The Technomancer
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...isn't he still like 10?
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RTTP: The Pokemon. All 721 of them, and counting.
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...isn't he still like 10?
SatelliteOfLove
Member
If it lost those windows, the fangs (why?), and the gray spikes on top were the dark gray they stuck out from, this would be a much better looking mon.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Once you leave Ash's orbit you're allowed to age basically.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Gamefreak did eventually learn that Steel/Rock was probably the worst defensive typing that exists, but it was a rough couple of generations for defense oriented Pokemon.
Any defense based Steel type is going to need to compete with Skarmory, and that's a tough Pokemon to compete with, since Skarmory is basically the perfect defensive Pokemon. With no Spikes, no offensive capabilities, no Defog, no Whirlwind and no reliable recovery move, it's a pretty big hill to have to get over.
Also I always thought Bastiodon was ugly. I still think it's ugly. Not in a badly designed kind of way, just in an ugly kind of way.
Any defense based Steel type is going to need to compete with Skarmory, and that's a tough Pokemon to compete with, since Skarmory is basically the perfect defensive Pokemon. With no Spikes, no offensive capabilities, no Defog, no Whirlwind and no reliable recovery move, it's a pretty big hill to have to get over.
Also I always thought Bastiodon was ugly. I still think it's ugly. Not in a badly designed kind of way, just in an ugly kind of way.
unknownstranger
Member
Rock is maybe the 3rd worst type for a heavily defensive Pokemon and yet almost every one outside of Rampardos is one. Also stupid for them to have almost 0 offensive capability. At least Bronzong (who I have a rant for when we get to him as I'm sure everyone who didn't pick Chimchar does) has decent attack.
That's what I was thinking.
balladofwindfishes
Member
There's basically just Tyranitar and Rampardos.
To overcome Tyranitar's huge amount of weaknesses, he has a great ability, good stats, and a huge move pool, along with Rock and Dark being great offensive typing.
Rampardos has none of that.
Xux
Member
Bastiodon reminds me of rock monsters in the intro to Commander Blood. Give Bastiodon Foul Play and Solid Rock. And, like, more HP and Attack. And maybe make Solid Rock change Super Effective damage to 1x. And then take it off Rhyperior, lol.
I like these designs. Shieldon's kinda plain but Bastiodon's good stuff. Yeah, that's a defensive Pokemon, alright. The colors are nice on the eyes, too.
Next Pokemon. Jeeze.
I like these designs. Shieldon's kinda plain but Bastiodon's good stuff. Yeah, that's a defensive Pokemon, alright. The colors are nice on the eyes, too.
Next Pokemon. Jeeze.
TriggerShy
Member
Since I had Pearl I'm pretty attached to this line. I remember when I had my Shieldon at the front of the party and I encountered a Golbat. I tried to run of course, but Golbat being faster kind of ruined that plan. Then it decided it would be a good idea to use Mean Look, locking my Shieldon in the battle, my Shieldon's only attacking move was Take Down, which was working quite well, however Golbat had Leech Life making this random battle last what felt like forever. I eventually got tired of this and just caught the Golbat. Once my Shieldon became Bastiodon, I realized that I already had 3 Pokémon weak to Fighting types and was for the best that I didn't have another, though I loved how well it took hits.
Aw damn, I missed the Shinx/Luxio/Luxray line. When I first learned how to use the Poke Radar in Platinum I caught around ten shiny Shinxes, just for the hell of it.
I've always seen them more as lions (largely thanks to the tail) than lynxes, although they borrow elements from both. I'm disappointed by Luxray's stats though, just as I was with Pyroar: both of them scream "wasted potential" to me. Why give Luxray such a low speed stat and give Pyroar the hidden ability Moxie when it has such a low attack stat?
I've always seen them more as lions (largely thanks to the tail) than lynxes, although they borrow elements from both. I'm disappointed by Luxray's stats though, just as I was with Pyroar: both of them scream "wasted potential" to me. Why give Luxray such a low speed stat and give Pyroar the hidden ability Moxie when it has such a low attack stat?
Looking at Shieldon and Bastiodon, I actually like their designs. Shieldon is especially adorable.
But holy shit they're so bad in gameplay. Rock/Steel is one of the worst defensive typings ever, and even in Sinnoh there's a better Rock/Steel defensive option in Probopass, who has a better movepool and at least a mediocre instead of terrible Special Attack.
You can get hit while using Fly against a Pokemon with No Guard. That's hilarious.
But holy shit they're so bad in gameplay. Rock/Steel is one of the worst defensive typings ever, and even in Sinnoh there's a better Rock/Steel defensive option in Probopass, who has a better movepool and at least a mediocre instead of terrible Special Attack.
I was thinking about that, but No Guard has the same issue.
You can get hit while using Fly against a Pokemon with No Guard. That's hilarious.
Pieman0920
Member
Shieldon kind of remind me of Rhenoplos from Monster Hunter. Though I guess that's really not a favorable thing to reminded of.
Also, I'm still startled by the amount of people who kept on thinking that Cranidos/Rampardos were supposed to be T-Rex.
Also, I'm still startled by the amount of people who kept on thinking that Cranidos/Rampardos were supposed to be T-Rex.
I'm guessing after Bug and Grass? Or Ice and Psychic aren't great either.
Ice is undeniable the worst defensive type for having a grand total of 1 resistance.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Is there precedent since Gen II for them reshuffling the resistances? Rock should not be weak to Fighting, and Ice should be resistant to like, Poison, Dragon and Water
pokemonsquared
Banned
Yeah, I think the Sinnoh pokedex as a whole is pretty underrated and mistreated by the fandom but I'm not too big a fan of this line :/
I like old castle face in terms of design at least. But yeah, gamefreak really needs to realize that rock is an awful defensive type. Like, almost all rock pokemon have stat distributions like they're meant to be tanks/walls, and that just doesn't work. You'd think that'd stop happening when steel was pretty much them going "oh damn, that didn't work, here's a new defensive type that actually works right", but nope.
Oh, and in a random note, I just hit the episode where Squirtle leaves, and man, that was a lame departure episode. I guess it's mostly just that the "firefighting tournament" wasn't a great idea and only resulted in a lot of shots of Pokemon squirting water and little else, but yeah, Charizard faired a lot better. And the writers forgetting they can just send a Pokemon back to Oak as a reserve really does extend into Johto. Still got Pokemon getting written off left and right...
Oh, and in a random note, I just hit the episode where Squirtle leaves, and man, that was a lame departure episode. I guess it's mostly just that the "firefighting tournament" wasn't a great idea and only resulted in a lot of shots of Pokemon squirting water and little else, but yeah, Charizard faired a lot better. And the writers forgetting they can just send a Pokemon back to Oak as a reserve really does extend into Johto. Still got Pokemon getting written off left and right...
TriggerShy
Member
I find Shield pretty adorable.
By the way, Shieldon is 57.0kg and Ash just so happen to save 3 of them by grabbing onto the rope.
By the way, Shieldon is 57.0kg and Ash just so happen to save 3 of them by grabbing onto the rope.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Ice is the worst defensive typing in the game. Not only does it have some very common resistances (Rock, Fire, Fighting), but it resists only one type.
Bug is not that bad; it resists both Fighting and Ground.
Gen VI removed the Steel type's resistances to Ghost and Dark, probably to compensate for the resistance to the new Fairy type.
I definitely agree that Ice and Rock need some serious help with their weaknesses and resistances. Ice should at the very least resist Water.
TriggerShy
Member
Shiny Hunting with the Radar takes some crazy patience and you went out of your way to get ten of them? Nice job.
If Ice were to suddenly resist Water, then Scald should be super effective against Ice like Freeze-Dry is to Water.
They'll never buff Ice because it's supposed to be the glass cannon type as far as Game Freak is concerned. Too bad that went out of the window when they decided to give Ice Beam to pretty much every single water type, which unlike Ice, is considered one of the best defensive types in the game.
The glass cannon thing would only really work if Ice types moves were exclusive to Ice Pokemon. That would actually force people to use them if they want to deal with all those Ground and Dragon Pokemon with 4x weaknesses.
No it shouldn't, because Scald is already a fucking dumb move.
"Let's make a Water-type move that's marginally weaker than Surf, but add a fairly high 30% burn chance because clearly Water is the type that should be burning stuff. Oh, and let's make it a widely available TM unlike its Fire-type counterpart Lava Plume."
Scald is part of the entire Water-type clusterfuck that lead to the disaster that was 5th gen's competitive scene. The only way I'd even consider your idea balanced would be to reduce its base power to 70 and reduce its chance of status to 10%, so that it at least mirrors Freeze-Dry in those aspects.
The idea that Gamefreak wants Ice to be the glass cannon type makes no sense when they keep making defensive Ice types like Avalugg instead of glass cannons like Weavile.
Professor Beef
Banned
SenorArdilla
Member
Let's give bulky Water Pokemon a way to make themselves even more bulky. Brilliant!
I can't complain much when it made Suicune and Milotic even better.
It still boggles my mind that Scald is a TM that can be learned by over 100 different Water Pokemon, while Lava Plume is learn-only for a few Pokemon.
I've seen people justify it with "Well not all Fire types can make lava," as if most Water types being able to superheat water inside their bodies to its boiling point is any more logical. I guess it's the magical temperature control that allows every Water type on the planet to use Ice Beam.
unknownstranger
Member
I was referring to Ice and Grass.
Half the time I think Water is the best type purely because of Scald. But the type in general is extremely powerful. Only two not very common weaknesses, good stab moves along with generally at least also having ice moves, rain in general, and often having pretty good stats overall.
At least Grass got a defensive buff this gen >.>
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Shieldon is kawaii.
also, last week's Oha Suta (a children's program) they ranked the best "attributes" of Ash, the 1st place is his massive strength (joked by anime general as Ash's gains). If you're wondering 2nd and 3rd they're his leaping abilities and his ability to move fast.
also, last week's Oha Suta (a children's program) they ranked the best "attributes" of Ash, the 1st place is his massive strength (joked by anime general as Ash's gains). If you're wondering 2nd and 3rd they're his leaping abilities and his ability to move fast.
Water's fallen off somewhat this generation thanks to the Rain nerf and power creep from Pokemon in other types. Also Primal Groudon.
But yes, Water has always been one of the best types in the game. Fantastic weaknesses and resistances, great STAB attacking type, ridiculous movepools.
TriggerShy
Member
I was honestly just thinking that Scald shouldn't be a TM anymore. Very few actually learn it naturally. Gamefreak has buffed and nerfed moves before so I was thinking in terms of them doing so for Scald. My reason for Scald was that if a Pokémon was frozen, Scald was a move that could get them out.
In regards to the defensive Ice types, I do think it was to cover the weaknesses, but I think it was mostly to counter what Ice types are already good at countering. Ground and Dragon. Ice types being able to take out two of the most offensive types by themselves is great, so to me defensive Ice types aren't the main problem, but like you said, there should be more Ice types like Weavile, there should be more in general. However, I think the main problem is that other Pokémon can do an Ice types job with less drawbacks.
Anyway, Bastiodon!
papertoonz
Member
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Before I start writing up this next one we're all in agreement the next family is Sinnoh's worst, right?
Feel the Burm
Dark Orchid
Member
The last Pokemon I needed for my National Dex in White was Mothim because I completely forgot it existed and was trying to find "the non-evolving Pokemon after Wormadam" for a day.
Do the lake guardians count as a family? Because those are awful.
Werewolf Jones
Gold Member
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Nah I still think the elf line are crappier.
Professor Beef
Banned
WHEN IT'S TIME TO PARTY WE WILL ALWAYS PARTY HARD
PARTY HARD
PARTY HARD
PARTY HARD
PARTY HARD
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
We still lack a triceratops Pokemon.
People kept using Bastidion but he isn't
People kept using Bastidion but he isn't
Ash Ketchum: Son of Odin
SoundPulse
Banned
Kid also has super speed. Damn, son.
The what?
MikeBreezy92
Member
Finneon is worse. At least Burmy has a gimmick.
ColtraineGF
Member
Probably the Lake Trio.