Business tabloid writing...who owns the WSJ now? Oh yeah, Mr Fox news.
[Not saying the article is wrong, just that the writing is terrible. Economist>>>>>>Wsj]
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GameStop: Halo 5 digital sales are in line with other AAA game releases
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Business tabloid writing...who owns the WSJ now? Oh yeah, Mr Fox news.
[Not saying the article is wrong, just that the writing is terrible. Economist>>>>>>Wsj]
Bits N Pieces
Member
They have access to retail sales, I didn't know they had access to Microsoft internal projections and analysis of digital sales. Apologies.
Bits N Pieces
Member
Either annoyingly or amusingly, we will never know what they meant by the best-selling digital game of all time during a release week in the Xbox Store.
Gotta love PR
It's a shame cosmic left the thread, such a great poster.
Well, to give you an impression from other places in the world.
In Germany Halo 5 seems to be a mega-bomba.
One of our biggest retailers 'Saturn' has the following offer:
Xbox One + Star Wars BF + Forza 6 + Halo 5 = 369,-
http://www.saturn.de/de/product/_microsoft-xbox-one-500gb-forza-horizon-2-bundle-matt--2063984.html
Yes, they want to counter the PS4 BF bundle, but giving your biggest Game for free
(3 weeks after release) looks very desperate to me and I haven't experienced something like that before.
In Germany Halo 5 seems to be a mega-bomba.
One of our biggest retailers 'Saturn' has the following offer:
Xbox One + Star Wars BF + Forza 6 + Halo 5 = 369,-
http://www.saturn.de/de/product/_microsoft-xbox-one-500gb-forza-horizon-2-bundle-matt--2063984.html
Yes, they want to counter the PS4 BF bundle, but giving your biggest Game for free
(3 weeks after release) looks very desperate to me and I haven't experienced something like that before.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Good for them, I say.
Give War A Chance
Member
It's kind of crazy that this thread not only exists, but is 11 pages long...
Why would only Halo not subscribe to the typical digital/physical split? Seriously. Just this one game is going to change the precedent when there's no real extra incentive (over other AAA games) to buy Halo 5 digitally?
Unlikely.
Why would only Halo not subscribe to the typical digital/physical split? Seriously. Just this one game is going to change the precedent when there's no real extra incentive (over other AAA games) to buy Halo 5 digitally?
Unlikely.
So let me get this straight, the illogical posts from certain people aren't actually their own fault, but the fault of others being mean to the console or franchise? Ok...
On a side note, in terms of NPD numbers, what is the best selling Xbox One game? Speaking purely Xbox One here, I know NPD usually lump platforms together.
Beautiful Ninja
Member
Probably one of CoD games? I wouldn't be shocked if it was BLOPS III by the end of the month.
Either annoyingly or amusingly, we will never know what they meant by the best-selling digital game of all time during a release week in the Xbox Store.
Gotta love PR
Well I'll always give Microsoft that haha. Masterful PR spin is their jam.
CoD AW? It was the highest selling US game in 2014 if I'm not mistaken.
I'd need to dig for actual numbers though..
As amusing as these meltdowns and 10/10 displays of mental gymnastics are I recommend that people on the sensible side of this "debate" simply forfeit any possibility of having a proper discussion on Halo 5 sales. It's not worth the frustration and you'll never convince the other side to use reason. At this point it's a religious debate.
COD AW.
Diprosalic
Banned
how's the online community btw? are people fleeing from this like they did from Halo 4? i assume not since it has a much better MP.
Are the sales of Halo 5 in the first month record breaking on the X1?
Nightengale
Member
Well, then the record breaking store sales quote does have significance here. It under sold physically, but broke records physically. Points to a higher split.
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
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ethomaz
Banned
How much Titanfall sold digital?
EA said they digital sales grow ~27% this year to reach ~20% of sales... in 4 years they expect to reach 40% of sales.
That means Titanfall digital could be lower than 15%... or even less because it was a 2014 release.
BTW Titanfall revenue for MS is way way way lower than Halo 5 revenue per digital copy.
boredandlazy
Member
Well what if the metric Microsoft used in this case was revenue? Titanfall was not first party so therefore it wouldn't make Microsoft as much money.
Please tell me anything wrong with 5
Yup, it sold 1.46 millions first month on XB1 and 4.7 millions all versions combined.
But BO III, and maybe Follaut 4 e Battlefront could beat it this November NPD.
I assume he's talking about positive brand image and/or sales which is fair to say given the decline in launch sales.
ethomaz
Banned
Nothing wrong about the game... it is great with low content and some flaws (8.5/10 fits from what it delivers).
But for a Halo... well it is not a Halo game anymore or share little with the franchise.
BTW that is my opinion
Please learn how to read a PR talk, they have only talked about first week digital sales and we know that, after Halo release, COD and Fallout sold better on x1 phisically so by assumption they even sold better digitally given the 20% digital percentage.
Triggerhappytel
Member
Your ridiculous predictions, mental gymnastics and denial in the face of actual evidence shows that you clearly - clearly - have a vested interest in Halo 5 doing well.
A few of your gems from other Halo 5 topics:
I love how people think they're not disclosing numbers to be misleading. People need to understand that shareholders don't give a shit about copies sold, rather how much revenue a single franchise can bring in with all related material.
Also:
Hey people from the UK sales thread!
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Oh well this thread is gonna get closed soon.
Well first of all we don't know what metric MS is using for their "best-selling" statement. It could be licenses sold or it could be something like revenue which give MS a much larger cut per license sold in a first party title.
Secondly we know that digital has slowly increased its share of revenue since the start of the gen. It's current average is 15-20% but it was more than likely a bit lower prior to this year. Publishers anticipate the share increasing further as time goes on at a rate of ~5% per year if EA's projections are anything to go by.
So yea it doesn't really tell us anything about what the split would be. Nor does it dispute the information we already have that the digital split is inline with industry norms.
The Jackdog
Member
i just dont understand what makes people root for something to fail so bad
boredandlazy
Member
Who in here(people actively partaking in the debate) is rooting for Halo to fail?
It under sold for a Halo title, I don't think digital and physical even come in to it. But it still sold a large number comparative to other titles on the console.
Lovely contribution to turn it around, this is just as childish.
Mediocre campaign
Warzone blows
Low map count
Looks worse than a 2012 360 game
Still no Firefight
It's still solid, but it's got plenty of flaws that have possibly resulted in its failure.
Where do you see that happening? All I see are people trying to refute flawed argue bets with the occasional jab at a particular posters motivations.
The vast majority of people in these topics want to talk about the sales, the causes for said sales and what said sales could mean for the future of the franchise. Instead we get stuck arguing the same points repeatedly over and over. Even still none of these things is rooting for the failure of anything.
Triggerhappytel
Member
I don't see anyone rooting for it to fail? I think the majority of us are just interested in filtering through MS's bullshit and trying to find out some reliable numbers.
EDIT - I think I'm done here. I think we've extrapolated all of the reliable information from this and it's devolving into more personal mud-slinging now.
MisterR
Member
We have multiple, multiple reports from publishers saying otherwise.
Bits N Pieces
Member
Do you agree or disagree that you (and everyone else here) has no idea how many units Halo 5 sold digitally? That seems to be the main stumbling block for everyone here.
You think its around 20% give or take and some people feel it would be higher. It pretty much boils down to that and that alone and the way this thread has moved, the two sides are not going to meet in the middle.
You just quote me to fit what your saying. I had a image before that thread where digital was already higher than 20%, Chobel quoted an EA report and I changed that idea. That was in like the first 2 pages. What I've said after that is that I believe the digital split in the first week was around 30-40%.
I've changed my view many times when evidence has been provided, and I've apologised for my brashness sometimes.
Best selling means the amount sold, highest grossing is revenue. Especially in PR which was about revenue and had highest grossing on the title.
We don't have four weeks of digital sales only week 1 PR that says the game was a record breaker digitally for launch week on the Xbox store (whatever that means.)
Thanks! I'd agree Blops 3 and FO4 should take the top two positions this year.
MisterR
Member
I just don't know why anyone bothers engaging you in conversation at this point.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
not much sense in it as it has been beat to death, broght back to life an beat to death mutliple times
The biggest issue being that it simply isn't halo. Bad visuals, art and blah blah. Bad maps, not one map to fit the typical halo map design. Getting outside sources to build btb maps, ugly forge. So many issues that it would take weeks to compile it all and present it. Doesn't need sprint or clamber and it just feels like the developers don't get what Halo is. Vehicles aren't even worth driving as the actual physics and weight just feels so off that I'll just pass them instead of wanting to try them out any further.
It'd be hard to argue Halo 5 failed as opposed to underperforming.
It didn't seriously change the sales of the Xbox One, but the Xbox One is also not a failed system, rather simply one in second place.
It didn't grow the Halo franchise, but I don't think that was a realistic goal on a notably smaller user base.
What's clear though is that Halo as it is today isn't working for as many people as it once did, even given the current scenario, so what do they change to try and grow again?
It's still selling a lot, and in the markets it can still succeed in, it is selling like a big (but not top) title, so there's definitely a lot of potential worth pursuing.
Also what I feel is important as well is that GameStop said none of the AAA titles outperformed digitally, suggesting we can use whatever the third party baseline us to model every title with reasonable accuracy barring other information pointing otherwise.
It didn't seriously change the sales of the Xbox One, but the Xbox One is also not a failed system, rather simply one in second place.
It didn't grow the Halo franchise, but I don't think that was a realistic goal on a notably smaller user base.
What's clear though is that Halo as it is today isn't working for as many people as it once did, even given the current scenario, so what do they change to try and grow again?
It's still selling a lot, and in the markets it can still succeed in, it is selling like a big (but not top) title, so there's definitely a lot of potential worth pursuing.
Also what I feel is important as well is that GameStop said none of the AAA titles outperformed digitally, suggesting we can use whatever the third party baseline us to model every title with reasonable accuracy barring other information pointing otherwise.
What the hell? No one here is rooting for Halo 5 or any XB1 exclusive for the matter, to fail when it comes to sales. I think it's fair to say that most of us actually want more games to succeed because it can only be good for the industry. The only games people would genuinely want fail are games released in a completely broken state and/or rips off consumers big time. Very few of us in Sales GAF are biased to any platform and we make our predictions rationally, most of the time.
You are just delusional if you actually think anyone wants this game to fail. Halo 5 sold significantly worse than the previous entries. That's a fact that you cannot change, even if several here still refuse to acknowledge that.
Conflict NZ
Member
- Missing basic features and game modes present in every Halo Game dating back to 3.
- Bland maps and forge maps that look horrifically bad.
- Campaign that didn't feature the main character for ~75% of the story.
- Aiming system that changed drastically from previous games, doesn't feel like a Halo game.
Those are the main ones off the top of my head, there are definitely more that I could go on about. I've been a huge Halo fan going back to getting CE at launch in 01. I don't know how anyone who has been a long time fan of the series can play this game and say it's an amazing Halo Game with a straight face. It feels like a different IP given a Halo coat of paint.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
Quality of a game won't affect sales or can't be in line with sales or the reasons why sales are down? I mean, come on?
Man some posts on this thread are pathetic - I thought neogaf was above this!
Personally I didn't enjoy halo much - for me far too many weaknesses / flaws. But I love the franchise and long may it continue (and get better again). I can see why it didn't sell as well as the in the past.
Personally I didn't enjoy halo much - for me far too many weaknesses / flaws. But I love the franchise and long may it continue (and get better again). I can see why it didn't sell as well as the in the past.