-Cross gen forever, no dev will make exclusive on top end hardware.
Yup
-Cross gen forever, no dev will make exclusive on top end hardware.
Totally ok with this as long as its like every 3 years.
Same for xbox and nx rite guys?
How many games truly make use of your top of the line phones hardware?
The problem with the "it's just like phones and tablets" argument is that when you buy those machines, you know going in that there's going to be something better on the market in a year. I know I wouldn't have bought my PS4 if I knew a superior one was going to be released 2-3 years later, especially considering the fact that there's been a grand total of 2 quality exclusives on the machine during that time.
It just feels like kind of a slap in the face to early adopters, to release something far better so quick after launch without any notice that it would happen. I know this is where the industry is going but it doesn't feel right to me, and it certainly doesn't make me want to invest in PSVR at launch.
There's little point to a mild, incremental upgrade at the end of a gen. PS4K would keep things fresh, avoids disenfranchising the average punter, and gives enthusiasts a chance to part with their money. Choice is a wonderful thing.If they wanted to do it at the end of the generation you'd likely see a good amount of support. But year three of a consoles life? That's an extremely bad idea.
Not sure but everything just runs better. And if "I" want to spend MY money for it to run better why should you care?
-Cross gen forever, no dev will make exclusive on top end hardware.
But that would mean you wouldn't buy anything ever, because even if you wait, the next one will come eventually.
Console should be updated annually just like mobile phones.
Your console from last year can still play games 5 years from now, just not as 'good'. You can decide to upgrade whenever you want to (or when it is old enough to not be able to run any current games). iPhone 4 from 5 years ago can still play games coming out today.
That way the transition between each upgrade will be much smoother, without abandoning all games from previous iteration of console (e.g. PS4 can't run PS3 games etc).
So you are not going to buy a platform that has possibly a multi year upgrade path and stick to the platform which you can upgrade wherever you want? Makes sense.
Or you know, it'll eventually be phased out like most older consoles....-Cross gen forever, no dev will make exclusive on top end hardware.
Given the reporting history and veracity of Patrick's work it seems like this is definitely being worked on. The question is what shape it will take for consumers.
Both Xbox and Playstation seem to be pursuing the concept of part-way cycle upgrades, I am very interested to see if they deliver it to consumers via the same approach. Although I think this is a good way to fracture multiplayer focused games by introducing inherent advantages within the same play pool there are definite advantages to build holistic platforms.
I'm all for incremental hardware revisions, tho it would add too much complexity to development if systems were updated more than every three years or so. I see PS4K as a much needed mid-generation 2.0 refresh.Console should be updated annually just like mobile phones.
There are 100gb BDs.I really think the next gen will be 4K 30fps as the GPUs wouldnt be shrunk down enough to do 60fps. it should have 16GB and more like 4 or more GPU memory!! like how PC is but who knows since is combo APU for this gen!! but if HBMs get powerful enough 4K 60fps shouldn't be that hard to do. but problem is keeping it 399.99-499.99 price point for consoles to do that and will blu-ray disc be able to handle it!
Do you want to buy a PS5 that only have PS4 games that run better?
Can someone explain why this ISN'T how it should be? I'm not sure what I'm missing because all I see is pluses:
+ No more full-stop console "generations"
+ Same but upgraded architecture so new games play best on new hardware but still OK on old hardware
+ guaranteed backwards compatibility
+ Upgrade when you want/when your wallet wants as older hardware will continue to work adequately
I already go through this with my computer/iPhone. I uprgraded from launch day 3DS to New 3DS and the performance gains gave me newfound interest in the platform.
I hadn't thought about that until now. Holy shit. I hate this idea even more, come on Sony. Resist the urge.
Did hardware revision work out for Nintendo and their new 3DS? If it works for Nintendo, I can see why Sony is trying to follow suit.Sony made too many good moves with ps4 to fuck it up now.
Whatever happens, I don't believe they're gonna make a stupid move next time. They've learned their lesson.
Different t things can happen, but I believe Sony won't do it in a stupid or destructive way.
I have faith after ps4...
Definitely, but if this becomes the norm, then there's less reason to buy consoles at launch. Launch titles usually suck, good titles take 2+ years to release, and if you just wait 3 years into the new "generation" you can buy the beefier version and get all the good titles already released for cheaper.
If this happens I'm completely out of console gaming. PC 100% then.
Or unsupported like older PC GPUs.Or you know, it'll eventually be phased out like most older consoles....
That tooOr unsupported like older PC GPUs.
Do you want to buy a PS5 that only have PS4 games that run better?
Yeah it does make sense actually. If it's basically like a pc, why would I want to buy another one? I already have one.
Exactly, sucks some people don't understand that. Not many people are going to take advantage of 4k but they will for 1080p60fps and upgraded visuals like improved aa
These "threats" make zero sense.
Was that not almost exactly what you had when you bought a PS4 for the first 2 years?
Can someone explain why this ISN'T how it should be? I'm not sure what I'm missing because all I see is pluses:
+ No more full-stop console "generations"
+ Same but upgraded architecture so new games play best on new hardware but still OK on old hardware
+ guaranteed backwards compatibility
+ Upgrade when you want/when your wallet wants as older hardware will continue to work adequately
I already go through this with my computer/iPhone. I uprgraded from launch day 3DS to New 3DS and the performance gains gave me newfound interest in the platform.
Did hardware revision work out for Nintendo and their new 3DS? If it works for Nintendo, I can see why Sony is trying to follow suit.
When I bought PS4, I got PS4 exclusive that build for PS4 from ground up.
Yes, there are cross gen games, but we are getting less and less in year 3.
If we go iOS route, cross gen games is all we got.
Means I will probably end up buying more consoles and less games.
it's a route that sony and nintendo can't really do without truly giving up the console market, and a way for microsoft to remain relevant as it would just give people options. Build your own Pc and have flexibility, or buy our console and know the game will work at X ability with ease. which would fit in line with the comment that they don't really care if people buy an xbox that slipped out a while back.
It's why this situation can't be directly compared to phones.
Not a good analogy. Phone gaming is naturally more inclusive when it comes to allowing crappy performance, but we're talking about dedicated gaming hardware here. Secondly iOS games have hardware restrictions. e.g. requires 4S or later.If we go iOS route, cross gen games is all we got.
We really don't know until someone tries. I feel like the 6 to 7 year cycle is an antiquated process. As long as Sony doesn't abandon the base ps4 I feel like this issue is a lot of noise with little substance.
But your old console will go to someone else that will buy more games...
When I bought PS4, I got PS4 exclusive that build for PS4 from ground up.
Yes, there are cross gen games, but we are getting less and less in year 3.
If we go iOS route, cross gen games is all we got.
Console should be updated annually just like mobile phones.
Your console from last year can still play games 5 years from now, just not as 'good'. You can decide to upgrade whenever you want to (or when it is old enough to not be able to run any current games). iPhone 4 from 5 years ago can still play games coming out today.
That way the transition between each upgrade will be much smoother, without abandoning all games from previous iteration of console (e.g. PS4 can't run PS3 games etc).
well, Sony sticking to 'antiquated' ideas is what has PS4 selling like ridiculousness, so... yeah. I mean some might argue Nintendo's various, minor 'upgrades' to the 3DS didn't exactly do great things. Wasn't the 3DSXL seen as a confusing mistake, somewhat?
It's called a PC...