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Terraform mars, floating city in the upper venus atmosphere.
Thanks for responding.Of course we don't have the means right now. We are all just talking theoretically, assuming that one day mankind acquires the resources and infrastructure for such an undertaking. After all, those kinds of resources are theoretically available in our solar system, if we manage to build up an industrial infrastructure in space. Most terraforming theories tend to avoid presuming the existence of unknowable technology such as ant-gravity or such, and instead focus on relatively simple methods such as introducing plant-life or building really big mirrors. In that sense, the main obstacle for terraforming is a matter of resources and capability more than technology. It is still the realm of science fiction, but it is a closer and far more achievable form of sci-fi than Star Trek-style FTL voyages or such.
Wouldn't messing around with the moon be too risky considering its effect on Earth? What if we fuck it up entirely by "practicing on it"?I say practice on the moon. Find a way to melt the core and make a magnetic field, develop artificial gravity for inside the buildings, get water there - possibly from an asteroid, plant shit etc.
the thing with that is wouldn't the pillars of the cities have to be standing on venusian soil? how would you keep them from getting destroyed?Terraform mars, floating city in the upper venus atmosphere.
the thing with that is wouldn't the pillars of the cities have to be standing on venusian soil? how would you keep them from getting destroyed?
the earth will survive, but we probably won't.The Sun isn't going to 'blow up'; it's not massive enough for that. It will expand to be 260+ times its current size and will engulf Mercury and Venus in the process. Earth may or may not survive this. Either way, it's not something we have to worry about given it won't happen for another 5 billion years.
i didn't intend for it to be a choice.Sailor Venus all the way.
lol at Mercury being considered.
neither do I. someone posted a link about it somewhere hereMassive base? Dunno how we'd go about making a sky city feasible.
Lmao
the earth will survive, but we probably won't.
i didn't intend for it to be a choice.
neither do I. someone posted a link about it somewhere here
the thing with that is wouldn't the pillars of the cities have to be standing on venusian soil? how would you keep them from getting destroyed?
Massive base? Dunno how we'd go about making a sky city feasible.
Actually, building a sky city on Venus doesn't involve any pillars or stilts or anything like that. The solution is much simpler: the city floats through the air like a balloon. Venus's atmosphere is incredibly dense; so much so that breathable air at comfortable pressures is more buoyant than helium is on Earth. Just as it makes more sense to build ships that float on the surface of the sea than it is to crawl along the seafloor, it makes more sense to float atop Venus's dense atmosphere than to try and build up from its depths.Not even sure what's more doable, an all out terraform effort of Mars or a sky city on Venus.
What kind of batshit engineering would we have to pull off to even get started on the soil level of Venus and not to mention how we'd raise the city from the ground?
Batshit science and materials, the costs would be mind boggling.
Not even sure what's more doable, an all out terraform effort of Mars or a sky city on Venus.
What kind of batshit engineering would we have to pull off to even get started on the soil level of Venus and not to mention how we'd raise the city from the ground?
Batshit science and materials, the costs would be mind boggling.
so you can build a massive city in the sky, like, the size and mass of manhattan, and it'll just float?Actually, building a sky city on Venus doesn't involve any pillars or stilts or anything like that. The solution is much simpler: the city floats through the air like a balloon. Venus's atmosphere is incredibly dense; so much so that breathable air at comfortable pressures is more buoyant than helium is on Earth. Just as it makes more sense to build ships that float on the surface of the sea than it is to crawl along the seafloor, it makes more sense to float atop Venus's dense atmosphere than to try and build up from its depths.
so you can build a massive city in the sky, like, the size and mass of manhattan, and it'll just float?
Well, it depends on how the structure is built. A certain volume of air generates so much buoyancy, and that buoyancy can support a certain amount of mass. You would probably need to engineer the structure to have as little excess weight as possible.so you can build a massive city in the sky, like, the size and mass of manhattan, and it'll just float?
Well, that depends. The Jovian system isn't the most hospitable place in the Solar System, in large part due to Jupiter's magnetosphere. Radiation around Jupiter can be extreme, and many of Jupiter's moons are directly in its radiation belts. Io has it really bad, but Europa is still hit with a lethal amount of radiation on a daily basis.How are Europa and Ganymede for colonization?
then we would have to consider the mass of the facility itself since they're supposed to be cities, plus the mass of (each million?) people living inside of it.Well, it depends on how the structure is built. A certain volume of air generates so much buoyancy, and that buoyancy can support a certain amount of mass. You would probably need to engineer the structure to have as little excess weight as possible.
When I was researching the topic earlier, I discovered that Buckminster Fuller apparently once proposed a design for a type of floating habitat that he believed could even work on Earth, which he named "Cloud Nine". It is essentially a giant balloon in the form of a geodesic sphere more than a mile wide. Since geodesic spheres increase in structural strength the larger they get, they can be built very large, and thus lift quite a bit relative to the mass of the balloon itself. If you adapt the idea for Venus, then you could theoretically live inside that geodesic sphere itself, perhaps.
We only need the moon for its gravitational pull. The only way to fuck it up would be by blowing it up.Thanks for responding.
Wouldn't messing around with the moon be too risky considering its effect on Earth? What if we fuck it up entirely by "practicing on it"?
In theory we could hit Mars with a big rock. That would melt the core thus kickstarting the magnetic field
Wouldn't messing around with the moon be too risky considering its effect on Earth? What if we fuck it up entirely by "practicing on it"?
We only need the moon for its gravitational pull. The only way to fuck it up would be by blowing it up.
life would've evolved much weirder & differently if not for the moon.We only need the moon for its gravitational pull. The only way to fuck it up would be by blowing it up.