all of the rumblings, though, there is a strong assumption that the architecture will not be like the Wii U.
Well, the engineering manager and the lead architect for the NX chipset appear to be NTD guys.
It's something, I suppose
I had actually not heard of that. This article on it actually brings up a similar point that others in the thread are making in that although this is a step in the right direction, it is useless unless the "hardware design paradigm" is changed as well.
lwilliams3
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Thanks for linking to that article.
"The lead graphics architect, which has already been hired, was expected to have good architectural insights and the ability to apply that for setting future graphics direction for Nintendo. Among the responsibilities of the candidate, Nintendo listed evaluation of hardware graphics offerings from SoC solutions available in the market based on performance, power, and silicon area. Moreover, the lead graphics architect is to act as the graphics architectural evangelist working with global Nintendo teams for future and on-going programs, a clear indicator that NTD is now responsible for the key hardware for Nintendo’s next-gen game consoles."
Interesting phrasing there.
Well, New 3DS can run Unity. It's got enough CPU oomph to do it now. How well remains to be seen.
Honestly I'd rather they use ARM for everything. You can definitely get some good performance-per-watt out of it. With a proper cooling solution, you could pump some juice into an ARM CPU. EDIT: Nevermind the bother that would be having to test your game across CPU architectures if they were to have an x86 (console) and ARM (handheld) split. I think the simpler the design the better.
I don't trust Reggie opinion on games. Its not like he comes from a gaming background. Worked at Pizza Hut and VH1 before Nintendo.
Wow thats huge. Has a thread been made on this? I remember there being a thread about Nintendo hiring someone for hardware in the west but the way people ended up talking it seemed like we couldnt conclude much on that, this seems pretty clear. Thanks for the link, very interesting stuff.
Some guy doubling down on a rumour about a Diddy Kong Racing sequel, as though anyone still cares about that game, and mentioned a $150 pricepoint for NX.
This incited fever dreams in some people that a low price point on gaming hardware was all it took to bring back the casual market.
So basically, it's coming from nothing.
$150 drops a barrier. Singular.
It's a mix of bad ideas that cause this:
1) Thinking 3rd parties hold a legitimate grudge against Nintendo and eagerly await their failure in the hardware space, because if there's anything they want more, it's another potential competitor in the 3rd-party space for consumers' money! Makes total sense!!
2) Thinking that 3rd-parties are unnecessary for growth of the business (and as much as I love Nintendo, even I'm not that naive)
3) Thinking that Sony and Microsoft have some irreversible hold on 3rd-parties, like they each have boxes of blackmail photos of publishers and developers having kinky sex with hookers or giving some dude a handie at a truck stop. "Release a game on a Nintendo console and I send these to the press!"
When the reality is that there's no conspiracy, 3rd-parties are an essential part of the console business and Sony/MS don't hold a forcible monopoly on 3rd-party business.
They actually can't use it again. No new custom chipset designs are being considered for consumer use. It's essentially a dead end for consumer electronics now, so there is ZERO chance of a return to PowerPC.
I wasn't aware that each 3rd-party game came with its own Sony and Microsoft issued Hypnotoad that forcibly prevented people from making their own purchase decisions and could never consider buying a Nintendo product again.
Define "flagship IP" for me.
Nah, it's a safe bet that they'll get both. Pokemon is entirely playable as a home version, and for those who would want portability, boom, the game works in the handheld as well, or you could extend the "catch em all" mechanic to a smartphone companion app for the game.
As for Zelda or Xenoblade, slowly strip the effects away until you have a comparative game. (see: Hyrule Warriors on 3DS, but cheaper to do)
I think it has.
FWIW, looking at Nintendo's job listings for Redmond list(ed) stuff about Linux and Flash from about 2-3 months ago. I have no idea what that means, though.
I find it borderline racist, this idea I seen a lot of GAF that only westerners know how to put together decent gaming hardware.
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