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[Leyasu]

All I need to know is why Truth is not available as a slayer map in either playlist.

Da fuq? I loved truth in the beta..

Edit. It is in. It's in the first post.

 

[AllIsOneIsNone]

Yea, Truth is in. Empire and Eden (as well as Orion and Pegasus) are not though...

 

[NullPointer]

Man, as usual I'm totally in for Halo 5 for the campaign and possible co-op, but then I see enough new stuff to the competitive multiplayer that I want to jump into that too.

So it'll be campaign for me, followed by Warzone, and if I ever feel like I have the chops I'll dip into the arena stuff.

Gotta say, the return to a balanced arena, dedicated servers and free maps to come helps a lot with that. ;p

 

[Nutter]

Well I should change my question to why is Truth as a slayer variant not in Arena... I mean the damn map is THE arena map.

 

[GECK]

Orion and Pegasus were great Team Slayer maps I don't understand why they are only in FFA.

Orion was trash, nothing at all great about it in any way.

Pegasus was alright but the spawns were not balanced at all.

 

[Ramirez]

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Are you moving on to Halo 5 bud, or are you going to continue to torture yourself??

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

No objective playlist? Ah well. It probably would have been removed afterwards anways.

Don't Objective only playlist usually fail hard in terms of population, or at least fall off dramatically real quick? Also, Team Arena seems to have plenty of objective, and I believe there's no voting/veto system anymore, so you should hopefully see your fair share.

 

[singhr1]

Even if you see them doing it, it's hard to get a head shot as they head at you feet first.

oh btw, Landin, one of our amazing video editors, has created the single greatest Water-tech video of all time. I hope we can show it during the launch.

YES. Can't wait for the other launch festivities you guys probably have planned as well.

Am I correct to assume that community voting will probably be done through the Halo Bulletins on the Halo Channel like during the beta?

Orion was trash, nothing at all great about it in any way.

Pegasus was alright but the spawns were not balanced at all.

Sure, they were alright. There may have been changes to their maps that we haven't seen yet. Empire and Trident have both seen changes since the Beta.

 

[Welfare]

Sure, they were alright. There may have been changes to their maps that we haven't seen yet. Empire and Trident have both seen changes since the Beta.

The forge maps should benefit greatly from just all the color that will hopefully be added.

 

[Im_So_Pringles]

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[[Call-Me-G]]

I'm really really disappointed.

These launch playlists lack Team Objective with OddBall, CTF and KotH at least! Team Double and Action Sack would have been great too... It's a shame, even if the Weekly Playlist is a good idea.

Concerning the maps... Really? 6 Warzone maps, 6 Arena maps, 2 remixes and 7 Forge maps... 7 FORGE MAPS? Great. They should have not say "21 maps". I was not expecting 14 maps and 7 Forge. Especially 5 Human maps for Arena. Where are the Covies? Where are the Forerunners? Where is the beautiful Halo art?

I'm about to spend more time on Battlefront... I'm sad.

 

[Idle Storm]

I'm really really disappointed.

These launch playlists lack Team Objective with OddBall, CTF and KotH at least! Team Double and Action Sack would have been great too... It's a shame, even if the Weekly Playlist is a good idea.

Concerning the maps... Really? 6 Warzone maps, 6 Arena maps, 2 remixes and 7 Forge maps... 7 FORGE MAPS? Great. They should have not say "21 maps". I was not expecting 14 maps and 7 Forge. Especially 5 Human maps for Arena. Where are the Covies? Where are the Forerunners? Where is the beautiful Halo art?

I'm about to spend more time on Battlefront... I'm sad.

This. Why did they tell us forge maps weren't included originally in the 21 count?! And whyyyy are so many maps not utilizing the huge variety in setting that a halo game should have?

 

[Welfare]

This. Why did they tell us forge maps weren't included originally in the 21 count?! And whyyyy are so many maps not utilizing the huge variety in setting that a halo game should have?

We are going to get 18+ maps for free by the end of June 2016. Variety should come then.

 

[Ramirez]

This. Why did they tell us forge maps weren't included originally in the 21 count?! And whyyyy are so many maps not utilizing the huge variety in setting that a halo game should have?

When did they say the Forge maps didn't count? I've seen it said here, but never with a direct quote to back it up.

I don't understand the variety complaints either, I guess it stems from people not liking the human architecture, but the maps are varied. Underwater, beaches, snow, city, covie ship, jungle, forrunner arena, desert...???

 

[Fata1moose]

I've been pretty positive about everything in Halo 5 so far, but I never liked Breakout, it doesn't feel like Halo. Though I never had much problem with it either, I figured it'd be its own playlist. I want to play Objective game types, I don't want to play Breakout if people want to play it there's a playlist, but it shouldn't be lumped in with real Halo.

 

[Sikamikanico]

When did they say the Forge maps didn't count? I've seen it said here, but never with a direct quote to back it up.

I don't understand the variety complaints either, I guess it stems from people not liking the human architecture, but the maps are varied. Underwater, beaches, snow, city, covie ship, jungle, forrunner arena, desert...???

Not good enough. Clearly.

More variety needed.

 

[QuantumSquid]

When did they say the Forge maps didn't count? I've seen it said here, but never with a direct quote to back it up.

I don't understand the variety complaints either, I guess it stems from people not liking the human architecture, but the maps are varied. Underwater, beaches, snow, city, covie ship, jungle, forrunner arena, desert...???

I can understand the complaints too. Especially since the "desert" map isn't a desert map, it's a human fort with a desert in the background.

I will never stop loving Fathom though. Underwater maps are the coolest. If I see an enemy player just stop at the window to look at the whale for a moment, I'll stop and watch with him.

 

[draughn101]

I'm really really disappointed.

These launch playlists lack Team Objective with OddBall, CTF and KotH at least! Team Double and Action Sack would have been great too... It's a shame, even if the Weekly Playlist is a good idea.

Concerning the maps... Really? 6 Warzone maps, 6 Arena maps, 2 remixes and 7 Forge maps... 7 FORGE MAPS? Great. They should have not say "21 maps". I was not expecting 14 maps and 7 Forge. Especially 5 Human maps for Arena. Where are the Covies? Where

I'm about to spend more time on Battlefront... I'm sad.

Enjoy the 12 maps and great balancing over in Battlefront. Doesn't that invalidate your argument?

 

[Digital Limit]

It is a bummer how limited our choices are when trying to play Halo multiplayer.

I'm one of those niche players who wants to sit in CTF matches all day with a few friends or play Doubles with roommate, and we simply can't do that.

But that's the problem with having a lot of expectations, I suppose. We'll have fun screwing around in Warzone and probably marry ourselves to Team Arena or Breakout, but in my heart of hearts, it seems like we should be able to do those other things, too.

 

[SamastahSukhino]

I can understand the complaints too. Especially since the "desert" map isn't a desert map, it's a human fort with a desert in the background.

I will never stop loving Fathom though. Underwater maps are the coolest. If I see an enemy player just stop at the window to look at the whale for a moment, I'll stop and watch with him.

That last part was one of the sweetest things I've ever read on here!

 

[singhr1]

When did they say the Forge maps didn't count? I've seen it said here, but never with a direct quote to back it up.

I don't understand the variety complaints either, I guess it stems from people not liking the human architecture, but the maps are varied. Underwater, beaches, snow, city, covie ship, jungle, forrunner arena, desert...???

There's a freaking oil/mining rig on top of a mining laser that beams a hole so deep it's like Gandalf falling deep into Moria.

Even with the forge maps, the maps are far better/diverse than the selection than 4 or Reach had at launch.

Also for the guy saying he'll spend more time in Battlefront... 4 planets with 3 maps each? You can't be complaining about map variety when it's having 4 art pallets at launch. At least with H5 you're going to be continuously be fed with maps every month for free.

 

[Rand0m TAG]

People really need to calm down. It's just a game

It's also surprising to see how much support objectives get on forums you would assume it's the most played game type

I guess it's similar to how halo 3 and reach are considered good but we're shit on during its lifespan

 

[[Call-Me-G]]

I don't understand the variety complaints either, I guess it stems from people not liking the human architecture, but the maps are varied.

Empire could be a part of The Rig which could be a part of Fathom which could be a part of Plaza. These maps are very similar. If you show me a picture of one of them, I can't say what map it is. And I'm only taking into account Arena Maps. Warzone maps are much more varied and far better.

Enjoy the 12 maps and great balancing over in Battlefront. Doesn't that invalidate your argument?

I don't know yet. But I'm more attracted by Battlefront maps than Halo's Arena maps.

Also for the guy saying he'll spend more time in Battlefront... 4 planets with 3 maps each? You can't be complaining about map variety when it's having 4 art pallets at launch. At least with H5 you're going to be continuously be fed with maps every month for free.

Hum... I was not aware of that part...

 

[draughn101]

Empire could be a part of The Rig which could be a part of Fathom which could be a part of Plaza. These maps are very similar. If you show me a picture of one of them, I can't say what map it is. And I'm only taking into account Arena Maps. Warzone maps are much more varied and far better.



I don't know yet. But I'm more attracted by Battlefront maps than Halo's Arena maps.



Hum... I was not aware of that part...

Battlefront will be glad to have you Im sure. You will definitely get "Team Objective with OddBall, CTF and KotH at least! Team Double and Action Sack" over there as well.

The "theme" for these maps are likely inspire by the campaign, and after a few play throughs are about the layout/gameplay and not their theme. No one says that they love playing Blood Gulch because they like running around and staring at the skybox.

I understand the draw of varied maps, but in no way does it need to warrant the extreme reactions, and using Battlefront as an example of where you'd rather spend your time trashes your argument against halo that was based on game types, number of maps, and themes (which there are 4 in battlefront).

 

[FUNKNOWN iXi]

I can understand the complaints too. Especially since the "desert" map isn't a desert map, it's a human fort with a desert in the background.

I will never stop loving Fathom though. Underwater maps are the coolest. If I see an enemy player just stop at the window to look at the whale for a moment, I'll stop and watch with him.

Can we be friends?

 

[BeforeU]

jesus guys. There is enough fucking content to last you for the first week. Yes I get what people are complaining about, these decision are probably based on the most popular things people play on Halo MP. They have stats.

It reminds me of that Halo 4 delusion. Everyone on GAF hates but when I play MCC fucking everyone votes for Halo 4 if its in the list.

 

[Apollo Cree]

I used oddball and CTF to pad my K/D. So no complaints here.

The strange one to me is packaging break out with arena

 

[Jessie.Bristol]

I don't understand people thinking there are two SWAT playlists, there is one. Breakout is different from SWAT. But I do agree that the Launch Playlists appear thin, CTF should not have just been lumped in with Team Arena, it should also have it's own dedicated playlist.

 

[[Call-Me-G]]

Battlefront will be glad to have you Im sure. You will definitely get "Team Objective with OddBall, CTF and KotH at least! Team Double and Action Sack" over there as well.

But I was not expecting Battlefront to have it, that's the point.

No one says that they love playing Blood Gulch because they like running around and staring at the skybox.

It was part of the reasons why I loved this map. Really.

(which there are 4 in battlefront).

I said above that I was not aware of that... I'm about to cancel my preorder, you know (really). Battlefront 2 was my favorite game back in 2004. I'was waiting for a third iteration since 2005, but I've not followed very well all the info EA and Dice gave us. Is there any article talking about these maps?

 

[WordsintheWater]

I don't understand people thinking there are two SWAT playlists, there is one. Breakout is different from SWAT. But I do agree that the Launch Playlists appear thin, CTF should not have just been lumped in with Team Arena, it should also have it's own dedicated playlist.

The information that IGN provided when this thread was created, made it look like their were 2 SWAT playlists. The thread got updated when it was corrected.

 

[Pop]

jesus guys. There is enough fucking content to last you for the first week. Yes I get what people are complaining about, these decision are probably based on the most popular things people play on Halo MP. They have stats.

It reminds me of that Halo 4 delusion. Everyone on GAF hates but when I play MCC fucking everyone votes for Halo 4 if its in the list.

Nah, these decisions are made to funnel people into certain playlist 343i wants you to play. 343i wants people to play Warzone above all, we get it. Just hurry up with BTB.

Bunch of terrible decisions for playlist management.

 

[Jessie.Bristol]

The information that IGN provided when this thread was created, made it look like their were 2 SWAT playlists. The thread got updated when it was corrected.

Ah, I only read through the first page and was confused by the people mentioning two SWAT playlists. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[hawk2025]

I just read through this whole thread because, frankly, I'm really trying to resist the Halo 5 Spoiler Thread.


It's tough Two weeks to go!

 

[Admiral Woofington]

As someone who enjoys community games more this is disappointing but I'll be spending a decent amount of time beating the game in legendary anyways. I can only assume that griffball won't come until forge in december or whenever, and zombies/infection won't come till they feel like it.

 

[draughn101]

But I was not expecting Battlefront to have it, that's the point.



It was part of the reasons why I loved this map. Really.

Me too, but that's not the point. I'd take 3 maps that look the same than 1 million that play like Hoth on Battlefront.

The gameplay variants are coming, probably sooner rather than later, and you're getting 18 more maps for free. You may disagree with their logic, but they are far and away delivering more than any other developer right now.

 

[LinkToTheFuture]

Well i have found my first big issue with halo 5 -_- Break out is inconsistent to the regular halo 5 battle flow. like Swat it should have its OWN PLAYLIST. There is no reason to put break out in with other regular halo 5 variants it will be ESPECIALLY damaging to new players that will wonder why their death times are so inconsistent -.-

I really cant understand why team arena simply couldn't be team objective and give breakout a slot next to swat...

 

[PetulantChild]

you're getting 18 more maps for free. You may disagree with their logic, but they are far and away delivering more than any other developer right now.

How exactly can we be sure that a bunch of those maps won't be forge/breakout/remix maps? We have such little information about the maps the game is launching with as it is.

 

[Ricky Ricardo]

How exactly can we be sure that a bunch of those maps won't be forge/breakout/remix maps? We have such little information about the maps the game is launching with as it is.

Guess we gotta wait and see, ya know?

OT: I'mma keep it 1 hunnid wi' ya'll. Beyond Slayer, SWAT and Infection were mostly what I played. Mixed in a little Snipers and BTB here and there, but that was it. So ... I'm not too disappointed, as I'm sure Infection weekend events will be popular and get playlists.

 

[GTSweet]

How exactly can we be sure that a bunch of those maps won't be forge/breakout/remix maps? We have such little information about the maps the game is launching with as it is.

This is true and a concern. I really doubt they will add any "breakout" maps as DLC as the forge community will supply those infinitely. Warzone isn't forgeable atm either.

MY prediction for the 18+ DLC is:

• 6-8 Big Team Battle
• 6 NEW Arena maps
• 6 Warzone Maps

 

[QuantumSquid]

Well i have found my first big issue with halo 5 -_- Break out is inconsistent to the regular halo 5 battle flow. like Swat it should have its OWN PLAYLIST. There is no reason to put break out in with other regular halo 5 variants it will be ESPECIALLY damaging to new players that will wonder why their death times are so inconsistent -.-

I really cant understand why team arena simply couldn't be team objective and give breakout a slot next to swat...

I agree with the bolded, but it's important to know that Breakout does have its own playlist with all of its maps included. It's just inexplicably also tossed into Team Arena (a decision I strongly disagree with).

 

[ManUnkindH]

I'm extremely happy there's free for all day one, don't really care about other game modes, well maybe team slayer and I'll try that warzone for a round or 2.

 

[RedSparrows]

People really need to calm down. It's just a game

It's also surprising to see how much support objectives get on forums you would assume it's the most played game type

I guess it's similar to how halo 3 and reach are considered good but we're shit on during its lifespan

You also tend to get uber complaints more than endless contented praise about things that are (generally) not massive (e.g. playlists). Guarantee you for every happy camper there's at least one disgruntled chap out there, whatever the decision, with the two swapping roles at the drop of a hat.

NeoGAF is not uniform/is not the internet/is not the gaming world. Etc.

 

[draughn101]

This is true and a concern. I really doubt they will add any "breakout" maps as DLC as the forge community will supply those infinitely. Warzone isn't forgeable atm either.

MY prediction for the 18+ DLC is:

• 6-8 Big Team Battle
• 6 NEW Arena maps
• 6 Warzone Maps

I agree with this. Look I'm not saying they shouldn't be held accountable, but we are getting nothing from anyone else. No one else is giving you anything for free. You know they care about the franchise and their fans.

 

[Blueblur1]

Well i have found my first big issue with halo 5 -_- Break out is inconsistent to the regular halo 5 battle flow. like Swat it should have its OWN PLAYLIST. There is no reason to put break out in with other regular halo 5 variants it will be ESPECIALLY damaging to new players that will wonder why their death times are so inconsistent -.-

I really cant understand why team arena simply couldn't be team objective and give breakout a slot next to swat...

Breakout does have its own playlist. Which makes its inclusion in the Team Arena playlist all the more frustrating.

 

[RedSparrows]

Nah, these decisions are made to funnel people into certain playlist 343i wants you to play. 343i wants people to play Warzone above all, we get it. Just hurry up with BTB.

Bunch of terrible decisions for playlist management.

Mutually exclusive why?

You can guarantee 343 have run the numbers a bajillion times. Why is it always some Machiavellian game?

 

[QuantumSquid]

I'm extremely happy there's free for all day one, don't really care about other game modes, well maybe team slayer and I'll try that warzone for a round or 2.

Gave me a good laugh

Personally I'm very glad FFA and SWAT made it into the launch playlists, I will definitely invest some time into them. SWAT certainly wasn't a guarantee but it must be massively popular considering it's the only community playlist that made it into the launch roster.

 

[PetulantChild]

You can guarantee 343 have run the numbers a bajillion times. Why is it always some Machiavellian game?

You can run the numbers a bajillion times but there is no accounting for taste, and when this has been a complaint for the last few Halo games and it isn't fixed this kind of reaction is understandable, especially when it comes to what is ostensibly forcing people to play a new game mode they may not want to play. I don't personally have a problem with breakout, but the people who just want to play OBJ and have to deal with it have a good enough reason to complain about a new mode being given priority over a staple.

 

[Ramirez]

Empire could be a part of The Rig which could be a part of Fathom which could be a part of Plaza. These maps are very similar. If you show me a picture of one of them, I can't say what map it is. And I'm only taking into account Arena Maps. Warzone maps are much more varied and far better.

That's a personal problem, they're all human, but I can easily tell what map they are based on looks.

 

[watership]

This just proves halo is a lot of different things to everyone. Tough pickle.

Tough pill to swallow for me i was a big OBJ/BTB guy but i have to wait for btb, have to try WZ
No obj playlist either
No team snipes dam
Or doubles

I think part of the reason i enjoy those modes was the change of pace from just playing slayer all the time

The truth about Halo. You will never please everyone, and there are too many aspects of the game that mean different things to different people. Halo is single player couch co-op (oops). Halo is 4x4. Halo is BTB vehicles. Halo is forging. Halo is angrily arguing weapon starts on forums.

That last one is probably the most true statement about halo, ever.

 

[Wizman23]

The cold hard reality is objective is not popular amongst the Halo player base, and it has been this way since there was matchmaking.

It doesn't matter how it's set up, what the weapon starts are, the timers or the maps. The vast majority of players simply do not like playing the mode. When we were updating playlists for Bungie the statistic was something like in mixed slayer-obj playlists, players tended to leave the playlist and never come back after getting objective twice.

This is a large reason why Team Slayer tends to have the largest or most stable population in each release.

And to be real to some folks out there: there were a lot of people that yell for pure objective playlists on Waypoint, GAF, b.net, and elsewhere, and I'd also see those same people brag about being shitty ambassadors for Objective by flag holding or otherwise griefing randoms in objective, pushing them away from the modes. There needed to be an active community effort to be good ambassadors and sportsmen for Team Objective, and all I saw is people just go "fuck you, got mine" and killgrind or mock the other team. This just served to drain the population of those playlists anymore, and I can't blame people for leaving objective and never coming back because they don't want to spend 20 minutes playing Infinite Slayer.

Yeah I remember people used to brag about trolling the other team in CTF by having a flag parade with the last flag rather then just ending the game. 343 hired that guy.....