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[Beautiful Ninja]

Yeah, I don't think PS4 will have quite the November XB1 did last year, but I do think PS4 will comfortably take both November and December. We have price parity compared to last year when XB1 was 50-70 dollars cheaper and the extra added value of XB1 bundles this year is lower than last year. Last year it felt like for 329 on Black Friday you could get the 2 AC games, plus another free game of your choice and a gift card with your average XB1 bundle. This year it looks like it's just a gift card separating the two bundles.

Sony's got the clear marketing advantage with Battlefront and BLOPS III and it looks like despite Fallout 4 being MS marketing it's selling better on PS4.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Ps4 can't beat that, it required ms lying( temporary price cut) and doing all kinds of rediculous deals.

MS sold 1.2 million and Sony sold 850k last Nov .
I say it possible for Sony to beat 1.2 million .
Remember the base price for the consoles are cheaper than last year .
Sony also has much more going for them this year .

 

[Freeman]

Right now winning or losing isn't the main issue. They need to be up YoY first and foremost. October was severely underwhelming because Sony was too conservative with the pricedrop. $299 looks worlds better in a store than $349.

You are reading too much into this. They saved 299 for BF deals, there were a bunch of bundles that didn't count for this month and MS had Halo 5 on Xbox One.

PS4 WW sale are probably still pretty good, if they had to drop to 299 or devalue the PS4 in other regions it would make little sense for them.

CoD and SW bundles can't be underestimated. Compared to last year Sony will do much better. 2016 is in the bag already too much going on in favor of the PS4.

 

[BokehKing]

Is there is anything that I can use to prove to some of my most hardcore Halo buds that Halo 5 didnt sold 90% digital? I have seen one gaffer using his anecdotal evidence, but he isnt alone with the belief that Halo 5 mostly sold Digital.

Don't bother, outside of here people are telling me Halo 5 sold 4 million copies, let people believe what they want

 

[N.Domixis]

MS sold 1.2 million and Sony sold 850k last Nov .
I say it possible for Sony to beat 1.2 million .
Remember the base price for the consoles are cheaper than last year .
Sony also has much more going for them this year .

But there won't be a rush to get one because there will be no "temporary month price cut".

 

[gundamkyoukai]

But there won't be a rush to get one because there will be no "temporary month price cut".

Well there is a temporary day price cut which is why the systems going down to $299.

 

[BokehKing]

Got to keep in mind, a lot of those people who already own ps4's are going to be buying Xbox One's this holiday season. Unless money is tight, or you're a real deal fan girl, if you're a gamer you're going to want a new system

It's that fresh out the box new console smell and sheen you know?

It's not like ps4 owners are going to be like "you know what, I'm going to buy another ps4"

 

[Ryng_tolu]

I am willing to avatar bet that, all things being equal to what we know now (hence baring a last minute price cut across the board) it will be

PS4 2015 > XB1 2014.

Humm, i don't know... that's just what i think, and many times i changed my predictions, like i said, before this NPD i was gonna say PS4 2015 > XB1 2014 ...

Honestly, i don't know.

Not gonna bet on this because if PS4 will sell very strong this Black Friday and if the Star Wars film in December will move some new users to buy a PS4 fpr Battlefront, it can beat the > 2.5 million unit of XB1 2014...

So, even if i don't think will happen, i don't wanna made an avatar bet because i'm not sure. ^^

 

[Giriath_89]

In the eyes of the public the PS4 will be $100 cheaper this BF. XB1 will have the same entry price, but still be about the same price as last year. And the PS4 has the mindshare as the more expensive, premium console. It will be seen as the biggest discount by far.

Many last-gen COD players will want the PS4 for the early DLC, and the extensive Battlefront marketing will attract Star Wars fans through December.

I don't think there's any doubt which console will sell the most this Holiday. The interesting thing will be the gap, and YoY comparisons.

 

[Hockeymac18]

In the eyes of the public the PS4 will be $100 cheaper this BF. XB1 will have the same entry price, but still be about the same price as last year. And the PS4 has the mindshare as the more expensive, premium console. It will be seen as the biggest discount by far.

Many last-gen COD players will want the PS4 for the early DLC, and the extensive Battlefront marketing will attract Star Wars fans through December.

I don't think there's any doubt which console will sell the most this Holiday. The interesting thing will be the gap, and YoY comparisons.

I think there's plenty of doubt, but I think you are likely correct.

It will be interesting to see the YoY comparisons, I agree.

 

[Lys Skygge]

Got to keep in mind, a lot of those people who already own ps4's are going to be buying Xbox One's this holiday season. Unless money is tight, or you're a real deal fan girl, if you're a gamer you're going to want a new system

It's that fresh out the box new console smell and sheen you know?

It's not like ps4 owners are going to be like "you know what, I'm going to buy another ps4"

I don't know. I'm quite surprised how many people on GAF have multiples of the same console. I've seen a few people mention that they plan on buying the Battlefront Bundle as their 2nd or 3rd PS4 haha.

But you know...this is GAF after all.

 

[slavesnyder]

But there won't be a rush to get one because there will be no "temporary month price cut".

I am sure there will even be two rushes.
Rush one: finally having a new console for christmas
Rush two: star wars

Also: there will be no temporary price cut. But the price cut already happened and there will be no other for a long, long time. So why not buy now.
With Xbox you always had the feeling that if you just wait a little, it will become cheaper. PS4 feels much more constant in pricing

 

[ForsakenLotus]

Got to keep in mind, a lot of those people who already own ps4's are going to be buying Xbox One's this holiday season. Unless money is tight, or you're a real deal fan girl, if you're a gamer you're going to want a new system

It's that fresh out the box new console smell and sheen you know?

It's not like ps4 owners are going to be like "you know what, I'm going to buy another ps4"

And this early in the generation most people buying current gen consoles are likely purchasing their first one. I just really doubt that a significant amount of people are already buying secondary systems.

 

[Giriath_89]

I think there's plenty of doubt, but I think you are likely correct.

It will be interesting to see the YoY comparisons, I agree.

I should have said there's no valid reason for doubt. I guess SW sales will also be interesting, especially for Halo 5, and Battlefront before and after The Force Awakens.

 

[slavesnyder]

Got to keep in mind, a lot of those people who already own ps4's are going to be buying Xbox One's this holiday season. Unless money is tight, or you're a real deal fan girl, if you're a gamer you're going to want a new system

It's that fresh out the box new console smell and sheen you know?

It's not like ps4 owners are going to be like "you know what, I'm going to buy another ps4"

With this logic, there can only be one winner this holiday.

 

[mcfrank]

I really don't get how Sony has managed to leave 2 Holidays on the table without a major exclusive. I feel like post launch, they have made nothing but poor management decisions, but they did so well prelaunch they are just riding that. It seems like they may have rested on their laurels a bit too long.

 

[Elandyll]

Humm, i don't know... that's just what i think, and many times i changed my predictions, like i said, before this NPD i was gonna say PS4 2015 > XB1 2014 ...

Honestly, i don't know.

Not gonna bet on this because if PS4 will sell very strong this Black Friday and if the Star Wars film in December will move some new users to buy a PS4 fpr Battlefront, it can beat the > 2.5 million unit of XB1 2014...

So, even if i don't think will happen, i don't wanna made an avatar bet because i'm not sure. ^^

Bah!

"Go for it, man, jump off the high dive, stare down the barrel of the gun, pee into the wind!"

I really don't get how Sony has managed to leave 2 Holidays on the table without a major exclusive. I feel like post launch, they have made nothing but poor management decisions, but they did so well prelaunch they are just riding that. It seems like they may have rested on their laurels a bit too long.

Looking at 30m Sold through being possibly announced at PSX would indicate that on the contrary, they are master strategists this gen.

They had a few "unplanned surprises" (Driveclub debacle, The Order 1886 QTE fest and bad reception, R&C and UC4 delay...) but overall they have done really well and not just at launch.
Now, we are looking at an incredible lineup for an ENTIRE year (2016), and not just a few weeks around the Holidays.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

So we aren't gonna get any numbers for yoshi or ltd updste huh?

 

[chromatic9]

Before this NPD, i thought PS4 sales in November was gonna be crazy, bigger than XB1 in 2014.
Now, i'm not sure anymore...

Yeah, i believe will be very hard beat 2014 holidays sales for XB1 for both PS4 and XB1 this gen... i think this will remain the best holidays of this gen.

That said, for this holidays, i expect:

XB1 2014 > PS4 2015 > XB1 2015 > PS4 2014

Yes, I was confident this Nov Dec would be bigger or as big. These October numbers and software are pretty poor.

I still think though MS/Sony will have aggressive pricing and it will be nuts for Christmas presents and games. We have many still to switch to current gen including myself .

The software is more concerning although I don't know if overall it's down from last gen. Seems sometimes software is very low compared to last gen despite how well the consoles have sold in the last two years. The quality of the ip's and lack of new ones compared to last gen is underwhelming for me but wonder if it's the same for many more.

 

[Primethius]

I really don't get how Sony has managed to leave 2 Holidays on the table without a major exclusive. I feel like post launch, they have made nothing but poor management decisions, but they did so well prelaunch they are just riding that. It seems like they may have rested on their laurels a bit too long.

Pretty sure in this thread with these Halo numbers, what Sony's doing is probably for the best.

 

[Ryng_tolu]

Bah!

"Go for it, man, jump off the high dive, stare down the barrel of the gun, pee into the wind!"

Oh fuck it, gonna accept!
I'm too boring to made bet which i already know to wins, this at least will be funny. xD

Like i said, i'm not very sure, but why not...

So, here the bet:

If PS4 sell more than 2.52 millions in November + December NPD ( What XB1 sold last year ), you win, if not, i win.

Winner will have one week of avatar controll.

Good luck.

 

[Giriath_89]

I really don't get how Sony has managed to leave 2 Holidays on the table without a major exclusive. I feel like post launch, they have made nothing but poor management decisions, but they did so well prelaunch they are just riding that. It seems like they may have rested on their laurels a bit too long.

They've been excellent with marketing deals, and have spaced out what exclusives they have nicely. This year's E3 was fanfiction, and their relationship with indie developers continues to be great.

But yes, they have had an early stumble with AAA exclusives. Particularly with The Order, the cancelled SSM project and delays like Uncharted 4.

 

[mcfrank]

Pretty sure in this thread with these Halo numbers, what Sony's doing is probably for the best.

Xbox 1 numbers were up 81% YoY. Even if Halo undersold, it still moved systems.

They've been excellent with marketing deals, and have spaced out what exclusives they have nicely. This year's E3 was fanfiction, and their relationship with indie developers continues to be great.

But yes, they have had an early stumble with AAA exclusives. Particularly with The Order, the cancelled SSM project and delays like Uncharted 4.

Yeah fan fiction is right, until some of it comes out.

 

[Bolivar687]

That seems to be a question, not a statement.

Whatever it was, the expectation was there. It's revisionist history to deny most reasonable people logically assume the first Halo release on a new Xbox to be a turning point.

 

[Primethius]

Xbox 1 numbers were up 81% YoY. Even if Halo undersold, it still moved systems.

So Sony should put out a game and have it undersell because of how packed this holiday is?

 

[hydrophilic attack]

Oh fuck it, gonna accept!
I'm too boring to made bet which i already know to wins, this at least will be funny. xD

Like i said, i'm not very sure, but why not...

So, here the bet:

If PS4 sell more than 2.52 millions in November + December NPD ( What XB1 sold last year ), you win, if not, i win.

Winner will have one week of avatar controll.

Good luck.

Oh yes, things are happening. But make it a month to make it more interesting.

Anyone willing to take me up on an avatar bet for Tomb Raider? I think it won't chart..

 

[Giriath_89]

So Sony should put out a game and have it undersell because of how packed this holiday is?

March is the new Holiday for exclusives.

 

[Trup1aya]

I really don't get how Sony has managed to leave 2 Holidays on the table without a major exclusive. I feel like post launch, they have made nothing but poor management decisions, but they did so well prelaunch they are just riding that.It seems like they may have rested on their laurels a bit too long.

They've been riding the 3rd party wave since these consoles launched. Having the better hardware, the ps4 is the go to console for multiplats. And in today's market, that's what matters most. To top it of, Sony treats 3rd party launches as if they are 1st party. WatchDogs, Destiny, Arkham Knight, Battlefront, Blops3, are getting the Sony treatment.

(Anecdote incoming) I had a guy at work tell me he chose PS4 over Xb1 because of Destiny. He had no clue he could have gotten it on xb1.

In short, they are going into holiday w/o an exclusive, again, because they can. They'll stay out of there own way until after the holidays. Then let their 1st party go unopposed in the spring.

 

[freefornow]

I'm confused as to why NPD George is giving out numbers. Particularly when other sales gaf posters have had to withdraw for fear of losing their jobs. And now, NPD George is just handing out figures like sales numbers are no longer an integral part of their business model.
Guess it's good if you dont want to pay for NPD data.

 

[Hockeymac18]

Whatever it was, the expectation was there. It's revisionist history to deny most reasonable people logically assume the first Halo release on a new Xbox to be a turning point.

I think the main issue I have is the "turning point" argument. Turning point to what exactly? To a come back of taking over the PS4? I don't think any reasonable person expected that...and if they did, they were being a bit ridiculous.

I agree that it sold less in the physical market than most assumed it would. I would love to know how it did digitally to accurately compare.

 

[Ryng_tolu]

But make it a month to make it more interesting.

Pls no, one month is too long.
I can't live withouth my Lucina avatar. <3

 

[DriftingSpirit]

Yeah fan fiction is right, until some of it comes out.

Wat?

 

[Naudi]

Got to keep in mind, a lot of those people who already own ps4's are going to be buying Xbox One's this holiday season. Unless money is tight, or you're a real deal fan girl, if you're a gamer you're going to want a new system

It's that fresh out the box new console smell and sheen you know?

It's not like ps4 owners are going to be like "you know what, I'm going to buy another ps4"

I'm actually trying to decide between a 2nd PS4 or an Xbox...So that's not entirely true.

 

[PanicFreak]

In what way? It did sell the most, and the XB1 did sell the most. What else did people expect? Genuinely curious.

I think people were expecting Halo 5 to have more than 1 million sales. Probably more like 2 million. Also, if you look at the prediction thread, people seemed to predict that sales of Xbox One would increase to above 400k because of the game.

I don't think Microsoft can be thrilled with these numbers, despite what the PR said.

 

[Elandyll]

Oh fuck it, gonna accept!
I'm too boring to made bet which i already know to wins, this at least will be funny. xD

Like i said, i'm not very sure, but why not...

So, here the bet:

If PS4 sell more than 2.52 millions in November + December NPD ( What XB1 sold last year ), you win, if not, i win.

Winner will have one week of avatar controll.

Good luck.

Deal!

Good luck!

 

[Ricky_R]

They've been riding the 3rd party wave since these consoles launched. Having the better hardware, the ps4 is the go to console for multiplats. And in today's market, that's what matters most. To top it of, Sony treats 3rd party launches as if they are 1st party. WatchDogs, Destiny, Arkham Knight, Battlefront, Blops3, are getting the Sony treatment.

(Anecdote incoming) I had a guy at work tell me he chose PS4 over Xb1 because of Destiny. He had no clue he could have gotten it on xb1.

In short, they are going into holiday w/o an exclusive, again, because they can. They'll stay out of there own way until after the holidays. Then let their 1st party go unopposed in the spring.

Yeap. It's a simple and sound strategy. They can also let their first party games cook a bit longer that way. Hopefully they won't let any of them burn thus having to cook a new one. (Protip:TLG)

Thankfully, Sony doesn't ride that wave at the cost of first party investment.

 

[mcfrank]

They've been riding the 3rd party wave since these consoles launched. Having the better hardware, the ps4 is the go to console for multiplats. And in today's market, that's what matters most. To top it of, Sony treats 3rd party launches as if they are 1st party. WatchDogs, Destiny, Arkham Knight, Battlefront, Blops3, are getting the Sony treatment.

(Anecdote incoming) I had a guy at work tell me he chose PS4 over Xb1 because of Destiny. He had no clue he could have gotten it on xb1.

In short, they are going into holiday w/o an exclusive, again, because they can. They'll stay out of there own way until after the holidays. Then let their 1st party go unopposed in the spring.

Had the same thing happen. I am not saying that Sony is failing. I have a PS4 and love it (And Xbox 1 and Wii U and 3ds and Vita). I just think they are leaving money on the table by not planning their line up better. They certainly have done well at marketing 3rd party games, I just think they had a chance to go for the jugular and didn't. From a business perspective they messed up IMO.

 

[Ryng_tolu]

Deal!

Good luck!

 

[mcfrank]

Wat?

I thought it was pretty self explanatory. None of the stuff that made E3 incredible for Sony is out yet. Whereas MS has a pretty packed late 2015.

 

[Purest 78]

I really don't get how Sony has managed to leave 2 Holidays on the table without a major exclusive. I feel like post launch, they have made nothing but poor management decisions, but they did so well prelaunch they are just riding that. It seems like they may have rested on their laurels a bit too long.

I don't understand the Importance of holiday games, unless you're a kid Or the company profiting. I prefer games all trough the year personally.

 

[Primethius]

I thought it was pretty self explanatory. None of the stuff that made E3 incredible for Sony is out yet. Whereas MS has a pretty packed late 2015.

I mean, I still don't get your point in a way. Aside from GT, nothing really matches Halo (or matched, I should say) from Sony's camp. Why would Sony bother putting exclusives in this specific time-frame (as opposed to the rest of the year like they've been doing) only to have those titles undersell?

Battlefront and CoD will do much more then a first party exclusive in pushing console sales.

 

[Final Verdict]

Hey guys, do we have numbers for the systems yet?

 

[HeWhoWalks]

I thought it was pretty self explanatory. None of the stuff that made E3 incredible for Sony is out yet. Whereas MS has a pretty packed late 2015.

Hmmm, looks to me like Sony had a pretty spread out year (what many would prefer), versus clumping a few exclusives at the end of the year (look closely, the two companies released, roughly, the same amount of titles in 2015).

Any way you slice it, Sony's strategy is working better, and they haven't fired off the big guns yet.

 

[AgentP]

I really don't get how Sony has managed to leave 2 Holidays on the table without a major exclusive. I feel like post launch, they have made nothing but poor management decisions, but they did so well prelaunch they are just riding that. It seems like they may have rested on their laurels a bit too long.

Where is your post about MS and it's non-holiday season poor management decisions? Ya, I buy games all year long, Santa doesn't bring them to me. Poor management would be Sony forcing games out for the holiday season if they are not ready, or sending them to die in the holiday rush which 3rd parties own.

 

[Curufinwe]

I really don't get how Sony has managed to leave 2 Holidays on the table without a major exclusive. I feel like post launch, they have made nothing but poor management decisions, but they did so well prelaunch they are just riding that. It seems like they may have rested on their laurels a bit too long.

Exclusives don't move a lot of consoles. See Halo 5 this month and RotR next month.

 

[DriftingSpirit]

I thought it was pretty self explanatory. None of the stuff that made E3 incredible for Sony is out yet. Whereas MS has a pretty packed late 2015.

That doesn't make any of it fiction.

 

[Ricky_R]

Where is your post about MS and it's non-holiday season poor management decisions? Ya, I buy games all year long, Santa doesn't bring them to me. Poor management would be Sony forcing games out for the holiday season if they are not ready, or sending them to die in the holiday rush which 3rd parties own.

Pre-season.

 

[chromatic9]

How do US people feel about these 1tb systems and the price?

For me they offer a poor deal, inflated price and there's so many. I wonder if they've killed a bit of momentum. I was very close to buying a 500gb XBO and these 1tb shown up and kind of messed the pricing at least for me in the UK. I also don't want the hassle of selling the god awful games that come with them. The 500gb also have too many 3 game bundles jacking up the price to ~£299.

I think ~£200 with a game and no hassle will do well. Problem with a lot the recent bundles here is after you've sold most of it you're no better off than in 2014 and sometimes worse off than the one game bundles of last year. I regret not buying in Autumn 2014, It was so easy to sell the one game and get a cheap console. I expect Nov and Dec to stop the sillyness.

 

[GobFather]

Yeah fan fiction is right, until some of it comes out.

Not sure what your point is.

 

[crinale]

It's not that exclusive are totally irrelevant yet, but it is clear that at this point none of first party exclusive are as relevant as third party multiplat juggernauts anymore.