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Batman [Mafia] |OT| The mafia game Gafia deserves , but not the one it needs

Sorian

Banned
I'm saying the breadcrumb was obviously Gordon.
Since March 25 I for one did afford him
The benefit of
The doubt. But for love
Of the town I kept quiet. TL needed more done

To save him from discovery by a
Really clever scum team player. Why a
Failure to get
The hint? You bet
I expected you to reach it, my my. A.

Oh right, this:

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It begins!

No complicated pre-made post here, let's just dive right in.

Oh...

I'll go ahead and start sifting through the paperwork... Again...

I guess so. I know I pestered him on it too but I read it as a police grunt doing paperwork, ie, a breadcrumb for vanilla town. I didn't assume Gordon like you seem to have?
 
Oh right, this:



I guess so. I know I pestered him on it too but I read it as a police grunt doing paperwork, ie, a breadcrumb for vanilla town. I didn't assume Gordon like you seem to have?

Mister Talky-Talk. What 4-1 did to my notes thread
Was seriously messing with my head.
But if I was scum
It would be dumb
To not kill him in case he was good dead.
 

Camjo-Z

Member
Nope, no more questions. Scum, Sorian. That way -->

You want to know the particulars? Lynch me already. I'm done with this game.

Well, I see no reason not to oblige him. This whole game he's been chasing bad leads and wasting the day on garbage. Kark asking Ty4on to join him on my vote rather than replace him makes total sense if he suspected a trap and wanted to muddle any investigative results/increase the townie body count if Launch was a killing role.

Some truth at least, though a scum roleblocker wouldn't surprise me in the least. I will confirm that I was told my action failed at the beginning of day 2 and the only way it could have failed is by a direct roleblock, nothing else would have stopped it and because of its nature, Roy had to let me know that it didn't work. It's a shame if you are town because this is the same trap roleblockers always fall into, they think they got lucky and targeted scum night 1 when any number of things could have led actions failing early on.

So what's your role then?
 

Sorian

Banned
Mister Talky-Talk. What 4-1 did to my notes thread
Was seriously messing with my head.
But if I was scum
It would be dumb
To not kill him in case he was good dead.

At the end of the day, you're right, there was cause for scum to lynch him without blind luck or an investigative role. Some people apparently took the breadcrumb to mean PR so it's something else to weigh when trying to figure out the scum team.

So what's your role then?

Michael Lane, aka Azrael

I have no reason to claim the power at this time.

And no, I didn't breadcrumb my role because I find breadcrumbing dumb but I can at least prove that I am a PR and not vanilla. Flux called me out on something at the beginning of day 2:

Also:

What? Explain your conviction. A bit too trusting in something that had "desperation role claim" written all over it.

He was speaking of this post of mine in the confusion of day 1 end:

Topo is a PR or was provided a fake role, switch.

I had to make up an excuse of why I said that because I had slipped and accidently outed myself as a PR though it seems to have gone unnoticed for the most part aside from Flux's questioning.

Topo claimed like this:

I am Barbara Gordon, AKA Oracle.

The particular way he wrote out his name wouldn't be lost on PRs and the rest of the game wouldn't know about how PRs were written until the next day with the Sky flip. Well, most PRs, I guess only the costumed among us would have the "aka" portion judging from the fact that James Gordon was among us and Launch is claiming Bullock.
 

Fireblend

Banned
Yo guys, I apologize for my absence since yesterday. I will begin catching up now but I probably will be unable to post until later today as I'm busy with job stuff.
 
And no, I didn't breadcrumb my role because I find breadcrumbing dumb but I can at least prove that I am a PR and not vanilla. Flux called me out on something at the beginning of day 2:

How would you even? You'd have to be deep into the Morrison established stuff for that.

Woaaah, you know what'd be crazy? If Roy were a DickBats fan and Bruce Wayne weren't actually in this game.
crazy speculation, don't mind me
 
I'm saving up gifs to express my feeling
Regarding this role and its unappealing-
Ness. They are all
Robin Hood y'all.
If I ghost I'll be trolling, the thread will be reeling.

What the heck does this mean?

Is there a time restriction attached to your role? Like you have to post a certain number of times? Robin Hood? I feel like you're trying to hint at something. Am I reading too much into this? :|
 

Sorian

Banned
Anyone out there? I was going to dig up conversation pieces so we could talk about more things but I didn't see much. I was going to poke inactives first but everyone has checked in from what I'm seeing except for Fire and Trigger who both say they will be back with us later.

I tried looking to see if anyone acted drastically different from day 1 to day 2 on the basis that they didn't have support from a team but I didn't really see anything that jumped out at me.

Pop sticks out a bit (read as a lot) looking at today's proceedings so far. First, I'm bothered by his vote on Topo. As was the case yesterday, I'm skeptical of someone trying to throw shade in a direction that is fairly likely to be town. Most evidence points at TL21 investigating Topo N1 and yet Pop drops his flimsy vote on me to an even flimsier vote on Topo. Past that, he seemed to be to pre-empting that roleblocking situation with Kark:

I think vote-thievery would be weak enough to warrant multiple shots, though IDK if it would be flat-out unlimited. I guess if a roleblocker would like to come forward and say he blocked someone, then that might help us, but it's probably best if they stay quiet unless they actually block a kill.

This could just be an honest question and maybe Kark was a little too forward with his hinting of where he was going with the day, (he was very obvious to me but I knew that I was roleblocked so it was easier for me to notice, I don't know what it looked like to someone who wasn't sure) but this post could also be read as someone accidently letting on that they know or were expecting something that they shouldn't have.

AB. QB is a dude who gives Imperials shields instead of Rebels. (<3)


This question is more for non-Launch players, since I'm still a bit of an outsider in this game. It's really two questions that sort of tie in together: how strongly do we feel that Launch is town, and how many of this list are we willing to lynch before we get uncomfortable doing so?

IF Launch is scum, it's possible he fed us a list of town. We spend the next 4 days lynching targets trying to find the scum. Meantime, scum is picking us off at night and by the time we don't trust Launch, we are down too many players and it's GG scum.

I know I'm not scum. Which would leave 3 names from my perspective. I'll give Kark, Coppa and Ty4on a re-read, see if anything scummy jumps out. I just don't want people getting too sucked in by the names if we don't trust Launch.

If Launch has been confirmed 100% town, feel free to ignore this entire post. (Well, except the QB vs AB thing)

I'm also back at looking at Absolut again (again because I have to accept him as the sequel to Flux). This is his only real post from the day so far. He's in the shuffle with Launch's "ability" so he is obviously a person of interest from that perspective but this post rubs me the wrong way. It presents scenarios but is careful not to choose a side, it even probes a bit to see what the climate looks like on Launch. Obviously, if he were scum, he could just ask him teammates what the climate is like but like it or not, subbing into a game gives a little bit of a cushion. Play it up a bit in that you are caught up but might have missed some nuances and people might sympathize with you. It certainly wouldn't be the first time. He could also just be the neutral which would explain away the "why ask us when you could ask your team" question. The post just reads to me like trying to push that Launch might be suspicious or that the list might hurt more than help because it is a rabbithole to take Launch at face value and just lynch from his list until we find something. It throws more suspicion on the whole exercise which would be in his best interest if he is non-town.
 

Sorian

Banned
Of course people start posting after I start writing something.

Didn't someone have the limerick thing yesterday? I vaguely recall someone rhyming. Seems strange this ability would crop up just now.

I don't think so? If they did they did a great job of not being noticed because I didn't see it.

What the heck does this mean?

Is there a time restriction attached to your role? Like you have to post a certain number of times? Robin Hood? I feel like you're trying to hint at something. Am I reading too much into this? :|

I think it's a joke about the archer game. Topo was the SK (Robin Hood) and killed Roy which is what spurred Roy's deep seated love for Topo.
 
Oh yeah
I forgot
I have to talk about my theory
Darn
Effort is hard
---
ALRIGHT SO GUYS WELCOME TO THE THUNDERDOME (Your Daily Fake Blarg Helping)
Ok so
We already know there is a role that happens every other night in the form of Catwoman.
Who is there to say there aren't roles that only happen every other night?
Maybe scum can use their non-killing power and kill in the same night, but are balanced by having their power on cooldown?
 
I did, yes, the punishment for ignoring it was being roleblocked, meh.

weemad, were you told what would happen if you ignored this limerick thing?

The foot with its syllabic count is not
Too harshly criticized, but if I'm caught
Denying the rhyme
I won't have much time
Before I am murdered by modbot

What the heck does this mean?

Is there a time restriction attached to your role? Like you have to post a certain number of times? Robin Hood? I feel like you're trying to hint at something. Am I reading too much into this? :|

This reaches to metagame territory.
It starts in Archer. Where roy played. The story
Is Robin Hood
Killed him good
And he's traumatized. It was real gory.

Also given that wee posted a list, which is clearly not a rhyme, I'm not sure how I feel about it.

A failed quote tag may violate my restriction.
I'll pay more attention to my diction.
If it is my fate
To die on this date,
It's my own fault. But it's not fiction.
 

Sorian

Banned
I wasn't a serial killer in Archer.

Am I misremembering? Weren't you a neutral with the goal of killing a set number of targets and if you failed that then you just had to survive until the end? Yeah, that is serial killer-lite.

Oh yeah
I forgot
I have to talk about my theory
Darn
Effort is hard
---
ALRIGHT SO GUYS WELCOME TO THE THUNDERDOME (Your Daily Fake Blarg Helping)
Ok so
We already know there is a role that happens every other night in the form of Catwoman.
Who is there to say there aren't roles that only happen every other night?
Maybe scum can use their non-killing power and kill in the same night, but are balanced by having their power on cooldown?

Sure, it's possible that abilities can have cooldowns or wind-ups to them but that's usually reserved for strong roles. A commuter is a pretty tough thing which is why every single commuter we've ever had in gafia has been odd-night/even-night or had some other restriction to prevent the person from being unkillable for multiple nights at a time. I don't really think erasing a vote is strong enough to give it the same type of status.

----

And weemad claims that she gets modkilled if she dies. Makes sense, that was the big takeaway for what Retro was going to tell mods going forward after I ignored my post restriction in NV >_>
 

Ty4on

Member
There are likely some loopholes
Man, I think Sorian up and just said fuck you to the Haiku rule in NV

I nagged Retro a lot when I was targeted in NV and was allowed to:
-Trim and highlight parts of quotes and even edit typos in them (this is really helpful and can shape the interpretation of an otherwise vague haiku)
-Post as many haikus as I wanted in a post
-Use an emoji if I already had a haiku
-No pictures except one "I hate Retro for what he has done to me" :p
-He'd allow a slip up (unless it was on purpose ofc)
-I could write in any language
-etc

I doubt the list caused a lot of trouble for Wee because it's basically a quote without tags and if it's a slip up it's quite minor because it's not his own words.
 
Eh, I don't know. I mean, wee has led town against two town players, it could very well be a ploy to seem like town.

I acknowledge the error that Mazre is town.
But you are not verified yet, green haired clown.
You don't need to worry.
I'm not in a hurry.
I'll grant TL read you. So calm down.
 

Fireblend

Banned
An update: I'm now all caught up with the thread. Not much to say other than the fact that it's disappointing to see a third player claim that they have "given up" on the game for a third day straight. I'm skeptical Kark is just going to stop putting in the effort, but I dislike the general lack of "sportsmanship" between him and Sorian. Kark did seem a bit too hostile from his posts though.

About the rest... ugh. I don't know how I feel about all claims so far and it's gonna need some more thinking. I agree it's likely TL checked on El Topo, but other than that I feel like asking ourselves whether we find it likely that all of the claimed roles are true or not is a sort of trap - we have to analyze them in a one-by-one basis. As I said I'm super busy today so I'm unable to truly get into this until 5 hours from now or something.

Great job with the limericks Wee. I'm impressed.
 
We already know there is a role that happens every other night in the form of Catwoman.
Who is there to say there aren't roles that only happen every other night?
Maybe scum can use their non-killing power and kill in the same night, but are balanced by having their power on cooldown?

It's possible that you are right, xam.
There's also an alternate take, fam.
They could have a list
Like the cops. Exist
Maybe multiple choice in the night, lamb.

No, no, what does your PR do. I don't want to have to activate Detective Vision to find it out.

Dear TL was our name cop, now absent.
We have Launchpad claiming alignment
Read in a group way.
Why would Fluxwave
Now AB, have power of this bent?
 

Sorian

Banned
I'm confused on this. You think TL read him but don't believe that verifies him? Why?

Well we know what TL21 was and if we take Launch at face value then that means town has two different investigative roles. I'd imagine scum has to have a way to mitigate that. I'm not really prepared to chase potential godfathers right now though, I'd like to actually find a scum member first.

Dear TL was our name cop, now absent.
We have Launchpad claiming alignment
Read in a group way.
Why would Fluxwave
Now AB, have power of this bent?

I read it at the time as a joke but I guess we should take everything to the extreme. It sounds like a soft claim to me if you really want assume there is something to it. The soft claim should be obvious but I'll choose to be vague.
 

Ty4on

Member
I really think Wee is telling the truth and was targeted. They've generally been labeled town and active in reads so it makes sense to target them.

I'm not sure if I want to pull it out of him, but it is worrying that Sorian isn't claiming his role. That really makes it sound like he caused Wee's insanity or possibly his own vote steal.

Kark, what was your thought process when I asked to replace your vote? I don't care how silly or vague it is. You've role claimed so I'm guessing you don't have much to hide.
Also, what do you think of Sorian "confirming" you with his claim?
 

Sorian

Banned
I'm not sure if I want to pull it out of him, but it is worrying that Sorian isn't claiming his role. That really makes it sound like he caused Wee's insanity or possibly his own vote steal.

I'd much rather keep my claim hidden for now so that no one attempts to color the choice that I have to make tonight but no, I did nothing to my own vote nor did I cause this insanity with weemad. It's not the end of the world if I have to claim so I will if I have to but there is nothing that can stop me from taking action tonight aside from being voted out, of course. Even if Kark attempted to roleblock me, it would just fail since the block able action was done last night. Kark stopped the wind-up the first time but it succeeded yesterday and I can finally take my action tonight.
 

Ty4on

Member
A verification of utmost truth
Is hard to come by for the greatest sleuth.
Until they are dead
And we read what's said
In the role card, you're being uncouth.
The absolute truth is kinda overrated. I was myself part of the group that made wasted a bunch of energy by bringing up a potential godfather in DR. We need less lynch targets to maximize our changes of hitting scum, not more. Time is a limited resource and we can't prod or make perfect reads of everyone.

From the back of my head Topo has been kind of obtuse and stood out of the crowd. Not unlike Mazre. That is in my eyes much more typical of town than scum. His reasonings also feel like they come from his gut instead of his internal or scum's council of townie looking replies. Genuine essentially.
I've never made a real read of him though. This is just what I remember from following the thread.
 

Ty4on

Member
I'd much rather keep my claim hidden for now so that no one attempts to color the choice that I have to make tonight but no, I did nothing to my own vote nor did I cause this insanity with weemad. It's not the end of the world if I have to claim so I will if I have to but there is nothing that can stop me from taking action tonight aside from being voted out, of course. Even if Kark attempted to roleblock me, it would just fail since the block able action was done last night. Kark stopped the wind-up the first time but it succeeded yesterday and I can finally take my action tonight.
You're revealing an awful lot about it :p

A wind up action does sound very anti town though *cough* disguise *cough* arsonist *cough* dolls, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now.
 

Sorian

Banned
You're revealing an awful lot about it :p

A wind up action does sound very anti town though *cough* disguise *cough* arsonist *cough* dolls, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now.

The fact that you had to jokingly cough while giving two off the wall examples shows that I'm not revealing enough for good guesses to be thrown out :p

But no, it is a wind-up in the purest sense of the word. I don't know if that helps massage your worries but I haven't actually taken any type of action (like copying someone, throwing gas on someone, or delivering a doll). I've been effectively a vanilla townie for N1 and N2 in terms of sitting at home and picking my nose for the whole night phase.
 
That is in my eyes much more typical of town than scum. His reasonings also feel like they come from his gut instead of his internal or scum's council of townie looking replies. Genuine essentially.
I've never made a real read of him though. This is just what I remember from following the thread.

Once I realized my beef with el topo
Was semantic in nature, i let go
Of my attitude.
Extra latitude
Is provided by Barbara's name. You know?
 

Sorian

Banned
The fact that you had to jokingly cough while giving two off the wall examples shows that I'm not revealing enough for good guesses to be thrown out :p

But no, it is a wind-up in the purest sense of the word. I don't know if that helps massage your worries but I haven't actually taken any type of action (like copying someone, throwing gas on someone, or delivering a doll). I've been effectively a vanilla townie for N1 and N2 in terms of sitting at home and picking my nose for the whole night phase.

I should re-phrase (dancing around topics is annoying), I've taken action obviously, but I haven't targeted/visited anyone.
 

Sorian

Banned
Fake Edit: I just refreshed and saw Roy's post, I'm still posting this because I just wrote it all out but that is obnoxious.

About the rest... ugh. I don't know how I feel about all claims so far and it's gonna need some more thinking. I agree it's likely TL checked on El Topo, but other than that I feel like asking ourselves whether we find it likely that all of the claimed roles are true or not is a sort of trap - we have to analyze them in a one-by-one basis. As I said I'm super busy today so I'm unable to truly get into this until 5 hours from now or something.

Reading this part of Fire's post has me thinking more (still trying to tease discussion out of this thread when I can but it's hard to get much)

Out of the claims we have right now, Topo as chat bomb, Launch as group investigator, Xam as doctor, and Kark as roleblocker (you can add me in as well to your own personal lists), what claims do you believe, what claims do you think are false?

I believe Topo 100%, if he somehow faked his investigation then that may lead to some fuckery later but right now, we need to take what we can get until we actually hit a scum and can start piecing together the puzzle.

I am also believing Xam's claim wholesale. A doctor claim is ballsy to make, especially on day 2. If he were lying, he'd have to luck out that there isn't actually a doctor in the game because a counter claim or flipped doctor would sink Xam right away.

Kark is telling the truth, a partial one at least, I was definitely roleblocked N1 and he knew it. That means he is either the roleblocker or he is in communication with the roleblocker. So to me, this claim is 100% truth, even more so than the Topo investigation. My obvious issue is that a roleblocker is just as much a scum role as it is a town role.

Launch is the messier one and the one that I'm not sure I can swallow. I want to and I kind of have been because I've been looking at his list a lot in trying to figure out who might be the scum/neutral but there is just no way to know now. The same thing I said yesterday with Topo but I was secretly hoping an investigation would come through (which it did) but I don't think I can expect that anymore with Launch and to take his claim wholesale would lead down the dangerous path of setting up chain lynches until we find what we are looking for. I'm not on board with that at all.

Which brings me to the second part of this, let's play top town and top scum again.

Sadly, TL21xx's flip didn't do much for me (nor did Mazre's) because I already wasn't scum reading Topo and nothing I was looking at really hinged on Mazre.

So there is a lot of the same, I'm still town reading Fire and weemad and I'm still scum reading Karu and Coppa. Oddly, if Launch is telling the truth that bumps Coppa a bit towards town for me which I detailed earlier in this day phase. Kark is taking the express lane on that list now. He was pardoned from full scum status for me yesterday because he was playing coy with a possible big PR claim but now that he has showed his hand, there are too many inconsistencies in his play from the very beginning that I don't want to ignore anymore. I'm also adding Absolut back to my list. I rumbled a bit about him again but I don't like this chain of posts from Kark:

Sorian, you seemed pretty intent on FluxWave (now going by the name AbsolutBro) - to the point of leaving your relatively early vote on him D1, despite the large upheaval at the end. Why isn't that player your primary focus now?

The facts are this: the vote count says you were the second to vote on Flux. The upheaval was people switching votes around between the two. You stayed put. If that wasn't you being careful not to do something foolish (and let me remind you that Town is blissfully foolish in these games), then it seems like you were convinced Flux WAS bad. What happened to that conviction? Especially with a relatively inactive Flux on D2. What changed?

There are two way to take these posts but they both are meant to incite the same reaction from me. "Look at Flux/Absolut instead of what you are doing now" If Kark is scum, it seems like an effort to start swinging momentum towards a scapegoat, probably town, and if Kark is town, then it's an honest attempt at getting me to look at the case I was interested in during day 1 and part of day 2 (also, probably an attempt to read me before his big claim).

So in no particular order: Town: Fireblend, weemad
Scum: Karu, Coppa, (Kark OR Absolut)
 

Trigger

Member
I'm caught up now! I'm not sure what to make of Sorian's claim. I kinda assumed that Launch was setting up some kind of group alignment read.
 

Sorian

Banned
I meant to read it when you used your code.
But I haven't finished. Why does it bode
Poorly for town?
Are we too down
On numbers to win it? That'd be a load.

Scum won because town got demoralized near the end. A townie dropped out near the end when they were next up on the lynching block. I don't know if that is happening here though. Scum gets demoralized all the same as town does and now we have to deal with the hard choice of what do we do with this role. We are 4 deaths in on an 18 person game and no scum or even neutral to show for it. I backed off of Flux for the same yesterday but that was only 2 town deaths, today the situation is much more delicate and we can decline pretty fast from here if we don't hit scum.
 
The fact that you had to jokingly cough while giving two off the wall examples shows that I'm not revealing enough for good guesses to be thrown out :p

But no, it is a wind-up in the purest sense of the word. I don't know if that helps massage your worries but I haven't actually taken any type of action (like copying someone, throwing gas on someone, or delivering a doll). I've been effectively a vanilla townie for N1 and N2 in terms of sitting at home and picking my nose for the whole night phase.

Are you Toymaster?
 
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