I thought so. This thread's not so long, I'll read through it tomorrow. But I do have to say that it's sickening what some people are willing to do to keep the conspiracy theorists riled up.
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Sandra Bland Found Dead in TX Jail, Police Say Suicide, Family Disagrees
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I'm disgusted by the people defending this guy saying he has the right to ask her out of the car and so forth. Even defending the use of a tazer. When is pointing a tazer at someones face through a car window and threatening to 'light them up' a responsible way to behave? Officer of the law is a position of respect, you should act like a person worth respecting, not some low-life bully with a hard-on for power. If I were in his position, if I stopped someone and they were giving me sass or being aggressive - I would explain myself succinctly and ask why they're being so belligerent when I'm only trying to do my job. Speak softly and try not to alienate the person I'm talking to, who as far as I know - is not guilty of any crime. I'd also know that smoking is an addiction and that smokers have a reputation to be ratty about their choice of habit. Well trained people know how to speak to people. This guy wasn't using his training nor was he just trying to do his job: like so many - his actions are determined by the desire to use his state sanctioned power to bend people to his will. To make them bark on command. Do as I say, smoker, or I will get angry with you and threaten to hurt you. That isn't assertiveness, its stupidity.
Exactly the type of person that should not be in the police.
Exactly the type of person that should not be in the police.
GravityInsanity
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Sandra Bland Was Involved In An Accident With A Motorcycle That Hit Her Car Before She Died
"God is good"
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh77lT1rUV2chj72DO
"God is good"
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh77lT1rUV2chj72DO
boiled goose
good with gravy
Point of this?
GravityInsanity
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When I see stuff before and after her death I post it. That's my point!
Did this happen the same day of the arrest?
GravityInsanity
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I don't think so. She said she was trying to go to the beach and relax!
What in the fuck does this have to do with anything?
UltimaPooh
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Um it has something to do with Sandra Bland.
There's no context. There seems to have been an accident with a motorcycle rear-ending a car. What am I supposed to take away from it?
UltimaPooh
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Context if you read the rest of the thread after the video.
It probably has nothing to do with the incident this thread is about but it does show who she was as a person.
nitekrawlwer
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When people conflate words that aren't synonyms it makes it very hard to have a rational discussion. Though that is more aimed @Pepiope
You have fun with your rational discussion. We know exactly where that's going to lead. Where it makes "sense" to take away the very dignity of human beings. Maybe their chance at prosperity and maybe even their life.
"We need to be moral, we need to be human... My main message is we have to lead with empathy. It's the starting point for everything. If I'm going after that guy, I can immediately see that whether there is a law or not the idea i'm gonna take someone's freedom away. They took his life away but they planned to take his freedom away for essentially nothing and stupid tax that is pennies . That is preposterous." Michael A. Woods Former Baltimore PD. referring to Eric Garner and how to fix police
When you say things like "Yeah, people get fucked over who still comply. That shit sucks, I get it That doesn't give people free reign to be non-compliant and be a prick and think that's an okay to deal with human interactions." This comes across as tone policing the oppressed to me. Vaguely hypocritical because it obviously is okay for some people to be a non-compliant(to their job's rules), a prick, threatening, violent and think that's an okay way to deal with human interactions. He just gets a nice desk job for it instead. But let's focus on what the minorities need to be doing right? /s
Having been detained(abused) many times myself I can tell you that I would do you a disservice by not letting you see the anger and rage that this abuse has instilled in me. It is the very essence of the language of the unheard. Just like the righteous anger in Bland's voice when dealing with that officer. The fire flowing through my veins every time I have to watch someone die literally for no good reason or just have their dignity stomped upon must surely be the stuff of which riots are born. It surely overwhelms the rational mind looking for cathartic release.
I don't read comment sections after videos. I think you'll find that most sane people don't.
And how does this give insight into her as a person? She seems distressed after an auto accident. Every second of video she was ever in isn't important. What matters is what happened that night between her and the police officer and what happened the next few days in the jail.
GravityInsanity
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You seem angry for what I posted. I post these things to built up more discussion for Sandra. Basically, what type of person she was before she "supposedly" killed herself. As we can see she's a caring person of others and has faith in God. If you don't like what I post on this thread then simply just ignore!
I tried really hard to stay out of this thread all day because it's gotten nasty and off-topic, and both sides are at fault. I should have trusted that instinct.
UltimaPooh
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Noticed I said thread and not comment section. I don't expect anyone to read comment sections.
1. She believes in a god. 2. Shes happy to be alive. 3. Shes distressed but sees the positive side about it. 4. She cares about other people as shown through her empathy to the motor cycle driver.
It seems as if you're just kind of posing a questions about context to get attention. Does it really matter if it has direct context to the incident? I think having Sandra in it is enough.
It's just a video, and it does say a lot about her faith in God. Not sure what you're on about, tbh.
There is so much inconsistencies in this story.
She ingested marijuana? But she was heading to a job interview
She was depressed? The audio released showed her telling a friend she was going to sue.
The trooper was racist and the witness in the cell is white.
Whole thing is like an episode of Law and Order.
She ingested marijuana? But she was heading to a job interview
She was depressed? The audio released showed her telling a friend she was going to sue.
The trooper was racist and the witness in the cell is white.
Whole thing is like an episode of Law and Order.
SyenceLabb
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A bit of hyperbole to stress my point.
Random Painted HIghway
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considering the misinformation out there and in this thread regarding the authority of a police officer to extract someone from their vehicle, the disgust you should feel is with those spouting the incorrect position that necessitates correction, for it is they who are distracting the discussion from where it ought to be.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
He legally has the right to ask her out of the car, also he pulled the taser not through the window but had the door wide open and pulled it after repeatedly trying to ask her out, then remove her, the taser was the last thing he pulled before she got out. I think he escalated it all too fast, should have waited for backup, and talked her out, but what you wrote is wrong.
Just because something bad can happen from doing the right thing is still no excuse to do the wrong thing.
In the end, you can't control police, you can control yourself. This started as a discussion of the Sandra Bland stop, what I was discussing this whole time is what she could have done to make this situation not end the way it did.
Are you going to argue that just because there are shit cops, you have no control over the encounter so how you, yourself, act makes zero difference on outcome?
Byakuya769
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Victim blaming comedy hour.
No one is blaming her for her death. "Victim blaming" does not apply here.
BlitzerRadic
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Ummm.... That's what cops are trained to do - find people breaking the law.
All you social justice warriors here need to wise up. If a cop stops you for a traffic violation and tells you to get out of the car, then get out of the car. Only bad things can happen if you engage with a cop and extend the encounter time by being difficult because all you are doing is giving them more time to go fishing or giving yourself the chance to do something stupid and incriminate yourself. Cops are trained for this so just shut your mouth, get your damn ticket and ask if you are free to go.
Woody Invincible
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Dignity ain't worth shit in a jail cell or 6 feet under.
A cop always has the right to tell you to put out the cig, in order to see if you are masking the odor of something you don't want found out. He didn't have to fish very long, he had a bite on his first cast.
CephasTalmay
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And yet the next two posts...
Lol it's like a comedy skit of ignorance.
There are two parts of this event:
1. The arrest
2. The death
Sandra refused a police officer's legal order, resisted his attempts to remove her from her car then resisted arrest. She is at fault here. Stating this is not victim blaming. She is not fully to blame here, I do believe the police officer acted too rashly and could have deescalated the situation, but nonetheless she shares a portion of the blame.
Sandra than died while in jail. She is not at fault here. Saying something like "Well if she didn't resist arrest she wouldn't be dead" would be victim blaming. Either:
A: She was murdered.
B: She committed a suicide which should have been prevented by the facility.
C: She committed a suicide which could not have been prevented by the facility.
In none of these scenarios is she to blame for her death.
When a cop gives you an order to leave your vehicle, an order that the Supreme Court has deemed is acceptable in any and all traffic stops, you leave your vehicle. That is the law. You have as much right to refuse to leave your vehicle as you do to refuse pulling over to the side of the road when a police car is following you with their sirens on: none at all.
BlitzerRadic
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Do you not understand that in an encounter with a cop, you are at a disadvantage? They are looking for a reason to arrest you.
Why would you get stupid with a cop and give them a reason?
Its like parking your car in a bad neighborhood and leaving a laptop in the front seat and when you come back you're surprised your car is broken into.
nitekrawlwer
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Yes we can control the police. We just wont do it with your attitude of they are the ultimate authority and we can't do anything with them except fear for our lives like wild animals. We certainly wont do it by telling their victims you don't need to have an attitude.
That's what you seem to be arguing for with statements like "You can never control cops but you can control yourself". So yes I do think the actions of the person you cant control, will determine the outcome.
youngplaya21
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Dude, there's honestly no point in arguing in here. Everyone's emotions are clouding their judgement, and everything said that isn't 'fuck that cop' is victim blaming, even something like stating that she was wrong not to get out the car when he said to. Just let it go and approach the argument when everyone is more level headed about the ordeal. And this is coming from someone who is honestly on their side for the most part
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
relevant.
This is bullshit, completely false equivalency.
Again, someone explain how being disrespectful to police is helpful at all? Because tweets like that are basically openly advocating being disrespectful to police.
I fail to see how this solves a thing with the problem with relations between blacks and police, which I'll admit is problematic. I just don't see this as a solution.
PhoenixDark
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relevant.
dat false equivalency
Rabbi_Vole
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Do we know how she died? Haven't been following the story? Why did she refuse to cooperate?
Sho_Nuff82
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Only if you view rape as inevitable and police violence as avoidable, or vice versa.
SMH @ at all the victim blaming going on in this thread.
Random Painted HIghway
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She hung herself in her jail cell using a trash bag.
NegroNinja
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This thread is just further proof that the problems black people face in this country just get hand waved away.
You guys are right though she brought it on herself. None of this would've happened if she had just listened to the power tripping cop. It's not like we have any cases of black people cooperating fully with police and still being abused or murdered. That would just be preposterous.
You guys are right though she brought it on herself. None of this would've happened if she had just listened to the power tripping cop. It's not like we have any cases of black people cooperating fully with police and still being abused or murdered. That would just be preposterous.
Rabbi_Vole
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How do we know the cop was out of bounds? Tape? Witnesses? Assumption?
xaosslug
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umm...
honestly, read up on this stuff before y'all misinformed selves siege a thread. smh
THE OFFICER VIOLATED PROCEDURE.
Random Painted HIghway
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They stated he violated procedures and a courtesy protocol, it was not explained specifically what he violated, hence the discussion. considering there are multiple actions that have created varying degrees of concern, some of which are clearly lawful under the law, it is a difficult to use the benching of this officer for anything other than general terms.
Vicetrailia
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So much for the officer being in full compliance. Not being able to cling to the law is a bitch.
Gotdatmoney
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Common sense? I don't see how anyone can watch that video and be like "the cop did everything perfect". Actually, going by this thread, nevermind.
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