wait... didn't GoW4 was also leak with the ps4k rumor info like a week ago?
The only way is to no longer be a simplistic hack'n slash game but like a more developed RPG. That is the only way they can revamp the series.
It's supposed to be a commentary on gamers and how they love extreme violence but won't embrace that side of themselves.Nah. It's possible write a violent character who isn't a complete dick. Santa Monica just need to write better. Maybe Google 'anti-hero archetypes' or look up Carl Jung or something. Because Kratos's 1 dimensional, rage fueled, gamer gater on steroids persona wasn't really something I could get behind.
Kratos became a much deeper character as demonstrated in the last two games. There has always been motivation. SM simply attempted to build better lineage around his unceasing torment.So motivation isn't a thing anymore? You can have vengeful characters and give them meaningful motivation to be that way. Not the crappy one Kratos brought on to himself.
Are people actually not happy? Do people not remember how good gow3 was!?
I personally can't wait
Nah. It's possible write a violent character who isn't a complete dick. Santa Monica just need to write better. Maybe Google 'anti-hero archetypes' or look up Carl Jung or something. Because Kratos's 1 dimensional, rage fueled, gamer gater on steroids persona wasn't really something I could get behind.
Kratos's 1 dimensional, rage fueld, gamer gate on steroids persona is extremely fresh in the landscape of "Grey" characters. He stands out from the bunch because of his unique personality.
The protoganist in this series does not need to be complicated and have various shades of grey. 1 Dimensional is fine. Not everything has to be grey -.-
DerZuhälter;200191042 said:Are people shitting up Zelda threads too on a constant basis asking for a Link replacement?
The protagonist of the series is unchangable. Even if they do a reboot it still has to be Kratos. Same goes for a mythology / setting change and a continuation of Kratos story. Maybe he'll just be an incarnation of Kratos never resting soul instilled into a new host or some shit. Point is. It doesn't matter how Kratos is involved as long as he is in it. If you attach God of War to the title you automatically attach Kratos to it or you might as well start a new IP. People need to fucking accept this, or start looking for a new franchise. Here try this instead:
I think it's cuz in a sense gamers try to project themselves on characters whereas with a character like Kratos it's hard for a lot of people to do so because you question his motivation. Me personally I never really gave what he was doing any real thought. Just played through honestly.OléGunner;200191224 said:I agree. We have a metric crap ton of these morally grey characters now across indie and AAA games. It's the new norm.
A character like Kratos is now unique and fresh in this landscape imo.
Now I'm I asking for a dude like in that Hatred game? Hell no, but I'm all good with a Kratos that is not morally ambiguous and just ready to kick ass.
New lead character please.
You can still call it God of War.
DerZuhälter;200191042 said:Are people shitting up Zelda threads too on a constant basis asking for a Link replacement?
The protagonist of the series is unchangable. Even if they do a reboot it still has to be Kratos. Same goes for a mythology / setting change and a continuation of Kratos story. Maybe he'll just be an incarnation of Kratos never resting soul instilled into a new host or some shit. Point is. It doesn't matter how Kratos is involved as long as he is in it. If you attach God of War to the title you automatically attach Kratos to it or you might as well start a new IP. People need to fucking accept this, or start looking for a new franchise. Here try this instead:
I think it's cuz in a sense gamers try to project themselves on characters whereas with a character like Kratos it's hard for a lot of people to do so because you question his motivation. Me personally I never really gave what he was doing any real thought. Just played through honestly.
A pleasant surprise I get the concept but I'm sure the actual game will be way more graphically impressive
Wait, is this actually supposed to be Kratos?
If so, I'm not sure how I feel about it. I'm perfectly fine with the idea of SSM taking on Norse mythology, but I don't really approve of mixing mythologies. There are very few instances in film/T.V./video games where such a thing was competently done.
New setting = very good.
Old Kratos = Boring. Should have been a new protag.
Wow I'm
Surprised I've reached a state where concept art seems like lesser than what the actual game will be . the industry has moved so far forward.
A pleasant surprise I get the concept but I'm sure the actual game will be way more graphically impressive
Lol that site didn't disappear that guy was trolling the audience for the whole time. With lots of fake info after.
I kinda expect the game itself to go in the direction that Jaffe said he'd take it into. Which is one that's more like Zelda than a traditional linear GoW. I think that direction makes a lot of sense for the franchise. It would allow them to keep all the things that people love about the games. The big boss battles and setpiece moments, while making the adventure aspect a lot meatier than before. It'd be a great way to refresh the brand in the same way that Uncharted 4 is refreshing it by opening up the maps a lot more instead of there just being a single path to take everywhere.
It's not about being 'morally grey', it's about decent characterisation. Of which, Kratos has zero.OléGunner;200191224 said:I agree. We have a metric crap ton of these morally grey characters now across indie and AAA games. It's the new norm.
A character like Kratos is now unique and fresh in this landscape imo.
Now I'm I asking for a dude like in that Hatred game? Hell no, but I'm all good with a Kratos that is not morally ambiguous and just ready to kick ass.
I'll buy it if there's a new main character and you get to kill Kratos. The worst game protag in the last 20 years.
It's not about being 'morally grey', it's about decent characterisation. Of which, Kratos has zero.
Also, is there anything the protagonist from that 'Hatred' game does which happens to be particularly more repellent than Kratos's love of torturing and brutally slaughtering innocent bystanders? I saw nothing in the trailer for Hatred which indicated that was the case.
he is so one dimensional and I find little to like about him. Far from a hero archetype, the writers/designers have lost that aspect so you never root for him in the storyline. He just kills everything. Really stupid. Good protag's have a little humanity in them at least, Kratos has zero.
It's not about being 'morally grey', it's about decent characterisation. Of which, Kratos has zero.
Also, is there anything the protagonist from that 'Hatred' game does which happens to be particularly more repellent than Kratos's love of torturing and brutally slaughtering innocent bystanders? I saw nothing in the trailer for Hatred which indicated that was the case.
It's not about being 'morally grey', it's about decent characterisation. Of which, Kratos has zero.
Also, is there anything the protagonist from that 'Hatred' game does which happens to be particularly more repellent than Kratos's love of torturing and brutally slaughtering innocent bystanders? I saw nothing in the trailer for Hatred which indicated that was the case.
I think it's cuz in a sense gamers try to project themselves on characters whereas with a character like Kratos it's hard for a lot of people to do so because you question his motivation. Me personally I never really gave what he was doing any real thought. Just played through honestly.
The only way is to no longer be a simplistic hack'n slash game but like a more developed RPG. That is the only way they can revamp the series.
Is this the same Kratos from the previous games, or is it a reincarnation of him?
GoW 1 had a genuinely solid story and Kratos as a character was genuinely interesting in that simple but effective story.This makes a lot of sense and probably explains why people hate Kratos and would rather have a "argh!!! I cannot keep on killing these people but I must for the sake of the world!" type of character. I don't think people enjoyed God of War for its commentary on societal issues and the struggle of Man vs Beast.
Kratos's 'motivation' for chaining a young, naked girl to a cog and having her slowly ripped in half was to open a fucking door. That is certainly something, I guess.OléGunner;200192428 said:Give SSM the chance to add more depth with this game. We haven't seen anything in motion yet.
They can satisfy both sides of the fence, keep Kratos in but with more characterisation.
Tbf, I totally get where you coming from, Kratos can be a quite one note so I hope we get deeper and more interesting/complex with the character in tandem with the new mythologybut angry Kratos still rears his head
As for the Hatred guy, he killed innocent civilians for no reason whereas at least Kratos had the motivation of being fucked over by the Gods for the first couple games.
Not perfect motivation for 3 games but at least its something in comparison to Hatred imo.
I think it's cuz in a sense gamers try to project themselves on characters whereas with a character like Kratos it's hard for a lot of people to do so because you question his motivation. Me personally I never really gave what he was doing any real thought. Just played through honestly.
GoW 1 had a genuinely solid story and Kratos as a character was genuinely interesting in that simple but effective story.
It's just they sort of took the character and hamfisted him into a bunch more games without really doing much with him. So he just sort of became angry guy killing gods because he is angry.
Is this the same Kratos from the previous games, or is it a reincarnation of him?
to be fair god of war 3 is essentially god of war 2 part 2. You cant expect to have any character growth when 3 literally takes place where 2 left us, and the game pretty much takes place in a day or two.OléGunner;200192428 said:Give SSM the chance to add more depth with this game. We haven't seen anything in motion yet.
They can satisfy both sides of the fence, keep Kratos in but with more characterisation.
Tbf, I totally get where you coming from, Kratos can be a quite one note so I hope we get deeper and more interesting/complex with the character in tandem with the new mythologybut angry Kratos still rears his head
As for the Hatred guy, he killed innocent civilians for no reason whereas at least Kratos had the motivation of being fucked over by the Gods for the first couple games.
Not perfect motivation for 3 games but at least its something in comparison to Hatred imo.