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Kotaku: Sony is working on a ‘PS4.5; briefing devs on plans for a more powerful PS4

Achire

Member
I'm more than willing to buy a new PS4 revision just for SATA3 and 4.8 GHz WIFI, to be honest.

I'm guessing we'll get something similar to what happened with the 360, i.e. later models including HDMI etc. Just add support for 4K output and 4K blu-rays. 4K GUI on the OS, maybe some indie games (that don't use Unity, lol) that run at 4K. As others have mentioned, expecting a console to run AAA games at 4K at this point in time is Krazy Ken talk. Maybe include a small increase in the spec, like 3DS to New 3DS? Really doubt we'll see anything major since the price needs to stay competitive.
 

labx

Banned
so all the speech of durability and longevity is all gone I guess. Why bother with SonyVR. 3 years of ps4 and already making rumors or even worst being serious? What a way to milk the costumers. So I guess FFVX and P5 for ps4.5.0.5
 

Muzicfreq

Banned
If anything might be a post processing chip to upscale in real time or close to. I don't think Sony wou... Nvm who knows. We just have to wait and see
 
Maybe it's really just the PS5 and some devs called it a PS4.5 because it's just the same hardware setup, but more powerful. With the move to X86, that's really what it should be anyways. The PS4 was released in 2013 and we're in year 3 already and Sony likely started working on the next box right after the PS4 was released. So it'd make sense that developers would be talking about it already, especially if we're back to a good 5 year cycle instead of a bullshit 7-8 year cycle (which was waaaaay too long). The PS5 being the PS4, but better and with full BC is exactly what I want out of it.

And even if it was a ps4.5, Sony could easily just decide to call it a ps5, release it 2018 and everyone would stop complaining!
Except for those who want this generation to drag like the last one did. If any generation needed to be cut short it's this one. Just look at the number of games that have been disappointing from a technical point of view. And then imagine what pc's will be capable of in the next few years. These consoles will be so far behind that a significant number of people would be contemplating moving over to pc gaming and complaining non stop in DF threads about lazy developers and what not.
 
Maybe not phones but consoles are quite literal the only peace of consumer technology on a 5+ year lifespan without a refresh.

I mean cars, phones, tablets, microwaves, refrigerators, TVs, PCs, GPUs, CPUs, etc. etc. All have yearly or bi yearly refresh rates.

Yeah. There is no piece of tech that you would buy today thinking it wont be replaced by an updated version within 2-3 years, especially if its successful.

I mean you can make a meta commentary on our consumer culture and planned obsolence but the fact is that Consoles have been the outlier not the the other way round.
 

Lingitiz

Member
I'm curious what kind of upgrade paths they will provide. PC is so different in that nobody really buys a brand new PC every 2 or 3 years. With the strength of Intel CPU's, almost everyone just buys a new graphics card every two or three years and there's no real need to tweak much beyond that point. Your installed games stay where they are, no need to reinstall everything and start from scratch.

If you really have to buy a new system for this upgrade, it's gonna be a real pain redownloading everything and messing with saves and all that, especially with PSN's shit servers. I also upgraded my HDD to a 2TB so there's that too.
 
I buy this rumor. I kind of figured Sony and Microsoft would start to push 4k eventually but I didn't think this soon. It'll probably just be a way to push 4k and VR and that's it. The PS4 is still so popular and relatively fresh in anyone's mind they can't afford to replace it so quickly. Just saying it's a new addition of PS4 with 4k will do the trick. It won't alienate anyone and those who can afford 4k TVs and can probably afford this will benefit from the added screen resolution without making existing owners feel obsolete.
 

III-V

Member
As long as Sony can deliver a generation gap with the next update, Im all in. Even if its just an incremental upgrade if it improves performance on existing or upcoming titles, ill trade in.
 
I'm fully expecting both MS and Sony to bring new consoles in either holiday 17 or 18, and this has been my belief since current gen was launched.

Future updates will be dictated by hardware advancements and increasing demand for more power for things like VR and 4K. There won't be a set time schedule for upgrades, they'll come when there's enough hardware updates to warrant an upgraded SKU. These days it'll invariably mean at least three years, expecting at least one process node jump. 4-5 years is more likely in my opinion.

7 year console generations never even existed outside PS360 which were back during launch top of the line hardware sold at a loss, and needed a long time recuperate the losses. With a consistent x86 mainstream approach with forwards/backwards compatibility console gamers can keep playing their games, Sony and MS can expect hardware sold in the black, and devs can expect a larger user base for games supporting the newest hardware, instead of the old risky and expensive clean sweep between generations.

The only negatives I see worth mentioning is devs would need to optimize for two SKUs, which isn't really a big problem considering what they're doing now with remasters and PC ports. Given the transition period between the new and old SKU, devs might keep making games for the lowest common denominator, and the only benefits of the new SKU might be higher res and FPS. I'd still expect them to eventually start making games with only the newest SKU in mind, which could in turn create problems if they try to shoehorn poorly working versions for the older consoles. Ultimately it's not really any different from what has been already done with the recent transition, except we had no real compatibility and everything has been done extremely expensively manually porting everything between the old and new consoles. The rest of the complaints I see as nothing but fearing change, missing out, and feeling bad when their relatively recent console gets dethroned in favor of a newer model.

As for 4K gaming, It's just marketing talk meant for people who don't know anything about technology and need simple buzzwords. I don't think you're going to be playing AAA titles at 4K on a console in a few years, that's just not a priority for developers outside marketing for idiots. Resolution simply isn't the best way to bring better visuals in games at this point. Most console gamers are stuck with 1080p TV's for years, so more than likely devs will keep 1080p as the resolution, and utilize the extra power for things like supersampling /AA/HDR and more advanced effects. There's still going to be 4K games no doubt, but those are likely to be limited to otherwise undemanding games.
 

-hadouken

Member
PS4? 4K? Might as well call it PS5.
And alienate the PS4 playerbase? PS4K will be an incremental upgrade - keeping everything that has made the PS4 a success, whilst catering to another segment of the market (and providing proper hardware for those who want a more robust VR experience). PS5 is the very last thing they would want to call it. PS4K will compliment the PS4, not kill it.
 

Zee-Row

Banned
I wouldn't be as mad about this if the PS4 was designed in a way to let me upgrade individual parts instead of replacing the entire console.
 
So... If this isn't true can we expect a Sony statement in the near future? And if it is true when would we hear about it? E3?

I don't know why but I have a feeling we'll never really get an answer on any of this.
 

wapplew

Member
So... If this isn't true can we expect a Sony statement in the near future? And if it is true when would we hear about it? E3?

I don't know why but I have a feeling we'll never really get an answer on any of this.

They need to answer this because PS4 sales will tank otherwise.
 

RoboPlato

I'd be in the dick
How did this article pass the logic check of 4K + ~$400 + maybe this year? It seems like a non-starter. Unless the 4K point is simply an output resolution - so newer hdmi spec meaning indie stuff and less intensive games could use it.

This is what I'm expecting. It may have some mild CPU/GPU improvements but it'll mostly be the new HDMI spec with support for 4k blu rays and 2D games. There may be some nice upscaling features from 1080p, it's an even scale so it looks nice, but I highly doubt it'll be native 4k in AAA games.
 

Sanctuary

Member
If this actually happens, it will just shoot the "consoles are cheaper" theory through the head. Even if they had a PS4.5 unit, and a PS4.5 upgrade box or whatever, it would still make more sense to just buy the unit depending on how old your PS4 is, or how much you've used it. Because it would theoretically be the weakest link and prone to dying first. Then you're stuck with an upgrade box that you can't even use, and are forced to buy a unit anyway. That's why a generation of lego upgrades will definitely not work at all.
 
This sounds crazy. They haven't even released PSVR and now this talk of a PS4.5. Hope they don't shoot themselves in the foot. Things are going good for Sony after learning from their mistakes and finally making some money now. Don't let the momentum fall by making some stupid decisions. Let the PSVR take off, see how it is received before jumping to another hardware so soon. If all goes well, release a PS5 earlier than usual with PSVR 2.0.
 

Goliath

Member
Why would anyone be for this? It's around 3 years in and my big games are still cross platform with the PS3. Why divide the user base and scare the early adapters of systems. It's not like the new games would push the hardware. They wouldn't wanna lose out on PS4 money catering to the small PS4.5 base.
 
Realistically, they can't make a $400 box that will render games in 4K, and they won't be able to for years to come. I find it much more likely that we're talking about something like the first PS3 Slim: an update to the newest HDMI spec so it can play the newest kind of Blu Ray.
 

Sanctuary

Member
This sounds crazy. They haven't even released PSVR and now this talk of a PS4.5. Hope they don't shoot themselves in the foot. Things are going good for Sony after learning from their mistakes and finally making some money now. Don't let the momentum fall by making some stupid decisions. Let the PSVR take off, see how it is received before jumping to another hardware so soon. If all goes well, release a PS5 earlier than usual with PSVR 2.0.

If this is more than rumor, I wouldn't be surprised if one of the main reasons behind this is because of PSVR. They want all of their games to be at 60fps without exception, yet they are all going to look like utter shit to maintain that.

Realistically, they can't make a $400 box that will render games in 4K, and they won't be able to for years to come. I find it much more likely that we're talking about something like the first PS3 Slim: an update to the newest HDMI spec so it can play the newest kind of Blu Ray.

The nomenclature doesn't make much sense here though. Unless we just never heard the Slim called a PS3.5 (which they might have used internally).
 
People couldn't even get their shit together on what the PSVR breakout box was for initially and we're expected to believe this? lol

Watch this end up being the PS4 'Slim' with UHD movie support; fluffed up by hypotheticals posited on the GDC convention floor.
 

GamerJM

Banned
I've said it before and I'll say it again: I'll be disappointed if this happens and I don't think it's a good idea. The only way to play every new release at the optimal performance quality is to buy three new consoles every three or so years which is ridiculous. Even if they offer some console trade-in program or something I won't be happy because I collect consoles so I'm not trading in my old consoles.
 

KingJ2002

Member
Remember that the PS4 came out in 2013... we're about half way into the 5 year cycle.

If this upgrade happens... then this will definitely be the last "5 year" generation we will see from console makers.

since more titles are becoming services and embracing a digital future... consoles will start to see their lifespan shorten... from 5 years to 2-3 years. I always thought Nintendo would be the first to usher this in with the NX but Microsoft & Sony might beat them to it.

either way... this is necessary for the long term plan... technology doesnt require 5 year cycles and consumers are now softened to the idea thanks to apple and samsung.

If console makers subsidize consoles... place them on monthly plans with "upgrade prices" then i can see this cycle work for most households.
 

Zipzo

Banned
The prospect of this actually does not make me happy, as a PS4 owner. It was an expensive console and IMO has not been given a long enough generation of its own for me to feel like I'm ready for a next version, especially if that next version is going to cost as much as or more than the PS4.

The beauty of console generations thus far has been (in most cases) that when the new console is on the horizon, you already feel content with the current one. That you got enough out of it, and you're ready to step forward.

PS4 has not reached that yet for me, and it would be a colossal error to leapfrog the onset of that contentment before expiring the relevance of it. Seriously, this is SEGA levels of bad console release planning, and we all know what happened to them.
 

Gxgear

Member
"Let's abandon the established 40million install base, and chase the nonexistent 4k console market."

That seems unlikely unless it's for next-gen.
 

Sanctuary

Member
either way... this is necessary for the long term plan... technology doesnt require 5 year cycles and consumers are now softened to the idea thanks to apple and samsung.

How's this even remotely the same thing? How many people buy a new phone every 2-3 years? Maybe some do just for the latest "improvement", but most don't when they primarily use their phone as a phone, not as a gaming console that usually requires very specific harware to run at all.

"Let's abandon the established 40million install base, and chase the nonexistent 4k console market."

That seems unlikely unless it's for next-gen.

Then it wouldn't be called PS4.5. Unless they are fully aware of how small of a jump it was going from the PS3 to PS4 compared to the previous generational leaps.
 

Az987

all good things
With PS VR coming this is pretty shitty IMO if true. Especially if it runs a lot better on the new system.

So basically I'd be spending $400 on the VR and possibly another $400 on the new PS4.

I might as well buy a new PC and one of the other two VR sets.
 
People are comparing the tech spec against current 28nm technology. 16/14nm manufacturing processes are finally arriving this year and the jump could be the biggest we have seen in a long time. HBM is also progressing nicely. Sony and MS could benefit greatly from cost and heat reductions in powering those mythical beasts ;)

P.S. let's hope they use mSata interfaces (or at least SATA III for the HDDs).
 
fuck it, i'm down, ill sell my ps4 2 weeks before the new one comes out on craigslist, just make sure it's a nice step like it can run most ps4 games now at 60fps, cause damn after playing the last of us 60fps is a huge difference.
 
Dunno what this is but TBH I'd probably be interested. I was planning on getting PS VR, might play out differently if this thing is released.
 
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