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[riflen]

Does anyone know what happens in the following scenario?



144hz monitor
Half Vertical Sync (=vsync at 72hz)= 72fps

In other words running half vsync at 72hz that limits the fps to 72, WHILE maintaining monitor refresh rate at 144.

• Does the image benefit from the reduced motion blur, afforded by 144hz? You should see an improvement over 60Hz, yes, but not all panels are equal.

• Is input lag the same as it would be at 60fps/60hz? Latency should be reduced at 72. You will need to cap framerate on or around 72fps to prevent excessive latency caused if the frame rate exceeds 72 though. The exact rate required will depend on the game.

• Does that additional 12 fps over 60 produce even a slight smoothness increase on the above setup? Subjective. More frames = more information for the brain, which is always better, but some people are not sensitive to small frame rate differences. Personally, above about 90Hz/fps is where I begin to not see a difference.

• Do any issues occur? (e.g judder) It will depend on the game.

Thanks. I'm getting conflicting information all the time and I'm totally confused.

You're getting conflicting information because the answer to a lot of these questions is "it depends". Games will behave differently. This depends on the way the game is written with regards to output buffers.
It sounds to me like you should be in the market for a display with variable refresh rate function as it would make all of these questions moot.

 

[mkenyon]

You can use 120Hz with a 60 FPS console game, you just need to feed the console signal into your PC with a capture card

 

[Afro]

Always thought 60fps was perfectly smooth and all I'd ever need. Played BF4 at 144hz on my new AOC G-sync for a few hours and switched back to 60hz. Now 60fps look like 30. OhGodWhatHaveIDone.jpg. Will my eyes ever get used to 60fps again?

 

[LCGeek]

Always thought 60fps was perfectly smooth and all I'd ever need. Played BF4 at 144hz on my new AOC G-sync for a few hours and switched back to 60hz. Now 60fps look like 30. OhGodWhatHaveIDone.jpg. Will my eyes ever get used to 60fps again?

I'm wondering how you would change under decent lightboost conditions.

 

[Afro]

I'm wondering how you would change under decent lightboost conditions.

Never tried enabling ULMB b/c I heard it doesn't work with g-sync.

 

[Xyber]

Always thought 60fps was perfectly smooth and all I'd ever need. Played BF4 at 144hz on my new AOC G-sync for a few hours and switched back to 60hz. Now 60fps look like 30. OhGodWhatHaveIDone.jpg. Will my eyes ever get used to 60fps again?

If you keep going back and forth you will always think 60 looks a little stuttery. If you stick with 60 for a while you will get used to it again pretty quickly.

I do hope G-sync monitors keep improving and prices goes down quite a bit. Would like to get a good 27" 1440p 120Hz G-sync monitor in the future when I have a better GPU.

 

[Adam_Roman]

I'm trying to find a decent 120hz+ monitor that can be connected via DisplayPort, since I don't have a DVI port on my laptop. The main reason I want it is for 3D gaming. The only monitor I've found for a fairly low price is the ASUS VG248QE, but that isn't in stock anywhere I've looked.

 

[fifasnipe2224]

I am looking at the BenQ xl2420z, xl2430t, and xl2411z.
My two questions are:
1) What are the main differences between the xl2420z and xl2430t? They seem exactly the same but the xl2420z is $30.00 cheaper.
2) How important is is to have a Displayport for future proofing? The xl2411z seems like a nice alternative but the main drawback is no Displayport.

 

[mkenyon]

The 2420Z has a native strobing option for blur reduction. The 2420T has 2 HDMI inputs.

That's the biggest difference that I can tell.

 

[opticalmace]

The TFT central reviewer has the BenQ 2730Z freesync monitor as of yesterday... Really looking forward to the review!

https://twitter.com/TFTCentral/status/575699006111768576/photo/1

 

[fifasnipe2224]

The 2420Z has a native strobing option for blur reduction. The 2420T has 2 HDMI inputs.

That's the biggest difference that I can tell.

Thanks. And how important would you say Displayport is?

 

[mkenyon]

It doesn't matter too much between dual link DVI and Displayport. I prefer the latter just cause it is easier to plug in.

The only consideration would be if you are looking at doing a multi monitor setup, where you need to make sure you have all the right I/O connectivity for your monitors and video card.

 

[MoonGred]

Cross post from build-a-pc.

I've had a X-star DP2710 monitor for the last 5 days and everything was working fine, no dead pixels and a trivial amount of backlight bleeding.
Today I was messing around with the overclock* of my 970 and all of a sudden I hear this awful coil whine, checked everything and it seems to be coming from the monitor.
I had a look online and there seems to be an issue with coil whine which is related to the brightness level of the panel. I tried the fixes and nothing works the whine is still there. Now the weird part is that the noise seems to be tied to what's going on on screen.
Reading/watching movies = no noise at all
Civ/Pillars of eternity/cities = coil whine but fairly faint
Fps/benchmark = extreme degree of coil whine.

I can't seem to find any other case where this seems to be the issue, it's either always present or not.
Has anyone got any experience with this, or is the monitor busted?

* I didn't put some insane overclock on my card just pushed the core clock another 5MHz to 160MHz which crashed the drivers.
The panel itself hasn't been overclocked either.

 

[Des0lar]

Just a quick question:

Is the EIZO Foris in the OP, still worth it?

I was looking into different monitors for 120hz lightboost gaming but the advantages of this one still seem pretty great.

 

[joeygreco1985]

Man I still need to give this lightboost thing a try. I've been playing a lot of CS:GO at 120hz lately, would I notice a huge difference with lightboost on? Asus VG288H monitor

 

[FoxSpirit]

Just a quick question:

Is the EIZO Foris in the OP, still worth it?

I was looking into different monitors for 120hz lightboost gaming but the advantages of this one still seem pretty great.

Some people reported some panel difficulty in the beginning, but nothing ever since. Mine has zero perceivable issues.
It's not the most blurfree monitor but still very good. Improves a bit after warmup even.
No pivot mode on standard foot, only 2 Vesa holes.
120Hz feels very smooth and after some calibration RGB 100/92/86 the colours are very good too. Best grayscale and Gamma performance of any monitor I ever owned. Great viewing angles.
Input lag avg is 14ms without backlight strobe and 18ms with.
And of course, the static contrast is amazing and the main reason I bought this display.
Even the contrast enhancer (set to enhanced) is great because it will only subtly intervene when things get really, really dark. You will never actively notice it fucking up anything.
No pivot mode on standard foot, only 2 Vesa holes.

In short, if you want a 100% purebred competitive gaming monitor you might want to look at something else.
But if you want a monitor that has actually great performance in all aspects and an absolutely market-leading contrast performance, this one is it.

 

[UnrealEck]

Two simple questions, I think I know the answer already, but here it is:

1. Does Freesync work with both AMD and nVidia cards?
2. Same question as above with regards to G-Sync.

 

[The Llama]

Two simple questions, I think I know the answer already, but here it is:

1. Does Freesync work with both AMD and nVidia cards?
2. Same question as above with regards to G-Sync.

G-Sync only works with nVidia cards and likely only ever will.
Freesync is an open standard developed by AMD so nVidia could implement it if they wanted to, but they haven't shown any willingness to do so.

 

[riflen]

G-Sync only works with nVidia cards and likely only ever will.
Freesync is an open standard developed by AMD so nVidia could implement it if they wanted to, but they haven't shown any willingness to do so.

Argh! FreeSync is not an open standard, it's a feature of AMD's GPUs and software.
VESA DisplayPort Adaptive Sync is the open standard that anyone can implement against. AMD have done so and their solution is named FreeSync. The rest of your post is accurate.

 

[godofcookery]

Some people reported some panel difficulty in the beginning, but nothing ever since. Mine has zero perceivable issues.
It's not the most blurfree monitor but still very good. Improves a bit after warmup even.
No pivot mode on standard foot, only 2 Vesa holes.
120Hz feels very smooth and after some calibration RGB 100/92/86 the colours are very good too. Best grayscale and Gamma performance of any monitor I ever owned. Great viewing angles.
Input lag avg is 14ms without backlight strobe and 18ms with.
And of course, the static contrast is amazing and the main reason I bought this display.
Even the contrast enhancer (set to enhanced) is great because it will only subtly intervene when things get really, really dark. You will never actively notice it fucking up anything.
No pivot mode on standard foot, only 2 Vesa holes.

In short, if you want a 100% purebred competitive gaming monitor you might want to look at something else.
But if you want a monitor that has actually great performance in all aspects and an absolutely market-leading contrast performance, this one is it.

I just ordered this monitor, as I have been waiting for something like this for a good long while now, but the bolded worried me quite a bit. When and where did you get your monitor?

Argh! FreeSync is not an open standard, it's a feature of AMD's GPUs and software.
VESA DisplayPort Adaptive Sync is the open standard that anyone can implement against. AMD have done so and their solution is named FreeSync. The rest of your post is accurate.

Do you have a source for that? I didn't know that to be the case.

 

[The Llama]

Argh! FreeSync is not an open standard, it's a feature of AMD's GPUs and software.
VESA DisplayPort Adaptive Sync is the open standard that anyone can implement against. AMD have done so and their solution is named FreeSync. The rest of your post is accurate.

I didn't want to overcomplicate it for him

Edit: There aren't any licensing fees associated with FreeSync though, so nVidia could use it royalty-free if they chose to.

 

[riflen]

Do you have a source for that? I didn't know that to be the case.

Source is AMD's FreeSync FAQ:

How are DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync and AMD FreeSync™ technology different?
​DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync is an ingredient DisplayPort feature that enables real-time adjustment of monitor refresh rates required by technologies like AMD FreeSync™ technology. AMD FreeSync™ technology is a unique AMD hardware/software solution that utilizes DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync protocols to enable user-facing benefits: smooth, tearing-free and low-latency gameplay and video.​

I didn't want to overcomplicate it for him

Edit: There aren't any licensing fees associated with FreeSync though, so nVidia could use it royalty-free if they chose to.

Heh, OK.

There are no licensing fees associated with VESA DisplayPort Adaptive Sync. I'm not sure that FreeSync is intended to be implemented by anyone else. FreeSync is the name AMD have given to a feature of their GPUs. That feature utilises VESA DisplayPort Adaptive Sync to achieve its results. For example, Intel could leverage Adaptive Sync to add a similar variable refresh feature to their GPUs. They would have to develop the feature in their driver. As Adaptive Sync is documented and provided royalty free, they could do so without fees. However, AMD would have nothing to do with it and the feature would not be based on FreeSync, which is AMD's "unique hardware/software solution".

 

[godofcookery]

Argh! FreeSync is not an open standard, it's a feature of AMD's GPUs and software.
VESA DisplayPort Adaptive Sync is the open standard that anyone can implement against. AMD have done so and their solution is named FreeSync. The rest of your post is accurate.

Source is AMD's FreeSync FAQ:

hah, well thanks for that. feel kinda dumb, appreciate the clarification.

 

[riflen]

hah, well thanks for that. feel kinda dumb, appreciate the clarification.

Don't worry about it. I think AMD initially did a terrible job of communicating what the hell these terms refer to and the important differences between them. They corrected themselves in time, but by then most people had already got the wrong idea.

 

[FoxSpirit]

I just ordered this monitor, as I have been waiting for something like this for a good long while now, but the bolded worried me quite a bit. When and where did you get your monitor?

I got mine what, over a year ago? From a local retailer, was a return unit.
It's just an issue with the panel looking weird to some people. Something with crosshatching and electronics failing?
I wouldn't worry about it nowadays.

It's a great monitor and my personal stopgap until OLED.

 

[godofcookery]

This is regarding the EIZO Foris FG2421

I just got this monitor in. Initial impressions are that the contrast ration and 120hz mode are very and smooth w/ no noticeable input lag. (this is just after a small test in Battlefield 4 running at 1080p @ 120hz. I do notice a very slight gamma shift, but nothing that is a deal breaker and certainly not destracting enough when playing a fast paced games like BF4.

I was testing out Daredevil though and I immediately noticed severe banding in the darker areas as colors went from blue to black. I was surprised to see it, until I read that the monitor covers 83% of the SRGB space. So immediate impressions are overall good, unless you are like me and want a panel that covers more of the color space as the banding was really distracting. As i use this panel to watch shows and movies in addition to games, the jury is out as to whether I am going to keep it.

In some instances I also notice a sort of washed out area on the right and left side of the monitor, not sure what that is, or if it can be corrected.

edit: upon further inspection, the right hand side of the monitor actually has a large brightness issue (I am guessing backlight bleed?) enough so that it is really distracting during dark scenes. On some websites it looks as though an even dark grey background will is going to a lighter color over a gradient on the right hand side. It's really too bad, and maybe a bit quick to judge based on this one panel, but it seems like the issues w/ this monitor are still out there.

edit2: ok, so looking at it even more, the banding and discoloration increases pretty dramatically as the the images moves to the far right quarter of the monitor. It's going back!

 

[dr_rus]

G-Sync only works with nVidia cards and likely only ever will.
Freesync is an open standard developed by AMD so nVidia could implement it if they wanted to, but they haven't shown any willingness to do so.

Well, actually... they kinda already did implement it.
Not FreeSync obviously as this is AMD's trademark for the optional standard extension of adaptive sync of DP 1.2a.

 

[Des0lar]

Some people reported some panel difficulty in the beginning, but nothing ever since. Mine has zero perceivable issues.
It's not the most blurfree monitor but still very good. Improves a bit after warmup even.
No pivot mode on standard foot, only 2 Vesa holes.
120Hz feels very smooth and after some calibration RGB 100/92/86 the colours are very good too. Best grayscale and Gamma performance of any monitor I ever owned. Great viewing angles.
Input lag avg is 14ms without backlight strobe and 18ms with.
And of course, the static contrast is amazing and the main reason I bought this display.
Even the contrast enhancer (set to enhanced) is great because it will only subtly intervene when things get really, really dark. You will never actively notice it fucking up anything.
No pivot mode on standard foot, only 2 Vesa holes.

In short, if you want a 100% purebred competitive gaming monitor you might want to look at something else.
But if you want a monitor that has actually great performance in all aspects and an absolutely market-leading contrast performance, this one is it.

Thanks for your input! I just got the monitor myself and testing it for dead pixels etc.

About backlight bleeding though: I have been noticing a slightly lighter area on the right side of the screen. It is not strong enough to be distracting and using this site for a complete black test, http://jasonfarrell.com/misc/deadpixeltest.php?p=1, it is noticable, but not very much so.

My question now is: Should I return this unit or are backlight bleeding issues always present to some extent? It doesn't really bother me that much, but if I know i could get a model that has no bleeding whatsoever, then of course I would choose that one.

 

[godofcookery]

Thanks for your input! I just got the monitor myself and testing it for dead pixels etc.

About backlight bleeding though: I have been noticing a slightly lighter area on the right side of the screen. It is not strong enough to be distracting and using this site for a complete black test, http://jasonfarrell.com/misc/deadpixeltest.php?p=1, it is noticable, but not very much so.

My question now is: Should I return this unit or are backlight bleeding issues always present to some extent? It doesn't really bother me that much, but if I know i could get a model that has no bleeding whatsoever, then of course I would choose that one.

where did you buy it from if you don't mind me asking?

 

[Des0lar]

where did you buy it from if you don't mind me asking?

Amazon Germany

 

[Niks]

So apparently the asus MG279Q caps at 90 Hz with FreeSync. (35 - 90 Hz)

Is this good or bad? Wonder why Asus would put this limit?

 

[Firebrand]

So apparently the asus MG279Q caps at 90 Hz with FreeSync. (35 - 90 Hz)

Is this good or bad? Wonder why Asus would limit put this limit?

Seems like it's a monitor to avoid anyhow for now: Sweclockers.com did a test on it and found that it skips every sixth frame at 144Hz. Asus has ordered a recall on it, apparantely it's a firmware issue but updates can't be applied by customers. (http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/20463-asus-aterkallar-mg279q-efter-upptackt-i-sweclockers-testlabb)

 

[Goddard]

What do guys think is better overall, putting your monitor on 120hz mode so there isn't stuttering or tearing with 20, 30, 40, and 60fps video, as well as the ability to lightboost, or 144hz mode for the extra 24hz of smoothness but slight stutter and tear in most videos?

 

[copelandmaster]

What do guys think is better overall, putting your monitor on 120hz mode so there isn't stuttering or tearing with 20, 30, 40, and 60fps video, as well as the ability to lightboost, or 144hz mode for the extra 24hz of smoothness but slight stutter and tear in most videos?

120hz for the reasons listed above.

144hz if you prefer or have a G-sync capable monitor.

 

[Makoto]

Heads-up US, Amazon and Best Buy have the Philips 242G5DJEB 24" at $199.99 (regular $349.99)

Amazon

Best Buy

This is the lowest price this model has been at.

 

[Xeinok]

Any special tips or tricks that I absolutely should be doing with my ROG Swift?

 

[mkenyon]

Any special tips or tricks that I absolutely should be doing with my ROG Swift?

Basking in the glory of 144Hz lightboosted perfection.

 

[DJSebolski]

Strobelight stopped working with Windows 10.

 

[Kabuto]

Strobelight stopped working with Windows 10.

I had to close a background process of Strobelight to get it to work just now, but it's been working all day for me.

 

[TGMIII]

Anyone in here got a Acer XB270HU that could give impressions of it. Looks really nice but rough price and the fact that it only has 1 input (display port).

Been thinking about picking it and a 980ti up but would love to hear some real world impressions.

 

[opticalmace]

Anyone in here got a Acer XB270HU that could give impressions of it. Looks really nice but rough price and the fact that it only has 1 input (display port).

Been thinking about picking it and a 980ti up but would love to hear some real world impressions.

There's a thread around about it, just search for it. I have one myself.

It's a beautiful monitor that has some QA problems. I bought a refurb myself (in Canada, cost me about $500 USD at the time), then they replaced the panel, and it has been fine since.

If you're buying new, look out for the new Asus as well. I forget the number, PG279Q I think. Not sure if that is the same price as the Acer or more or what.

Either way, a 1440p 144Hz IPS panel is fantastic.

 

[hateradio]

Is this thread kaput? I'm curious if there are any good monitors that support G-Sync at the $200 price point. If not, I'll readjust my budget.

Edit: I just looked at prices and I guess I'm seriously under the range. I guess $400?

 

[astonish]

I haven't checked in on these in a long time (still rocking a XL2410T and XL2420T). Do the IPS monitors also have strobing/lightboost. Is a 1440p/144Hz/strobing IPS display a thing? Or has strobing lost to Gsync?

 

[Raticus79]

I haven't checked in on these in a long time (still rocking a XL2410T and XL2420T). Do the IPS monitors also have strobing/lightboost. Is a 1440p/144Hz/strobing IPS display a thing? Or has strobing lost to Gsync?

There's a ROG Swift IPS, still at a premium - http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/asus_rog_swift_pg279q.htm

It's pretty rare for anyone to mention ULMB/strobing in monitor threads. Fortunately VR displays will keep low persistence technology moving forward since it's so important there.

The Acer Predator z35 looks like a great one if you don't mind big pixels (it's a 35" VA ultrawide 1080): http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/predator-z35-series
The IPS version of that one (x34) doesn't support strobing.

It should be technically possible to do variable refresh with variable strobe intensity to get gsync+strobing, but no signs of it happening yet. I made a thread for that a while ago just in case - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=941221

 

[astonish]

Thanks for the info. TBH I see more of an improvement personally from variable vsync than strobing on regular displays though I'm way less sensitive to this compared to others. Strobing is critical on VR displays tho

 

[Rizific]

Quick question, just picked up a vg248qe. Do I need a displayport cable to take advantage of the good stuff? Or will a combination of adapters work?

 

[panzone]

Quick question, just picked up a vg248qe. Do I need a displayport cable to take advantage of the good stuff? Or will a combination of adapters work?

I took the same monitor a week ago.

You can use a Dual-DVI (the cable provided with the monitor) or a DisplayPort for getting 120/144 hz. HDMI blocks the refresh rate to 60 and no adapter can change that.

By the way, for the topic, I finally made the jump to a >60 hz monitor only a week and I only played some "simple" games (my pc at the moment isn't a beast) like Dustforce but I can really feel the difference between 60 and 144 fps.

It' s probably the time for a new vga.

 

[Bornstellar]

So, ULMB and Gsync are mutually exclusive then?

 

[Rizific]

Great, thanks for clearing that up. What about light boost? I notice it being listed as an nvidia option so I'm assuming I'll need an nvidia card to enable it in the monitors menu? I have an amd card, but from what I've read I can force light boost using that blurbusters program, right?

 

[astonish]

So, ULMB and Gsync are mutually exclusive then?

Yes, because Gsync/Freesync allow variable frame timings, the time between the flashes of the LEDs (ULMB/Lightboost) wouldn't follow a consistent cadence and the screen brightness would vary too much.