excelsiorlef
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He only actually made 1 of those. He didn't write or direct ESB and co-wrote Jedi with the guy who wrote ESB and he didn't direct that one either.
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George Lucas quips he sold 'Star Wars' to "white slavers," criticizes tone of TFA
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He only actually made 1 of those. He didn't write or direct ESB and co-wrote Jedi with the guy who wrote ESB and he didn't direct that one either.
bonesmccoy
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Lol, George, why go there.
Prequels were indeed creative. But they were also decidedly average to poor in overall quality. It took the release of a cartoon series for that creativity to shine anyway.
Mad Max is the real deal though. Don't let the folks who are basically jumping on the 'cool to malign something popular' bandwagon spoil what is easily the best (and most surprisingly best) movie of 2015.
And moreover, don't let the current volume of those guys fool you: TFA is a massive success in virtually every way imaginable.
Prequels were indeed creative. But they were also decidedly average to poor in overall quality. It took the release of a cartoon series for that creativity to shine anyway.
Mad Max is the real deal though. Don't let the folks who are basically jumping on the 'cool to malign something popular' bandwagon spoil what is easily the best (and most surprisingly best) movie of 2015.
And moreover, don't let the current volume of those guys fool you: TFA is a massive success in virtually every way imaginable.
ZombieSupaStar
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Dies Iræ;190844615 said:
Had Lucas been hands off with the PT (aside from the broad story strokes) maybe they could have worked. But for what we have, they didn't. The characters, dialogue, chemistry etc, just wasn't there. I still think anakin as a child was a wasted movie (start him as a teen, give him 3 movies with obi wan to grow their relationship etc).
So for right now I am fine with an enjoyable rehash, we will see what episodes 8 and 9 do. I think 8 is the make or break movie (much like ESB was for the OT, and how clones was arguably the worst PT movie).
Astral Dog
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Where is the person who kept saying Disney had no creative involment in the ST?
EPVII and Fury Road are on completely different levels here.
"III was awesome! All the others very boring specially the old ones, they look ugly"- My 6 year old brother
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
I'm curious to know how much bigger the shitstorm would have been if they kept the subtitle of Shadow of the Empire.
Netherscourge
Banned
Wasn't Watto in TPM a white slaver?
A horribly stereotyped one at that.
A horribly stereotyped one at that.
heliosRAzi
Banned
Furiosa is a much better character than Rey for one.
ultracal31
You don't get to bring friends.
2nd time I watched TFA with a person who has never seen OT or PT. Her takeaway after watching the movie were she had a good time with the movie, liked the characters and felt the movie provides enough info to her to explain the OT characters.
Edit: I misunderstood your comment, my bad
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
He was a Jew.
Nothing, I am just saying that it would have been pointless to "remake" 89 batman.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
Exactly. He makes films that are easy to like, but hard to love.
DryEyeRelief
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hahaha
Twilight Gap
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my thoughts exactly. although it being Star Wars is still a big enough draw.
MrCunningham
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In all fairness he has always been kind of brilliant at creating merchandise. Even after the prequel trilogy.
TFA told an entertaining story inspired by a previous entry while setting up its own stuff to be expanded upon in the sequels. To me that's already a much better objective than whatever "original" ideas the prequels were going for. It's a better movie and that's what's important in the end.
That said I have my qualms with Lucas like thinking it's really dumb how he doesn't even give people the option to purchase the theatrical cuts of the OT for example (though that's Disney's responsibility now and right now they're not doing a much better job as far as that's concerned), but I also believe he gets way too much shit from SW fans. While I feel disappointed with a lot of his decisions I also feel sorry for the guy.
That said I have my qualms with Lucas like thinking it's really dumb how he doesn't even give people the option to purchase the theatrical cuts of the OT for example (though that's Disney's responsibility now and right now they're not doing a much better job as far as that's concerned), but I also believe he gets way too much shit from SW fans. While I feel disappointed with a lot of his decisions I also feel sorry for the guy.
Anakin building C3PO? Really?
BOBA FETT.
What did the prequels do other than provide a back story for an already existing character? TFA introduced an entire cast of new main characters, and you are claiming that a poorly conceived trilogy featuring already established characters is more creative? So what is this fanciful, inspired direction the prequels took? Trade minutia?
If anything was "safe" it was the PT, Clone Wars + Darth Vader, how could you fuck that up?
I don't think it's the money. I think it's that the movie is successful without him. Sure it's not ESB but it's still a decent 8/10 at movie and I think that upsets him. He probably liked to think his involvement and participation gave the movies something that people at least liked and he's discovering that wasn't the case at all.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Hell, he *created* movie merchandising.
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
Why did Lucas sell it at all? Didn't think he needed the money.
He should have stipulated a Disney board position as part of the sale.
He should have stipulated a Disney board position as part of the sale.
excelsiorlef
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Ep II was trounced immediately upon release by pretty much everyone
He owns a big chunk of disney's shares
Episode II is the weakest film, so no surprise there. But I remember I and III being hyped to the max at school, II had girly romances, yuck
Lord Panda
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Crazyorloco
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Me too. I wish it didn't copy so much from ANH. I get a feeling episode 8 might suck because they can't copy again, they will have to be more original.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Time will tell if the new trilogy is just a retread, or something wildly different. IMO the first movie is setting up the universe. It's a retread because it's pulling you in to want to watch the sequels. If they go wild in the 2nd movie, then it's all good.
Harrison has nothing on Carrie in ANH.
Into the garbage chute flyboy! > Boring Conversation Anyway!
Obi-wan, er, you, know this to be true.
That's exactly what he says in the video can be summarized to "Meh, didnt like this one's tone very much, I'd would've used new designs, but whatever"
Steve Youngblood
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Right. Also, it seems weird to singles scenes in each movie as being loved and then go on to assert that the only reason they're not loved anymore is because of the Plinkett reviews. "Everyone loved Duel of the Fates before Plinkett!" Yeah, well, even if that's true, that's one five minute scene in a 135 minute movie. The same is true of the Dooku fight in Clones. "There were parts that people really liked" isn't in and of itself great praise for the films.
Davey Cakes
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I loved the movie but THIS was easily one of the worst things about it. And Snoke. Oh god...Snoke. *facepalm*
Thankfully those blunders didn't destroy the rest of the experience. Took it down at least a letter grade though.
As much as I don't care for the prequel trilogy, those movies had their moments. And as much as TFA was over-reliant on ANH and the OT in general, it was still a well done sci-fi/fantasy epic with fun action and good characters.
Honestly, it's a bit mind-numbing reading all of these hyperbolic statements about Star Wars movies, of all things.
There's also a point to be made that, even if you factor in reviews that came in for the 3D rerelease, Phantom Menace wasn't very well reviewed as a film and popular culture was already dogging on it pretty immediately.
I mean, fuck, there was a simpsons episode based around TPM being a disappointment that came out in the middle of the prequels' run. It's not like people not liking the prequels was some phenomenon that happened after the fact and everybody absolutely loved them before then.
Are you insinuating Ep VII is different...?
they had a third Death Star. A THIRD. It was pretty much Ep IV remake.
I know of no one that wants an ESB retread. 8 is going to be original, JJ was pretty quick to point that out.
DrForester
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I don't think they ignored everything Lucas suggested. Snoke is dumb enough to be a name Lucas came up with.
Davey Cakes
Member
There's a reason I absolutely HAD to see TFA during opening weekend, and it was to avoid all the bullshit and just try to have a good time while not letting my excitement cloud my mind and not letting reviews and Internet opinions and spoilers detract from a fresh, fun moviegoing experience.
It WAS a good time and I'm going back on Friday.
Netherscourge
Banned
I would love to see what George's idea was...
Probably had Jar Jar's son in it.
Probably had Jar Jar's son in it.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Each prequel is worlds bigger than Batman & Robin. TFA is still connected to the prequels and the prequels were not only infamously bad, but blockbuster hits.
The fact that again there's a shady guy behind scenes that has a disfigured face is hilarious, we've seen that concept in EVERY single Star Wars movie now.
Also I agree with jett, the whole idea behind the new Death Star is absolutely ridiculous. Easily the worst part of the film.
I'm hoping Snoke dies early in episode VIII and Knights of Ren are established as the main threat moving forward, I want something like the Judges in Final Fantasy XII. Snoke is just an overused and tired cliche that this franchise needs to drop like a hot rock.
Also I agree with jett, the whole idea behind the new Death Star is absolutely ridiculous. Easily the worst part of the film.
I'm hoping Snoke dies early in episode VIII and Knights of Ren are established as the main threat moving forward, I want something like the Judges in Final Fantasy XII. Snoke is just an overused and tired cliche that this franchise needs to drop like a hot rock.
Snoke has to die to Kylo's hand, and he has to take his place. All part of the Knight's plan to dispose of a silly old sith and take control of the outer side of the galaxy. And that's just step one.
PLEASE, PLEASE DO IT!
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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He wrote 3 drafts of ESB. The big twist was his idea. He just chose not to credit himself with them. He also had has hands all over production. It was his baby the same way all the Star Wars movies and Indiana Jones movies were. Lets not act like it wasn't because his name technically appears in the credits lol.
Honestly I was hoping somehow that Death Star was somehow gonna be a different take on that kinda Superweapon. Really disappointed how it was literally the same role as the previous ones.
As for the Knights of Ren over Snoke...we barely even know anything about the Knights and Snoke. As dumb as I think Snoke is, I think an order of just some Vader fanboys in a some masks is not a good series of antagonists.
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