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Kotaku: Sony is working on a PS4.5; briefing devs on plans for a more powerful PS4
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I don't understand what you're trying to say with this post
-hadouken
Member
Only for lazy idiots.
Cant say I've ever bought a phone on a contract, they are just big cons. That said a console plan like Apples iphone subs ription would be interesting. It would be tough to do...I mean even more frequent consoles would still be way slower than tne annual iphone.
Fahzgoolin
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This makes no logical sense. Iterating on the hardware will prevent technical barriers with performance and will be on the same platform so no new learning curve required.
3DS was a new generation, even with retro-compatibility. This is not what is proposed here. New 3DS is a redesigned 3DS, same gen, the power is for the menus essentially, it happened on the DS gen too with DSi etc.
Also for "disaster", you clearly and really don't know what you're talking about.
I left the "educate the masses" because I didn't know people still used that words together. So dumb, the masses.
I'm not quite in that situation but my current 2500k/7870 system would need a new cpu, gpu, motherboard, ram. Which to get to a standard able to run a vive ok is pricey.
Btw, the form factor problem can be solved with a Steam Link, I'm currently comfy couch gaming in my living room at 1080p on Ultra at 60fps with wireless controller on a completely silent tiny box.
Been temped to get one to try.
CaptainGyro
Banned
the ps4 didn't really do a good job of freeing the developers from technical barriers
Abolfazl3007
Banned
April Fools
how so?
Finaika
Member
This is Pascal's fault.
If they feel the need to release a new one so soon
It's really not that hard to run games at 4k 30 fps. I also don't understand why people all just assume this will split the user base. How is anything getting split if ps4 can continue to play the same games. If the ps4 continues to get the same games there is no legit reason to cry about any of this.
I pray they do this or just release ps5 asap because ps4 and xb1 are both horrible spec wise.
I pray they do this or just release ps5 asap because ps4 and xb1 are both horrible spec wise.
There's no way we can guarantee developers won't half-ass the PS4.0 versions of the games.
Trying to look at this from a positive angle for developers and the community at large - a PS4.5 means millions of used PS4s for sale at lower than expected prices while their owners upgrade to PS4.5. This means a lot of people who couldn't afford a PS4 now can afford a cheaper used one, and developers have a bigger overall audience (if more work optimizing for two consoles.)
Rhazer Fusion
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Didn't get to read the majority of the thread, but I think this supposed more powerful PS4 is because of the PSVR and Sony wanting it to compete more with the Oculus Rift to VR on PC gaming in general. Yeah, I know the consoles did takes some shortcuts this generation, but I do not recall too many developers complaining about lack of power within the PS4, especially to the point where Sony felt the need to introduce a new PS4 with beefier specifications just to achieve 4K. You have to have an amazing PC just to play 4K gaming at a decent framerate. Who would Sony accomplish this in a $399 console without breaking the proverbial bank?
ColdDeckEd
Member
I'm pretty sure if Sony and MS go this route, games will still be targeting the baseline ps4/xbo for a good while longer. This might even make your old PS4/xbo last longer than the traditional console cycle, since they will be the baseline systems. The newer consoles will just get more AA or run at a higher res. If enough people are willing to pay for that to make it worthwhile for the hardware manufactures then that's great the more options the better.
wapplew
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Say you release this PS4.5, only play PS4 game that run better.
How well do you think it will do? How is that effect overall PS4/PS4.5 LTD?
If PS4 predicted 100m LTD, does PS4.5 will make it sold more or less?
What happen after PS4.5? Will more gamers take wait for better version stand? How will this effect adoption rate?
How well do you think it will do? How is that effect overall PS4/PS4.5 LTD?
If PS4 predicted 100m LTD, does PS4.5 will make it sold more or less?
What happen after PS4.5? Will more gamers take wait for better version stand? How will this effect adoption rate?
gutterboy44
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There are two things that make me think that MS and Sony will find success in this new console model.
1. The smartphone and tablet industry did the heavy lifting and has made a huge percentage of the population ok or at least familiar with rapid premium tech turn over.
2. The amount of people who still play new AAA releases on previous gen systems well into the lifecylce of the next gen systems shows that a massive proportion of game buyers could give a fuck about top of the line graphics and just want to play the latest version of their favorite AAA franchise on a system they own. MS and Sony get the best of both worlds. The casual market who buy 1-3 AAA games a year will be happy with the now even cheaper hardware and the gaming enthusiast willing to shell out cash for the latest and greatest will now get an alternative to the fluid PC market.
1. The smartphone and tablet industry did the heavy lifting and has made a huge percentage of the population ok or at least familiar with rapid premium tech turn over.
2. The amount of people who still play new AAA releases on previous gen systems well into the lifecylce of the next gen systems shows that a massive proportion of game buyers could give a fuck about top of the line graphics and just want to play the latest version of their favorite AAA franchise on a system they own. MS and Sony get the best of both worlds. The casual market who buy 1-3 AAA games a year will be happy with the now even cheaper hardware and the gaming enthusiast willing to shell out cash for the latest and greatest will now get an alternative to the fluid PC market.
I think there'll be less total consoles sold due to people playing the waiting game.
Funny since your post made me realize another good thing. Last gen, you saw many complain about the gen being too long, while many others felt that it lasted the perfect amount of time.
A move like this with compatibility between the two consoles (PS4 and PS4.5) will make both groups happy. PS4 owners won't need to upgrade since they will still continue on getting new game support for years. PS4.5 owners will be happy since they will also get new games but they will look and run better.
Ivan
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That race doesn't exist in reality. Only on Internet .
Mushroom021
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Not being able to focus on one platform as the lead platform overall will hurt the performance of the game.
sono
Member
This makes no actual sense. New GPU different code and code that has to work on two consoles.
Im out.
Are you saying the Internet isn't real?
If only the GPU is getting stronger and is similar enough to the old one, I think it will be very easy for devs to release 2 versions of the same game. It's like 2 different settings presets. Even old games might get an upgraded preset for the new PS4.5. For example, a game that was previously 30 FPS might get an 60 FPS preset.
Malcolm9
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Upping the graphics will never change the gameplay though, so if you are bored already I'm not sure what will satisfy you.
eh since the overall architecture is the same you would presume that any GPU code is abstracted behind low-level API's so the developers don't even really have to pay attention to what GPU they're coding against
in a perfect world they would just get performance improvements for free, but there are always optimizations to be made
Yea now they are pissed, but it's a leak from something that will probably happen in 2 years at least, untill than people would be ready for such upgrade, or Just like how the other poster in this thread said
fans be like
AcademicSaucer
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So we could have Playstation 4.5 , Xbox One.5 , Vive , Occulus, PSVR, NX console, NX handheld and the Iphone 7 all launching this year?
thats kind of insane.
amstradcpc
Member
This.
Well, now VGLEAKS has work to do.
Honestly my biggest concern is this causing more problems with development. As it currently is, developers can't even always get just the three platforms (PC, PS4, X1) right. Throwing in another couple of "upgraded" consoles into the mix is just going to cause more headaches. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the PS4 gets the shaft down the road because more people have "PS4.x" and the developers half ass the version with less players.
Camp Freddie
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Graphics card and CPU power hasn't changed much in the last 3 years. HBM does nothing useful yet and skylake is barely better than the ancient sandy bridge.
How will you play at 4k on a $400 console? They aren't putting a 980ti in it.
Console games already have performance issues so making devs design for two specifications is going to cause all sorts of unoptimised bullshit.
Also, what do Sony gain? They don't make money on console sales.
How will you play at 4k on a $400 console? They aren't putting a 980ti in it.
Console games already have performance issues so making devs design for two specifications is going to cause all sorts of unoptimised bullshit.
Also, what do Sony gain? They don't make money on console sales.
MrCunningham
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"First we'll compare the vanilla consoles with the current generation i3's then we'll do a comparison of the .5 systems with the latest i5's and see how they stack up."
amstradcpc
Member
You dont need a 980ti,thats 28nm obsolete tech. A polaris 10 + 4 zen cores is enough.I would bet this time they wont go the APU route.
"AF is present on the PS4, but AF is missing on the PS4.5"
The question is how low level the API is. You can't have to the metal and a high level abstraction at the same time.
my guess is, majority of optimization will be focused on the PS4, and they'll just rely on the performance improvements they get for free on the PS4.5, i doubt there will be any major optimizations for the PS4.5 outside of game breaking bugs
Thicc Enigma
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I'd certainly get the Xboner over the Xbone.
This is interesting nonetheless. Looking forward to potential announcements at E3.
I really can't see regular Joe, who paid 350$ last Christmas for a PS4, be ready to buy a "slightly better box" for another 350$, even a year from now.
As an expandable port of sort, maybe they could sell it to the more hardcore crowd, but that's technically not feasible (you can't just switch the PS4's GPU, not easily anyway).
As an expandable port of sort, maybe they could sell it to the more hardcore crowd, but that's technically not feasible (you can't just switch the PS4's GPU, not easily anyway).
Ninja Sharingan
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To be honest, that is my only issue with this. I played infamous...a bit of knack with the boy..and bloodborne. I was soooo hyped for ps4, i bought the mega gamers bundle on launch day. I was looking to get PS vr and uncharted 4 hoping that would breath life into the box but I think i might just wait and think about getting a ps4k if the software is there. I play third partry on pc. I really don't think Sony has hit it this gen with content, that's my personal opinion of course
these consolesa re just PC's now. I t would make upgrades a lot easier