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Werewolf |OT| Was it all just a Dream?
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In my day two vote on qb, I quoted every useful post he made in the game. In this post, I'll quote every post he has made since then.
Lollipop Dave
Member
I didn't vote for reasons.
I'm all up for voting on Day 3, though I need to re-read, I don't quite get why everyone was voting for GreatLord Tiger at the start of the day.
Real life reasons or you are happy with town losing reasons?
Lollipop Dave
Member
Real life reasons.
I wouldn't post that in there if I was choosing not to vote for game reasons.
Now back to real talk, why were people voting GTL and Time?
I had this inkling that cabot was scum, but I was wrong again!!
Lollipop Dave
Member
Looking at how I felt about people during D2 using the list...
I was wrong about both Cabot and CornBro, Maybe I should take my reads and go with the opposite from now on.
I was wrong about both Cabot and CornBro, Maybe I should take my reads and go with the opposite from now on.
As mentioned, I stated that you "wanted to start a bandwagon," hence your comment.
So then, what was the purpose of saying that at all? The only reason to say something like that to everyone else is to establish the idea in their thoughts and make them actively think, "lynching StarSketch today might be a good idea."
You've already stated you're a player that votes later than everyone else and very sparingly, so your ability to gather a bandwagon against someone else would be limited to suggestive tactics like that.
Obviously, that's not the only reason I currently read you as scum.
My apologies, real life comes first.
Is this a way for you to preemptively get ahead of anyone who would check your previous reads list and call it out?
Lollipop Dave
Member
It's me realising (and noting for myself) that people I suspect are turning out to be town, so keep that in mind if anyone pulls anything from my posts.
CrimsonFist
Member
I notice that both FluxwaveZ and CzarTim seem significantly more active today, I felt like I wasn't really noticing Tim before now.
Dave, you may no longer put much stock in it, but yesterday I was asking you to elaborate on some of your reads: Cabot, who doesn't really matter now, and Swamped. Do you still stand by that read? and if you do, could you provide some justification for it?
Dave, you may no longer put much stock in it, but yesterday I was asking you to elaborate on some of your reads: Cabot, who doesn't really matter now, and Swamped. Do you still stand by that read? and if you do, could you provide some justification for it?
You seeing this shit? lolwow
Zippedpinhead
Member
I'm worried that there is a mechanic that scum is using to kill. Something like MGS where the target one person for death and switch them with their actual target to avoid protection and investigatory roles.
i voted for greatlord because I wanted to see where it went (which was nowhere). Now it's swinging towards Xam and maybe timeasis.
I'll vote again closer to the deadline, as I will likely get better reads by then.
I'm going to die tonight aren't I?
i voted for greatlord because I wanted to see where it went (which was nowhere). Now it's swinging towards Xam and maybe timeasis.
I'll vote again closer to the deadline, as I will likely get better reads by then.
I'm going to die tonight aren't I?
Zippedpinhead
Member
I'm not scum. Why the completely role claim if I was? We likely have all of our investigatory roles still so town still has a leg up.
CrimsonFist
Member
Why the role claim regardless? You could have said nothing and we'd never know any different. If you're not planning on sharing who visited you, which you shouldn't unless the visit causes a contradiction in with their claimed roles, then there was no benefit at all to claiming.
Saying that, something occurred to me based on what Tim quoted a few posts ago. There's a good chance I'm completely off base, but I'd be slightly against a Zipped lynch today, on the very slim chance it's right.
Zippedpinhead
Member
That is not what I'm saying there and you know it. I would never want an investigator role to claim to say "oh that guy is town".
I am detecting low morale in the village so I have decided to give a motivational speech that definitely isn't just a few Arnold Schwarzenegger quotes strung together:
Strength does not come from winning. Your struggles develop your strengths. When you go through hardships and decide not to surrender, that is strength. Help others and give something back. I guarantee you will discover that while public service improves the lives and the world around you, its greatest reward is the enrichment and new meaning it will bring your own life. Milk is for babies. When you grow up you have to drink beer.
Hopefully my amazing speech will inspire people to post more.
Strength does not come from winning. Your struggles develop your strengths. When you go through hardships and decide not to surrender, that is strength. Help others and give something back. I guarantee you will discover that while public service improves the lives and the world around you, its greatest reward is the enrichment and new meaning it will bring your own life. Milk is for babies. When you grow up you have to drink beer.
Hopefully my amazing speech will inspire people to post more.
We had 3 townies die in a single night. We've lynched Town on Day 1, and then Town again on Day 2. I feel like we're operating blindly, and the only dead wolf seems to have been the cause of a lucky accident.
So, yes, I think that warrants being more active, even if I end up doing what happened in the Dream to myself.
Some scattered thoughts on the game so far.
-I'm struggling with deciding whether or not to read Xam scum because newbie mistakes do happen. I think zip's role claim is definitely a suspicious move. It would be better to keep one's mouth shut unless you saw something valuable if you're a watcher. I'm not going to place a vote on zip though because there's plenty of time and enough pressure as is.
-I wanted to compile a more thorough list of detailed reads, but it's taking far more time with such a large bunch posters. For now, I'm just focusing on specific players. I'll have reads up on Swamped, GTL, and Makai later today. I think doing them a few people at a time will be better. For now, I think Fireblend and Cabot were my top choices for town coming in. Nothing has changed that so far. Xam is the more obvious lynch target, but I think other players are worth looking into.
I felt pretty confident that Cabot was town. His posting style of putting pressure on people and generating discussion just seem very pro-town to me. I think that it would be more beneficial to wolves to give him the ax. It'd only be a matter of time before he'd put pressure on them (if he hadn't already).
Outside of just eliminating townies, I don't see the logic of the wolves killing CB. It seems like people were suspicious of him. Scum knows he's not one of them. Why not let him be a scapegoat? I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that his death was related to a third party. A serial killer or some variation of that. When I made that post I wasn't really sure how the third death figured into things so I assumed that it was some third person's action. It's either that or a wolf double kill. lol shaky logic in hindsight.
I don't know about your feelings for discarding Xam as potential scum, Tim. I feel like he could be an overenthusiastic scum more than a townie one. Yeah, Terra voted for him, but that isn't a pattern. Maybe it was a planned thing, maybe they're just letting him be because his hiding in plain sight is earning him free passes, maybe Terra did so out of frustration for seeing him ignore advice on their chat, who knows. He's blatantly anti-town with no signs of improvement, and if you were willing to policy-lynch Time for not voting at all yesterday I don't see why Xam would deserve yet another pass.
I'm not trying to convince you, I don't want to waste your time with Xam, I'm just putting my thoughts out there. I'm about to start compiling a top scum/town list, so maybe a better target is going to come up, but I'd feel comfortable with a Xam lynch and I feel like we're eventually going to get to it anyway.
I'm not trying to convince you, I don't want to waste your time with Xam, I'm just putting my thoughts out there. I'm about to start compiling a top scum/town list, so maybe a better target is going to come up, but I'd feel comfortable with a Xam lynch and I feel like we're eventually going to get to it anyway.
I forgot about that. Maybe he bussed his teammate who he thought was a lost cause and then switched to Darryl when he saw opinion shifting. But I think the only time I've seen scum try something like that is the botched attempt in the warmup round.
Xamtheking
Member
Before Darryl started his vote-spree, he had around 4 or 5 votes on him(I had around 8 or 9), more than enough so that if someone voted for him it wouldn't look super suspicious, I would think. I could be wrong, but I don't think if Terra voted for Darryl before the vote-spree, he would have come off as suspect as he did when he voted me and then Darryl.
Xamtheking
Member
We will probably kill ourselves when we sleepwalk into whatever role kills on visit, if there is one
I have a lot of suspicion of Zipped and Ultron that is tempered by my suspicion of Xam. Each had a premature roleclaim, followed by Xam jumping in and deflecting suspicion to himself, followed by whoops. Mafia is a straight-forward game and Newbie Jitters is intolerable. If Xam is Town, Zipped is my top suspect. I don't understand why an investigatory role would claim with nothing to show for it. Zipped wasn't even getting pressured. Either this is a weird ploy to conceal another role or this is the worst Town team yet. I shouldn't have to question my reads with, "but what if they're a moron?"
Xamtheking
Member
And even more suspect, why an investigative role who doesn't actually visit people would claim at all; I would think investigative roles would claim because a watcher role could see if said investigative role had visited a person one night, but in Zipped's case, there is no way he can accidentally be confused with scum
While we're piling on Zipped, I also wanted to bring to attention that he does not want a Vig to target him. But it's not the end of the world if a vig misfires, killing a townie. Zipped himself said that he believed his role was currently useless. I guess I'm wary of him because of his self-preservation instinct.
Thanks for your reply!
I...am not completely thrilled with this reply tbh lol. I brought up batsnacks's D3 Flux vote, and Time just went with it as being suspicious. I never said i myself was suspicous of it though. To me that Flux vote felt like batsnacks had a plan. If he were trying to push people to vote for Flux, he should have presented some convincing reasoning.
Time's reply to me feels like he's trying to throw some suspicion on batsnacks, and try to agree with me?
I may as well switch my vote to where my suspicions lie right now.
VOTE: Timeaisis
Zippedpinhead
Member
It's not self preservation. If the killer is not a wolf then that player only has as much to go on as we do. Telling him/her not to kill me isn't a "I don't want to die" statement, it's a "your time is best spent elsewhere" statement.
In hindsight I probably didn't think my role claim through...
Xamtheking
Member
That is literally self-preservation
The fuck you on about
Yes, that's true...hmm i think i understand the sentiment better, i was probably reading the intention behind your claim wrong.
Hmmmm
If you are town, you can use the knowledge you have along with your scum reads to make educated decisions about the alignment of the people visiting you. Remember that there could be Wolf PRs who dont necessarily kill, or neutrals (these so called 'threats' to town) as well.
Xamtheking
Member
No, he's saying that if there's a Vig. out there trying to shoot a wolf, his claim will narrow down their potential targets instead of ending up shooting Zipped for nothing and wasting a night.
Still, I do not agree with the role claim at all. The day had just started and you weren't under enough suspicion to warrant it. Plus, now it narrows down the suspects for the wolves, too, and they could successfully kill a more substantial PR.
Xamtheking
Member
I wonder if the role claim may have come out as early as it did because Zipped might have been visited last night, and isn't telling us
Batsnacks literally said he had a plan. I'm just waiting for him to comment, and i was curious about it so i added my vote for Flux (at that time, I've since switched my vote since batsnacks has not elaborated on that yet). If you look at my posts from previous days you'll see that I've always considered batsnacks as one of my top towns, and so far that hasn't changed this day phase. His playstyle is very risky in a way that i don't think wolves would play. I will really be upset but very impressed if he turns out to be a wolf.
Xamtheking
Member
Your posts lead me to believe that you thought Batsnacks had a plan about flux's vote, and that plan wasn't an overtly bad one, before batsnacks explained what the vote was about. I wasn't thinking about your vote in this case.
I'm not trying to "throw" suspicion on him. You asked me who I was suspicious of and I told you. I also said it's not for any concrete reason. This is infuriating. You guys constantly ask for everyone's reads, even if they aren't strong, and then when they aren't strong enough you jump.
There's a better way to play this game.
RE: Zipped and his claim. Timing was bad. He could have just laid low with that role the entire game and we'd be none the wiser. But he claimed today. What does that mean? He had only like two people who were suspect of him, anyway, so it wasn't like he really needed to roleclaim. So why did he do it? Who the hell knows. Anyway, there's an easy enough way to ascertain if he's actually a watcher: someone's gotta target him today without telling him. Of course, tomorrow he'd need to reveal that information and the person who targeted him has got to be OK with revealing themselves as a PR who targeted Zipped. The disadvantage here, is it'd require another softclaim. And it would require us to trust 2nd player.
I'm not quite ready for that yet, but it's worth noting. I do think zipp's claim is suspect but since we have a way of (sort of) verifying him I'm not willing to flip him just yet.
CrimsonFist
Member
That actually seems pretty likely
This makes no sense. A vig is going to target whoever they think is scum. A role claim is not a guarantee that someone is town, as we saw pre-reboot.
Because batsnacks' "plan" really paid off when he did the exact same thing with CornBurrito? Can you even remember what the implication of his "read between the lines" statement was? 'Cause I sure don't.
We've got people claiming left and right. We've got people acting like they don't know what they're doing, people claiming to be masterminds when they actually don't know what they're doing, people like you who are forging iron bonds with others, people who aren't saying a thing, and people who post countless amount of fluff only for it to completely vanish later on.
So, are all of these "very risky" plays so scummy that they somehow loop back around to being Town tells? Because that logic is absurd to me.
Oh, and regarding "why" I think batsnacks Flux vote was suspicious...well, it's isolated and came with little to no explanation, which we still haven't heard of yet. It's not like #1 obvious scumtell or anything, but it's still weird.
Meanwhile, your unwavering trust of batsnacks is a bit weird, Swamped.
Meanwhile, your unwavering trust of batsnacks is a bit weird, Swamped.