ViewtifulJC
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Give them the $60 dollars to try it out
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Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain | Review Thread | Words That Kill
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Give them the $60 dollars to try it out
Vigilant Walrus
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I'm not. Nobody needs to provide a "IMO" or "in my opinion" for others to assume that it is a personal opinion
Here is another one of Greg's Let's Plays. This is different from the one he uploaded to YouTube.
EDIT: I WAS TOLD THIS ONE HAS SPOILERS, SPECIFICALLY OF THE FIRST BOSS FIGHT. VIEW AT YOUR OWN RISK.
http://www.gamespot.com/videos/metal-gear-solid-v-the-phantom-pain-kinda-funny-le/2300-6426643/
EDIT: I WAS TOLD THIS ONE HAS SPOILERS, SPECIFICALLY OF THE FIRST BOSS FIGHT. VIEW AT YOUR OWN RISK.
http://www.gamespot.com/videos/metal-gear-solid-v-the-phantom-pain-kinda-funny-le/2300-6426643/
AHA-Lambda
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That 0.2 made all the difference XD
MAX PAYMENT
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Not at all. The writing is shit throughout the entire series.
However any effort to make it as westernized as possible for us would go a long, long way.
Stealth_Cobra
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I think the graph is slightly off, as it does not consider stuff like Pre-Mission briefings and tends to consider a cutscene as "done" when it switches to another cutscene when in fact, it's just the same cutscene continuing.
Most of MGS4 can be summed up with the folowing type of sequence.
Watch a 20 minute mission briefing, followed by a ten ish minute cutscene, followed by a codec call, then 20 seconds of gameplay, then another codec call, followed by a new cutscene... Bascially, yes, on paper it's a series of short cutscenes, but it reality, it feels like a long cutscene that's been broken into smaller chunks so you can skip parts and giving you the illusion of interractivty by giving you a small gameplay segment in between bouts of cutscene.
tryagainlater
Member
No point getting your hopes up for something like that. At the very least, reviews have mentioned there is interesting infrastructures in the 2 maps so we'll have plenty to find. I do wonder if there will be a few smaller linear areas like the hospital throughout the story.
Oh I see. I thought it was because they changed their mind or something hah. Thanks.
I doubt that very much. I can count the number of videogame with well written stories and dialogue on the figure of one hand. The convoluted backstory in MGS games have always been a negative. Not just the endless cut-scenes, but the ham-fisted Codec exposition as well.
Hideo Kojima has always needed brutal editing of his script, not simple touching up of the dialogue. Less is more.
family_guy
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This might sound like a ridiculous complaint but the game sounds too long. I felt like games like MGS3 and RE4 have perfect length, 15-20 hrs, that lend themselves to easy replayability. After a 120 hr trek through Witcher 3, I'm a bit exhausted with long games.
Makoto Yuki
Banned
Exactly, MGS2's story is insane in the best way possible. MGS3 was incredibly executed, and the most coherent because it's the first game chronologically.
Reading some of the reception on the story, it seems Kojima really took inspiration from Mad Max when it comes to TPP. Max doesn't talk much in those movies, but his actions speak for him.
So I guess there are 2 mad max games releasing on the first of september, and this is the one that looks more appealing.
So I guess there are 2 mad max games releasing on the first of september, and this is the one that looks more appealing.
MAX PAYMENT
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Phanatic8390
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Kinda bummed about only 2 areas and the light story. Was hoping we'd see another area that was markedly different from what's been shown.
I'd imagine, using the previous example of GTAO's late release, that coverage will be separate and not play into the initial review.
tryagainlater
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Although it won't appease the people who are tired of long games in general, when it comes to replaying this one, it will probably be reasonably quick once you have everything unlocked like Peace Walker. You'll have all the best weapons and all the story missions will be available without doing side ops that replays down the line probably won't be close the initial 40-50 hours. But yea, I can see why that is daunting right now coming off of The Witcher 3.
Missable? I don't think you are locked out of them. They should still be around in the open world or in the mission.
And I think I do prefer the style of story telling shown in GZ opposed to how its been done in previous games. Those tapes conveyed a lot of information I highly enjoyed playing the MGS games, but asides from the Big Boss games, story elements in the Solid Snake games have kinda flown over my head. Also, I barely made codec calls, because I knew it would remove me from playing the game. The tapes don't do that. You can listen to them as you play, or at your own leisure.
As someone who loves the codec calls and cutscenes from 1, 2, 3, and 4, it's disappointing to hear much of the story-telling comes through audio tapes I might not come across. I'm also not thrilled about the prospect of mother base grinding, but the core stealth is so good I suspect it will make up a bit for the shortcomings.
Crossing Eden
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First boss fight is spoiled in this video. I knew what it was, but seeing it in motion, goddamn. :O
That's not a thing that's happening in that post
Hibiki Kurosawa
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Ah, not much difference, so hopefully people who don't realize it's a typo don't flip out.
"No real spoilers in my Let's Play" my fucking arse, Greg.
Thanks for letting me know, I added a disclaimer. Haven't seen yet.
I think going in with the thinking that this is going to be some epic finale for the franchise, or is the swansong of the franchise, is going to lead to disappointment. It's not really that game. That was MGS4, for better or for worse. The story in this game isn't necessarily bad, and I'll certainly take it over the character assassination of Solid Snake present in MGS4 (one of the main reasons why I hate that particular game), but it's not like there's a whole lot here. The truth is, all of this extra content detailing the exact nature of Big Boss's journey is superfluous.
I feel MGS3 alone was good enough, and it would've been great to just have that. It's nice to leave things to the imagination sometimes, and I feel this whole journey is a testament to that. MGSV's story kind of feels unfinished if someone tries to take it as some kind of conclusion, because it's not. Not necessarily in the sense that there's a lot more to tell, but just that it's not a conclusion to the saga. And it's not necessarily a good way to bring things full circle since it doesn't really do that in some great way either.
Basically, it's a story in the life of Big Boss. That's about it. It really doesn't do anything thematically important for Big Boss's journey nor does it provide some greater understanding of his character that we didn't already have. So superfluous I feel is the best way to describe it. That doesn't mean it's bad, but in a game which is probably 2-3 times longer than the previous main entry, there really isn't that much there, and the crappy pacing kind of hinders it in that sense.
I think MGS5 is a game that gets a lot right, and a lot wrong. And how much you like it is going to depend on the type of design you like in games, and what made you a fan of the franchise. It really does kind of jump to the other end of the spectrum in comparison to MGS4.
With MGS4, I feel if there had been a better balance in the game design, it really could've been something special (even though I hated that story). With MGS5, I don't really think that way. I don't dislike it more than MGS4, but MGS4's disappointment for me was because it really could've become something far greater than what it was. Even if you were to rectify some of the issues I have with MGS5, I don't think it could become that, since you'd have to pretty much overhaul it. Then you basically have a different game.
Plus, I was kind of blindsided by the length of this game. I really didn't expect that. That's a backfire of a blackout I guess. Although I likely would've enjoyed it far more if the pacing wasn't the way it was. It does get very repetitive.
Still, though. Seven years for this. Kind of sucks really to feel this way.
I think a "Review Part 2" seems appropriate
CrichtonKicks
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Wait, MGSV cuts down on cutscene length and frequency and you *don't* think he was influenced by "western style localization in editing"? It's pretty clear that's exactly what happened- he listened to the criticisms of the over indulgence in cutscenes from the previous games (especially 4) and responded accordingly.
Hhhnnngg
This is what has me. Zeroes feels like what a current gen Clancy game could be.
Edit: not just SC but parts of what made GR fun. A few games back, when it still was.
Crossing Eden
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It's the only one we'll see since he's only going to mission 5. Just don't watch past 42:00 to be safe.
denshuu
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This is the exact thing that made me completely disinterested in this game until these reviews came out. I've always wanted a modern VR Missions, with all the sneaking and stealthing without Kojima's inane half hour ramblings every playsession. Also one of those reviews shows Snake sliding around in a little mech thing. This is actually the first time I've been genuinely excited for a Metal Gear game since Sons of Liberty.
PRETTY SURE
brandonh83
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I'm not sure why anyone would think this in the first place. It's a prequel.
Spring-Loaded
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And the last Kojima Metal Gear game
So basically you're saying this is Metal Gear Solid's Assassin's Creed: Revelations?
MiamiWesker
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Woah what do you mean character assassination of Solid snake in MGS4. MGS4 is his best moment and it shows he is the hero all other characters only wish he could be. The entire game is about snake basically being tortured in every way a man could be tortured but because he is the greatest soldier, because he is the ultimate hero he still puts the fate of the world on his shoulders. He does it not for country or control but because of love of his friends and to do what is right. He represents everything The Boss actually wanted to represent.
MGS4 is snakes shining moment.
Yeah I don't disagree, but I can look past it.
Besides that I thought MGS4 was worse in that regard, frankly. "You were the lightning in that storm". Ugh.
Big Green Anus
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It's spoiler-free. They mention how many areas are in the game if that counts.
brandonh83
Banned
Makes no difference, chronologically it's just another filler installment story wise. If this were set after 4 that'd be another thing but I'm not sure how a prequel could provide resolution. It can be informative ala Snake Eater but that's about it. 3 and 4 answered pretty much every question pertaining to the Patriots and all that. MGSV is just more of what happened to Big Boss.
Death Metalist
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Somehow him shooting himself in the end is what the character is all about or worse yet, getting executed for war crimes with Otacon lol.
People are getting "Kojima's swan song" confused with "Metal Gear Solid's swan song"
So it seems like Kojima didn't want this to be the last MGS game, afterall.
I feel like this is an expansion to PeaceWalker, going by the interviews and videos. Peacewalker was very different from MGS4 so I can see where you're coming from. I enjoyed both games, but MGS4 felt tighter. Then again, I also immensely enjoyed a lot of things in Peacewalker like the RPG aspect of the game. I also felt compelled to go through missions over and over in PeaceWalker to get the S-rank, simply because missions were shorter and more self-contained.