TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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one of the biggest western third-party dev doesn't have dev kit yet, and no info on when it will arrive. :/
Could you give us any vague hint on which company it is?
one of the biggest western third-party dev doesn't have dev kit yet, and no info on when it will arrive. :/
Why do you have to be so vague? You mean we are wrong about third parties?
Uhh, depending on who it is, that might be a problem. Could you provide any hints on who it is (without breaking any NDAs)?one of the biggest western third-party dev doesn't have dev kit yet, and no info on when it will arrive. :/
Uhh, depending on who it is, that might be a problem. Could you provide any hints on who it is (without breaking any NDAs)?
Oh lovely....
Nah, just more incomprehensible and boring to read.
I don't have an issue with IdeaMan, I really don't. What I do take issue with is the 90 pages of absurd bullshit his posts spawn that choke out any actual conversation that could be meaningfully had.
So how about we take the last few pages of this thread as a reminder of how that behaviour is part of the reason (if not the only reason) why we can't have speculation threads anymore and try not to shit the bed all over again, hmm?
Uhhh, Nintendo has been talking about the successor to the Wii U since the release of Mario Kart 8, in a reasonable amount of detail to lead one to believe they've had what they're planning pretty well mapped out since the Wii U hit the shelves.
I guess that would be ubisoft, which would mean we are not off to a great start. Also, would explain why no leaks.Uhh, depending on who it is, that might be a problem. Could you provide any hints on who it is (without breaking any NDAs)?
:Oit's me.
..but do they actually have any interest in creating software for it?one of the biggest western third-party dev doesn't have dev kit yet, and no info on when it will arrive. :/
Could you give us any vague hint on which company it is?
I guess that would be ubisoft, which would mean we are not off to a great start. Also, would explain why no leaks.
..but do they actually have any interest in creating software for it?
That wouldn't surprise me.I guess that would be ubisoft, which would mean we are not off to a great start. Also, would explain why no leaks.
Don't sweat it, we wouldn't want to get you into any hot water that you wouldn't be willing to put yourself into. But let me ask you this. Is there any truth to the "shared platform with multiple form factors" theory? Of course, answer if you can without breaking any major NDAs.
Then wouldn't it likely be Ubisoft?
Hmmmm. I'm gonna say EA.
..but do they actually have any interest in creating software for it?
Have you seen the 3DS & Wii U's software output this year? Nintendo can't risk waiting until next year to release the NX device(s).Maybe it's not coming out in 2016 then.
Only your opinion, many others, including myself, had sustained fun for months before the Wii U release, thanks to those threads, teases, speculations, etc. This is how it's done since the 80s, baby, you should have seen the endless speculation about the "Project Reality" then "Ultra 64", with several years of fantasies before concrete info. This is better than the actual launch for many of us, deal with it.
That would be something. 2018 release date, Zelda is wii u exclusive and all of gafs predictions are dead wrong.Maybe it's not coming out in 2016 then.
Yeah, I think another "Wii in 2012" situation for BOTH systems would be really, really bad for Nintendo in the short-term and long-term.Have you seen the 3DS & Wii U's software output this year? Nintendo can't risk waiting until next year to release the NX device(s).
Hmmmm. I'm gonna say EA.
Maybe it's not coming out in 2016 then.
Granted, the 3DS may be able to last until early 2017 in the West. But it'll be in a "Wii in 2011" situation by mid 2017 in the West & even sooner for Japan (maybe as soon as the middle of this year).Yeah, I think another "Wii in 2011" situation for BOTH systems would be really, really bad for Nintendo in the short-term and long-term.
Maybe it's not coming out in 2016 then.
it's unlikely this studio doesn't have visibility on when they will receive dev kits. If they have no info no, in January, it means they will receive the dev kit minimum february, right? For the Wii U and other consoles they had some kind of notices before, to prepare their teams, have a secured room to put the dev kit there, etc.
So if a major third-party dev won't have a dev kit until, best case scenario, february 2016, how can they develop an ambitious game leveraging the supposedly capabilities of the hardware & all, in time?
Several possibilities (SPECULATION!):
- My sources are lying to me (unlikely)
- This is real info, and Nintendo plans on launching a Nintendo-titles-driven console, again (not a judgment here)
- This is real info, but the concept of the console (or is it its hardware?) allows for quick development, adaptation of existing games/engines, they could have even started developing on it using Wii U dev kits (i haven't heard about that, from the info i got, it doesn't seem likely though)
it's unlikely this studio doesn't have visibility on when they will receive dev kits. If they have no info no, in January, it means they will receive the dev kit minimum february, right? For the Wii U and other consoles they had some kind of notices before, to prepare their teams, have a secured room to put the dev kit there, etc.
So if a major third-party dev won't have a dev kit until, best case scenario, february 2016, how can they develop an ambitious game leveraging the supposedly capabilities of the hardware & all, in time?
Several possibilities (SPECULATION!):
- My sources are lying to me (unlikely)
- This is real info, and Nintendo plans on launching a Nintendo-titles-driven console, again (not a judgment here)
- This is real info, but the concept of the console (or is it its hardware?) allows for quick development, adaptation of existing games/engines, they could have even started developing on it using Wii U dev kits (i haven't heard about that, from the info i got, it doesn't seem likely though)
Do people think it'll be more or less than the Wii U then? I seem to recall paying 349.99 for a Wii U with ZombieU. So I'm not sure if I want it higher or lower.
This wouldn't surprise me, especially if Nintendo went the shared platform route in an attempt to support the NX Platform mostly on their own.it's unlikely this studio doesn't have visibility on when they will receive dev kits. If they have no info no, in January, it means they will receive the dev kit minimum february, right? For the Wii U and other consoles they had some kind of notices before, to prepare their teams, have a secured room to put the dev kit there, etc.
So if a major third-party dev won't have a dev kit until, best case scenario, february 2016, how can they develop an ambitious game leveraging the supposedly capabilities of the hardware & all, in time?
Several possibilities (SPECULATION!):
- My sources are lying to me (unlikely)
- This is real info, and Nintendo plans on launching a Nintendo-titles-driven console, again (not a judgment here)
- This is real info, but the concept of the console (or is it its hardware?) allows for quick development, adaptation of existing games/engines, they could have even started developing on it using Wii U dev kits (i haven't heard about that, from the info i got, it doesn't seem likely though)
Exactly why I think they don't really have much of a choice in launching NX by late 2016. Sure, they could release early/mid 2017, but then they missed out on the 2016 holiday season and it'd be harder for NX to pick up steam.Granted, the 3DS may be able to last until early 2017 in the West. But it'll be in a "Wii in 2011" situation by mid 2017 in the West & even sooner for Japan (maybe as soon as the middle of this year).
it's unlikely this studio doesn't have visibility on when they will receive dev kits. If they have no info no, in January, it means they will receive the dev kit minimum february, right? For the Wii U and other consoles they had some kind of notices before, to prepare their teams, have a secured room to put the dev kit there, etc.
So if a major third-party dev won't have a dev kit until, best case scenario, february 2016, how can they develop an ambitious game leveraging the supposedly capabilities of the hardware & all, in time?
Several possibilities (SPECULATION!):
- My sources are lying to me (unlikely)
- This is real info, and Nintendo plans on launching a Nintendo-titles-driven console, again (not a judgment here)
- This is real info, but the concept of the console (or is it its hardware?) allows for quick development, adaptation of existing games/engines, they could have even started developing on it using Wii U dev kits (i haven't heard about that, from the info i got, it doesn't seem likely though)
Another theory: there are no devkits but software is developed on pcs using some sort of virtual machine environment like Takeda described in the quote from earlier in this thread.it's unlikely this studio doesn't have visibility on when they will receive dev kits. If they have no info no, in January, it means they will receive the dev kit minimum february, right? For the Wii U and other consoles they had some kind of notices before, to prepare their teams, have a secured room to put the dev kit there, etc.
So if a major third-party dev won't have a dev kit until, best case scenario, february 2016, how can they develop an ambitious game leveraging the supposedly capabilities of the hardware & all, in time?
Several possibilities (SPECULATION!):
- My sources are lying to me (unlikely)
- This is real info, and Nintendo plans on launching a Nintendo-titles-driven console, again (not a judgment here)
- This is real info, but the concept of the console (or is it its hardware?) allows for quick development, adaptation of existing games/engines, they could have even started developing on it using Wii U dev kits (i haven't heard about that, from the info i got, it doesn't seem likely though)
- This is real info, but the concept of the console (or is it its hardware?) allows for quick development, adaptation of existing games/engines, they could have even started developing on it using Wii U dev kits (i haven't heard about that, from the info i got, it doesn't seem likely though)
So if a major third-party dev won't have a dev kit until, best case scenario, february 2016, how can they develop an ambitious game leveraging the supposedly capabilities of the hardware & all, in time?
ThisUnless Nintendo has some final flood of Wii U/3DS games to buoy it up for another year, I would put money on a release this year.
That could be the case, but one would think that IdeaMan's source would have brought that up if it was.Another theory: there are no devkits but software is developed on pcs using some sort of virtual machine environment like Takeda described in the quote from earlier in this thread.
I find this a bit of an odd perspective from a supposed insider. As an insider, your perspective is different from the rest of ours, so I don't think you necessarily represent the majority's view.
Speculation can certainly be fun, but not when we're being purposefully dicked-around with via vague and cryptic messages from people who claim to be in the know
as far as using wii u devkits, this is something that i think goes back to an iwata statement from last year about how nx will absorb the wii u's architecture. i am by no means a tech-head though, and don't really know what that means for development.
We actually heard about this iirc. Not sure the source was legit, but we speculated that this could be part of what Iwata meant when he said that the new console will "absorb the Wii U architecture" (as in new upgraded versions of the tools/sdk/api etc they used for the Wii U, and another part being the gamepad streaming tech which would allow the two consoles to communicate).- This is real info, but the concept of the console (or is it its hardware?) allows for quick development, adaptation of existing games/engines, they could have even started developing on it using Wii U dev kits (i haven't heard about that, from the info i got, it doesn't seem likely though)
I think the source you're referring to was proven to be fake.We actually heard about this iirc. Not sure the source was legit, but we speculated that this could be part of what Iwata meant when he said that the new console will "absorb the Wii U architecture" (as in tools/sdk/api etc, new upgraded versions of those they used for the Wii U, besides the gamepad streaming tech which would allow the two consoles to communicate).
This would also mean that they can port some games from NX to Wii U and viceversa quite easily.
After what EA pulled with Wii U, I think this makes EA less likely:
one of the biggest western third-party dev doesn't have dev kit yet, and no info on when it will arrive. :/
We actually heard about this iirc. Not sure the source was legit, but we speculated that this could be part of what Iwata meant when he said that the new console will "absorb the Wii U architecture" (as in tools/sdk/api etc, new upgraded versions of those they used for the Wii U, besides the gamepad streaming tech which would allow the two consoles to communicate).
This would also mean that they can port some games from NX to Wii U and viceversa quite easily.
Actually, I can see the scenario where EA, despite what happened this gen, would still try to develop something for NX launch and a few months in at least, to see if it's a good environment for their games.
I don't want you to get in trouble, but let me ask about this ultra top secret thing that most definitely would get you in trouble if you'd reveal it. Come on.Don't sweat it, we wouldn't want to get you into any hot water that you wouldn't be willing to put yourself into. But let me ask you this. Is there any truth to the "shared platform with multiple form factors" theory? Of course, answer if you can without breaking any major NDAs.
If you're talking about the italian guy, i'm not thinking about him. It was probably Tamaki, or maybe not a source but some speculation here on gaf based on Iwata's statement. I don't remember very well, but i think there is a possibility that this will actually happen. Would be way easier to port games like Zelda, Splatoon, Super Mario Maker or even Smash, and maybe they could port a few NX games on the Wii U to support the machine in some form in 2017.I think the source you're referring to was proven to be fake.
I'm assuming that your sources are from the western third party side of things. In that case, maybe this could imply that the shared platform thing will pan out, since such a move would indicate that Nintendo would be capable of supporting the NX Platform's launch mostly on their own.honestly, i think my sources would have said "we don't have dev kit but we have started developing on it". For Wii U, they got some kind of spec breakdown, like the targeted capabilities, they were aware of that. Here, it's not the case. So i'm worried.
Because it means if the NX concept is so cool, Nintendo couldn't have the luxury to avoid third-party who have shown creativity as well.
Many more speculations to have, like the concept is so forward-thinking and they are wary of leaks, that they intent on going solo most of the road before a full-blown/mind-blowing announce like the surprising Shoshinkai for Nintendo 64 (first time we saw N64 controller, isn't it? and Mario 64).
My point was that if he can reveal it, go ahead. If not, don't.I don't want you to get in trouble, but let me ask about this ultra top secret thing that most definitely would get you in trouble if you'd reveal it. Come on.
honestly, i think my sources would have said "we don't have dev kit but we have started developing on it". For Wii U, they got some kind of spec breakdown, like the targeted capabilities, they were aware of that. Here, it's not the case. So i'm worried.
Because it means if the NX concept is so cool, Nintendo couldn't have the luxury to avoid third-party who have shown creativity as well.
Many more speculations to have, like the concept is so forward-thinking and they are wary of leaks, that they intent on going solo most of the road before a full-blown/mind-blowing announce like the surprising Shoshinkai for Nintendo 64 (first time we saw N64 controller, isn't it? and Mario 64).
Again, is this just a single studio of a major developer or all the studios of a developer? Just a clarification.
So it's not the publisher as a whole, but rather a bigger western studio.the answer is in the message. big, western, studio, not a sub-studio or a subset of a sub-studio, etc. Other source is the same kind.