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Grand jury declines to indict police officer in fatal shooting of 12yr old Tamir Rice

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royalan

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Spaghetti said:
fuck cops who think they're charles bronson when they're clearly an incompetent fuck given a gun and effectively a licence to kill anybody darker than tan.
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It's not just incompetence. It's heartlessness. It's a complete lack of humanity.

To stand there and let this boy bleed out, now knowing that he was just a child playing with a toy, and not offer him any sort of aid. To just stand there and watch him dying for 4 whole fucking minutes...I can't look at these men and look at them as anything less than complete fucking monsters.
 
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I wonder when the people in the US actually do something against all this police violence. Head out in the streets, protest etc.

This shit is fucking ridiculous. Coos are nuts in the us these days. They will kill without hesitation or remorse


I havent seen the video nor do I want to. I remember how angry I got from that black guy they choked to death on the corner.
 
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The M

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Agent_Carnage said:
People will know who's the racist people on the Grand Jury and make a protest to get them fired and replaced with non racist folk.
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So you think racism is the only criteria the grand jury used?

They didn't examine any other evidence or testimony, it was just straight up racism that led them to their decision?

I am not saying the grand jury made the right or wrong choice here. But you are being ignorant by assuming it was 100% race based. If the grand jury is going to make decisions solely based on race, why present any evidence or testimony at all? Why not just get right to it?

Sure there may have been some racists on the GJ. But to say they were all racist is a stretch
 
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So you think racism is the only criteria the grand jury used?

They didn't examine any other evidence or testimony, it was just straight up racism that led them to their decision?

I am not saying the grand jury made the right or wrong choice here. But you are being ignorant by assuming it was 100% race based. If the grand jury is going to make decisions solely based on race, why present any evidence or testimony at all? Why not just get right to it?

Sure there may have been some racists on the GJ. But to say they were all racist is a stretch
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They are racist. They think its okay for white cops to openly gun down innosent black kids.

Normally it does not take a lot of evidence for A Grand Jury to indite charges. No other explation other than This Grand Jury full of racist right wing assholes.
 
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The M

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Agent_Carnage said:
They are racist. They think its okay for white cops to openly gun down innosent black kids.
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How do you know they are racist? What if there are non-whites on the grand jury? Was the GJ 100% white? Knowing the racial demographic makeup of Cleveland, I highly doubt it.

No other explation other than This Grand Jury full of racist right wing assholes.
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A city that went 66% for John Kerry and probably higher for Obama. The odds of this being the case is astronomically low.
 
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The M said:
So you think racism is the only criteria the grand jury used?

They didn't examine any other evidence or testimony, it was just straight up racism that led them to their decision?

I am not saying the grand jury made the right or wrong choice here. But you are being ignorant by assuming it was 100% race based. If the grand jury is going to make decisions solely based on race, why present any evidence or testimony at all? Why not just get right to it?

Sure there may have been some racists on the GJ. But to say they were all racist is a stretch
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Are we trying to measure percentage of racism now? the system is rigged. The DA worked specifically to prepare the general public for a non-indictment. His intention was clear all along. Race is undeniably a factor based on history, a pattern of behavior, what we know about how PDs police black communities, and the truth of dead black men lying in the street, shot by police, while our entire nation shrugs.
 
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The M said:
So you think racism is the only criteria the grand jury used?

They didn't examine any other evidence or testimony, it was just straight up racism that led them to their decision?

I am not saying the grand jury made the right or wrong choice here. But you are being ignorant by assuming it was 100% race based. If the grand jury is going to make decisions solely based on race, why present any evidence or testimony at all? Why not just get right to it?

Sure there may have been some racists on the GJ. But to say they were all racist is a stretch
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Do you think they made the wrong or right choice not to indict? What is your opinion on this story?
 
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The only way I can see to change this particular issue is to require better threat verification on the part of police officers before they are allowed to use deadly force. As it stands it seems like it would be difficult to convict these cops of much, if anything, given the current laws in place. Particularly when the information they were provided from the 911 call was inaccurate at best, which often seems to be part of the problem in these cases.
 
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SheSaidNo said:
Possibly the worst use of an MLK quote I've seen
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The followup tweet from another user was straight ether, though.

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Wow, shocker, members here pretend to be the true arbiters of justice while filling this thread with hypocrisies and fervent rhetoric. There will be a civil case, and Mr. Rice's estate will most likely win. Now if that doesn't occur, then I would be surprised. But until then, this result elicits mild, if any, surprise.
 
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Syph Medwes said:
Wow, shocker, members here pretend to be the true arbiters of justice while filling this thread with hypocrisies and fervent rhetoric. There will be a civil case, and Mr. Rice's estate will most likely win. Now if that doesn't occur, then I would be surprised. But until then, this result elicits mild, if any, surprise.
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2015 was almost over, and we had almost solidified stupidest posts of the year on NeoGaf dot com, but man, did you make it just in time!
 
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Syph Medwes said:
Wow, shocker, members here pretend to be the true arbiters of justice while filling this thread with hypocrisies and fervent rhetoric. There will be a civil case, and Mr. Rice's estate will most likely win. Now if that doesn't occur, then I would be surprised. But until then, this result elicits mild, if any, surprise.
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"Yeah the kid's dead but his family will get paid tho."
 
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Syph Medwes said:
Wow, shocker, members here pretend to be the true arbiters of justice while filling this thread with hypocrisies and fervent rhetoric. There will be a civil case, and Mr. Rice's estate will most likely win. Now if that doesn't occur, then I would be surprised. But until then, this result elicits mild, if any, surprise.
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A child murderer wasn't indicted. What makes you believe they will get any sort of compensation?
 
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Two Words

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The sad fact is that the right to bear arms is really a white right. Non-white American citizens cannot legally openly carry weapons or have weapons concealed on their person or have weapons in their home or vehicle without being assumed to be a criminal of some kind.
 
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Does Hillary or Bernie have a plan to combat this bias against blacks? The saddest thing is I only see some Democrats polictions listen to the black community if they threatened to not vote for them :(
 
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EdibleKnife

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I can't even deal with this today. I want to see a Serial podcast on this shit because that seems to be the only way to get anyone in the mainstream interested in actual justice.

Chie Satonaka said:
Oh, good.

https://twitter.com/CuyahogaCounty/status/681569473325842434

Nothing like an MLK invocation to just rub shit in your open wound.

The audacity is staggering. I shouldn't keep allowing myself to be surprised, but here I am.
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Somehow managed to shit on MLKs corpse and use it as a bludgeon in the same statement. Racism is talented.

And people wonder why black people don't trust cops, the justice system or the general public when it comes to actually seeing them as human.
 
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How they abuse MLKs legacy to protect status quo racial inequality is sickening to think about, knowing they would have called for him to be jailed or deported or killed when he was actually alive.
 
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Key2001

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Agent_Carnage said:
They are racist. They think its okay for white cops to openly gun down innosent black kids.

Normally it does not take a lot of evidence for A Grand Jury to indite charges. No other explation other than This Grand Jury full of racist right wing assholes.
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I am not sure the Grand Jury can be faulted here considering the Prosecutor's "attempt at indictment" was anything but normal. Before this went to the Grand Jusy, the Prosecutor's Office had already released investigations concluding that the shooting was justified and that expecting the officer to do anything else but shoot in this case would be unreasonable, they hired "expert witnesses" to testify that the shooting was reasonable and justified, they allowed the officers to give prepared statements without any cross-examination and more. Basically the Prosecutor acted has a defense for these officers and there was no one trying to convince the Jury to indict these officers.
 
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Orbis Tabula

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Syph Medwes said:
Wow, shocker, members here pretend to be the true arbiters of justice while filling this thread with hypocrisies and fervent rhetoric. There will be a civil case, and Mr. Rice's estate will most likely win. Now if that doesn't occur, then I would be surprised. But until then, this result elicits mild, if any, surprise.
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I don't think many people are claiming to be surprised. If anything, I've seen most posts displaying a depressing lack of surprise. People are angry. People are depressed. People are broken. There's a difference.
 
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Gotdatmoney

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Syph Medwes said:
Wow, shocker, members here pretend to be the true arbiters of justice while filling this thread with hypocrisies and fervent rhetoric. There will be a civil case, and Mr. Rice's estate will most likely win. Now if that doesn't occur, then I would be surprised. But until then, this result elicits mild, if any, surprise.
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This is probably one of the most plainly insensitive things I have read. A child is dead due to the incompetence of adults. I don't see how that should not make people really pissed off.

Anyway, thread is a graveyard. The verdict is not surprising, it is pretty easy to explain away anything involving the police bar them straight up executing a fleeing victim caught on tape. You watch the video and its obvious the boy didn't have time to even react.

RIP Tamir.
 
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Key2001 said:
I am not sure the Grand Jury can be faulted here considering the Prosecutor's "attempt at indictment" was anything but normal. Before this went to the Grand Jusy, the Prosecutor's Office had already released investigations concluding that the shooting was justified and that expecting the officer to do anything else but shoot in this case would be unreasonable, they hired "expert witnesses" to testify that the shooting was reasonable and justified, they allowed the officers to give prepared statements without any cross-examination and more. Basically the Prosecutor acted has a defense for these officers and there was no one trying to convince the Jury to indict these officers.
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This is it right here, and if anyone thinks the prosecutor not doing his job correctly, and operating under immense bias in favor of the police is totally fine, then they're apart of the problem.

People should be pissed.
 
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Slayven

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Syph Medwes said:
Wow, shocker, members here pretend to be the true arbiters of justice while filling this thread with hypocrisies and fervent rhetoric. There will be a civil case, and Mr. Rice's estate will most likely win. Now if that doesn't occur, then I would be surprised. But until then, this result elicits mild, if any, surprise.
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Yeah cause a paycheck evens out a dead kid and the killer not even getting a stern talking to.

And why folks come in these threads looking down their nose at folks mad at the injustice "Haha, those people are angry again. Typical...."

FOH

Chie Satonaka said:
Oh, good.

https://twitter.com/CuyahogaCounty/status/681569473325842434

Nothing like an MLK invocation to just rub shit in your open wound.

The audacity is staggering. I shouldn't keep allowing myself to be surprised, but here I am.
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People love playing MLK against black people, like he is fucking Exodia.
 
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SlickShoesRUCrazy

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Syph Medwes said:
Wow, shocker, members here pretend to be the true arbiters of justice while filling this thread with hypocrisies and fervent rhetoric. There will be a civil case, and Mr. Rice's estate will most likely win. Now if that doesn't occur, then I would be surprised. But until then, this result elicits mild, if any, surprise.
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There is always a civil case in these wrongful death cases. The fact that you think a pay day is justice served for the wrongful death of a child because of the incompetence of a police officer is very telling. Paying off the families is literally just sweeping the issue under the rug. It does not address the issue. It does punish the incompetence, trigger happy, free to kill without repercussions police officers. It only costs tax payers money.

Then it will just happen again, and again and again, and there will be more civil suits, families paid off, and the issue will just continue to be swept under the rug.

And yet, people wonder why the police excessive force issue exists?

Cops know they can get away with it.
 
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The M said:
How do you know they are racist? What if there are non-whites on the grand jury? Was the GJ 100% white? Knowing the racial demographic makeup of Cleveland, I highly doubt it.



A city that went 66% for John Kerry and probably higher for Obama. The odds of this being the case is astronomically low.
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Quite the opposite actually. Juries are stacked to avoid the 'demographic problem' of trying white officers for killing black citizens.
 
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Syph Medwes said:
Wow, shocker, members here pretend to be the true arbiters of justice while filling this thread with hypocrisies and fervent rhetoric. There will be a civil case, and Mr. Rice's estate will most likely win. Now if that doesn't occur, then I would be surprised. But until then, this result elicits mild, if any, surprise.
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Is there a reporting function around here?

Because I think this post deserves it.
 
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Syph Medwes said:
Wow, shocker, members here pretend to be the true arbiters of justice while filling this thread with hypocrisies and fervent rhetoric. There will be a civil case, and Mr. Rice's estate will most likely win. Now if that doesn't occur, then I would be surprised. But until then, this result elicits mild, if any, surprise.
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"Mr. Rice"?

I've never referred to a 12-year-old as "Mister".
 
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A Link to the Snitch said:
Yo, to clarify, anyone saying America is the worst country in the world is venting. Telling them they're wrong isn't going to change their opinion because I doubt that their opinion is that America is the worst country in the first place. :p
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Well, the US definitely isn't the worst country in the world. Objective shitholes like North Korea, Eritrea, Somalia etc. take that place.

However, if somebody were to say that the US is the worst 1st world country, now, that statement would be considerably harder to disprove.
 
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HylianHistorian said:
Garbage post from a garbage person.

:( Reading this thread really makes me sad. A child cannot be a child just for the color of their skin.
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... I'm beyond anger and rage at this point.

I'm... sad. Just sad.

This person summed it up for me:
Where is the outrage?

I just made the mistake of looking in the comment sections. On CNN. On Yahoo. On other sites.

... And I drown in a sea of ignorant, hateful, racist bigotry outright cheering for the police officers' release, proudly defending their bad choices for the "safety" of the rest of us, of victim-blaming a dead boy, of blaming his parents and even some suggesting they should be arrested for wasting the police's time and obstructing justice.

And, like that article on CNN begins...

It. Hurts. Like. Hell.
 
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Meanwhile in Floride...

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/nation...ke-Gun-at-Police-in-Torrington-363536941.html

Officers had a brief standoff with a woman who circled a police department with a fake gun and pointed it at officers.
"What are you doing? Shoot me!" Elaine Rothenberg told the Torrington police. "Boom, boom, boom."
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Rothenberg, 66, was seen circling the perimeter of the Torrington police station on Christmas Eve. She pointed what appeared to be a gun at two civilians and asked if they were police officers, according to police. The civilians were able to get away unharmed.
Rothenberg then allegedly stood in front of an employees-only entrance, with the handgun raised in a shooting stance. After pointing it at officers, she threw the gun and was taken into custody, police said.
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Nikodemos said:
Well, the US definitely isn't the worst country in the world. Objective shitholes like North Korea, Eritrea, Somalia etc. take that place.

However, if somebody were to say that the US is the worst 1st world country, now, that statement would be considerably harder to disprove.
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No shit. Obviously it isn't, that person is clearly just venting. The people going around saying "well actually..." just come off like fucking pricks doing that that shit.
 
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