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[Gorlak]

And at any rate, OceanicAir re-confirmed that the lightning rod is real, so there's no doubt now.

Also my short term memory is damaged, please point me to this post.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

It wasn't clear how his power worked (at least to me). And I'm still unsure if we could've verified him today or tomorrow. And all of this doesn't mean shit because Darryl is gone. That's why it's a distraction.

So we shouldn't discuss anything to do with any of the players that have died? That doesn't make any sense.

Also targets could be as simple as seeing who targets who at night couldnt it?

Makes more sense than it being a switcher role.

 

[Sophia]

Don't try to weasel yourself out of this one.

You also missed to explain "targets" which definitely involves two parties just from the way it's spelled.

... interesting, it WAS targets?

You actually have a point.

Zipped, can you confirm that it is indeed "targets", plural? That changes my reads significantly if true.

 

[Sophia]

Also my short term memory is damaged, please point me to this post.

No private chat, only a dream.

He got no private chat, only a dream. According to Darryl's flip, he should have gotten a private chat with Swamped tonight, but Darryl's flip also says that it would fail if only one player is chosen (or if the same player was picked twice)

 

[*Splinter]

Swamped change https to http, should fix your problem.

Also I was exaggerating when I said I had a theory. I thought Darryl was scum so I wanted to offer LP up as an alternative to see if I could coax scum to vote for him. Since both Darryl and FEP were town, it obviously failed. HOWEVER the difficulty I had in bringing LP into the conversation (compared to Gorlak or FEP) makes me pretty sure he is scum.

There were a couple of reasons I didn't mind the "risk" of scum Darryl surviving:
-Gorlak was staunchly anti-Darryl. I assumed he would use his claimed vig shot if we didn't lynch him.
-Sometimes I'd rather lynch town in a close vote than scum in an uncontested vote. This almost led to my own lynching in Love Boat - a play I have no regrets over.

Also if I failed (as I did) then it would at least be a chance to read LP. Without that he would still be a null for me (and, I suspect, for a lot of people)

 

[Gorlak]

Thank you Sophia for pointing me at the post.
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Ezekel how will discussing if Darryl understood his command help us find scum NOW? wtf.

The other commands in the game describe the action the role exerts, so a tracker would likely have a "follow" command.
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Soo we have Lone_Prodigy, Sophia and EzekelRAGE as scum. Intersting. One more scum and pepsi need to be figured out.

In any case Ezekel and Sophia do you mind to describe how you feel about lp right now?

 

[*Splinter]

This is a purely meta post where I explain my Love Boat example above. Ignore it if you already know or don't care.

-Sometimes I'd rather lynch town in a close vote than scum in an uncontested vote. This almost led to my own lynching in Love Boat - a play I have no regrets over.

Day 2 of Love Boat, town is heading for a unanimous vote on scum Blawl.I have the opportunity (and encouragement) to hammer, but instead refuse. Angry townies then swing swing the vote my way, and at one point it looks like I might actually be lynched instead. This prompts scum Floppa to move their vote onto me, leaving them exposed and easily lynched once we have the flips of myself and Blawl. (Inn this example it was Blawl that was lynched in the end, but even if it had ended on me: Blawl would have gone the next day and the vote info would have made it worthwhile, essentially trading myself for scum Floppa 1-1

 

[Kyanrute]

hydro canon best canon #shitposting

 

[*Splinter]

Gorlak was an easy redirect target. Scum must've figured you would roleblock or shoot Crimson.

What?

If Sophia was actually gold cursed and all night actions were redirected to her due to the moving LR, then wouldn't her passive have prevented a ton of night actions from happening last night?

No one targeted Sophia, it was all on Feng...

 

[Sophia]

Going to eat dinner now, I'll be back in a bit.

In any case Ezekel and Sophia do you mind to describe how you feel about lp right now?

I don't know what to think of him right now. I gave him a pass on day 1, but the fact that he seems to have missed so much of the Day 2 discussion is... worrying. But then again, I missed a few obvious details too because of my own mistakes.

 

[Gorlak]

hydro canon best canon #shitposting

...

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How about you give me your opinion on lp?

 

[Kyanrute]

In n hours, sure, I am sleep.

ZZZ.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

What?

Poorly worded, but Gorlak had an RB and a vig shot left. Scum made him target Crimson with either action. In this case Crimson was killed.

 

[Giant Panda]

I was pretty surprised by FEP's flip. I'm also very sad to see Crimson died as he had an important role. Did we ever find out why Protect and Holy Ward have different names? Surely there most be some difference,

I guess my top targets currently are Lone_prodigy and Dragonz, but that's only mostly because they've been flying under the radar up to this point.

 

[OceanicAir]

I didn't receive a request for obedience yesterday, so I just chose *splinter, and the only thing that popped back was "view"

Also, was there any difference between how your answers were phrased today and the "gifts" you received yesterday?

 

[*Splinter]

Looking at the votes.

FEP voters are Kyan, Panda, Zeke and LP.
Not super useful, I would guess there is scum in this group anyway (even if you removed LP).

Darryl voters are Feng, Gorlak and Dragonz.
This is more interesting. Feng is (confirmed?) Lightning Rod and almost certainly town. Gorlak I still think is town. That leaves Dragonz...

Shout out to Oceanic for ending both days with garbage votes:
Day 1 was very close between Sketch and Gorlak, with LP in distant third. Ocean was on Crimson, alone.
Day was a reasonably clear double of FEP and Darryl, with a late push on Lone Prodigy. Ocean was on Zipped, alone.

I could make the same argument for Seath (on Dragonz and then Gorlak). I've definitely given him too much of a free pass so far and to be honest I'm not sure what to do about that.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Splinter must be thrilled that he has Gorlak going to bat for him. Guess that staunch defending paid off.

Gorlak, you're biased. Don't tunnel on me.

I don't know how you're trying to "bring me into the conversation". I went through your posts from the last day: you barely mention me at all in your first few posts besides a couple afterthought mentions at the end (oh if we're going for someone else how about LP for inactivity). Only close to the deadline do you put a vote on me to try to "save Darryl", as you put it. And seeing as Darryl flipped town and no one besides Swamped or Zipped jumped on me, it makes you look good right? Valiantly trying to save a PR by voting for someone else under the pretense of finding scum.

I guess no one wants to talk about Seath.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

In case it was not already clear.

I used my command "view" on *splinter and the only thing I received from my return was "view". No other commands were performed on my target. So unless I was redirected, that is who and what I saw.

 

[*Splinter]

Splinter must be thrilled that he has Gorlak going to bat for him. Guess that staunch defending paid off.

Gorlak, you're biased. Don't tunnel on me.

I don't know how you're trying to "bring me into the conversation". I went through your posts from the last day: you barely mention me at all in your first few posts besides a couple afterthought mentions at the end (oh if we're going for someone else how about LP for inactivity). Only close to the deadline do you put a vote on me to try to "save Darryl", as you put it. And seeing as Darryl flipped town and no one besides Swamped or Zipped jumped on me, it makes you look good right? Valiantly trying to save a PR by voting for someone else under the pretense of finding scum.

I guess no one wants to talk about Seath.

Scum love to lynch inactives, it's such a safe mislynch. So why can't I get them to lynch you on day 2? The only real response I got was Freakinchair arguing against the lynching of inactives (possibly to save himself).

Sophia, Gorlak, Zeke, myself, and now you have all mentioned Seath in the first 2 hours of today. Yeah he's a tricky guy to talk about, what would you like to say about him?

 

[OceanicAir]

Looking at the votes.

FEP voters are Kyan, Panda, Zeke and LP.
Not super useful, I would guess there is scum in this group anyway (even if you removed LP).

Darryl voters are Feng, Gorlak and Dragonz.
This is more interesting. Feng is (confirmed?) Lightning Rod and almost certainly town. Gorlak I still think is town. That leaves Dragonz...

Shout out to Oceanic for ending both days with garbage votes:
Day 1 was very close between Sketch and Gorlak, with LP in distant third. Ocean was on Crimson, alone.
Day was a reasonably clear double of FEP and Darryl, with a late push on Lone Prodigy. Ocean was on Zipped, alone.

I could make the same argument for Seath (on Dragonz and then Gorlak). I've definitely given him too much of a free pass so far and to be honest I'm not sure what to do about that.

Soooo, you wanted me to vote for Darryl or FEP when I said throughout the day that they were probably town? I voted who I thought was scummy, simply put. If we took everybody at face value then town could never win.

Let's not play certain role=town please. Is there any reason why Feng couldn't be mafia, besides wasting a night kill? I just want people's minds open to the possibility. I mean the pieces are there throughout gafia, wasted Day 1 in love boat and unconventional roles like the blah-blah SK in AA or whatever the abomination WWE mafia team was. Besides, he hasn't been overwhelmingly townie in his actions either. Let people's actions speak for themselves, not roles/flavor. That kind of BS was used to lynch FEP. The only people we can all agree on being town is FEP, Darryl, and Crimson, full stop.

And don't forget you spent most of both days on gorlak/flatearthpandas before switching right at the end of the day. Just because you didn't end the day with a vote on somebody means you are absolved. Don't act like leaving your vote on somebody doesn't influence others to vote the same way. Especially with how slow this game has been with the level of participation.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

You lynch inactives on Day 1 because there's nothing to talk about, or further along in the game when you want to clean up the roster. On Day 2 we had claims from Sophia, FEP, Darryl, Feng, Zipped, and Gorlak to contend with. When 1/3 of the entire roster has claimed, town has a decent chance of hitting scum, and scum would love to get rid of a PR. So yeah, inactives would fly under the radar in that case.

As for Seath, we could go after him for... inactivity. Or his late vote on Gorlak in D2.

Who hasn't posted yet today? Seath and Feng? They could be the one who got an alignment message.

 

[OceanicAir]

Seath, Feng, or Giant Panda pls check in and clear one of us.

 

[Kevyt]

I didn't get anything last night and just getting from work so I'll be brief:

Gorlak and Draginz are my top scum suspects. I will provide a more detailed response as to why I think at least one of them is scum, and I'm also eyeing Swamped as a scum suspect too.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Thank you Sophia for pointing me at the post.
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Ezekel how will discussing if Darryl understood his command help us find scum NOW? wtf.

The other commands in the game describe the action the role exerts, so a tracker would likely have a "follow" command.
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Soo we have Lone_Prodigy, Sophia and EzekelRAGE as scum. Intersting. One more scum and pepsi need to be figured out.

In any case Ezekel and Sophia do you mind to describe how you feel about lp right now?

Interesting that I moved to your scum list because I wanted to discuss Darryl and his power. That seems to be the way you operate.
Darryl thinks your scum D1. Day 1 you say Darryl is scum and try to frame it as your last plea to make you seem more town.
D2 same thing with Darryl.
Day 3 I question whether we believe you shot CF on purpose or not and wonder why you don't want to discuss Darryl and I'm scum.

Day 2 Darryl is still on your case all day. In response this is your post twisting his words around and voting for him.

Darryl
I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LIGHTNING ROD. Please Darryl, why do you keep saying this? Are you kidding me? Get your shit together. Jesus.
The bolded looks like a scum slip-up. "with their list of PRs Zipped let loose"? Why would you call it their list? What exactly are you talking about here? If you flip scum this would implicate Zipped, too.
You're whole post #584 looks like it was posted early. "gorlak lying about" without any context. and at the end of the quote names are missing.
You changed your reads completely. Neither Swamped nor L_P you're previous most scummy people should be considered now?
I still have a bad feeling about you and believe you are scum.
Vote: Darryl

Looking back on yesterday at CF's last post it was actually mostly about Gorlak, not Seath.

I just want to highlight how terrible Seath's contribution has been today. Fine, he has an excuse for not being around much, but to come in and drop a vote on the main bandwagon at the time, with no justifications, which he might not even be back to be able to change later. Not really the best look. Plus he seems to really be going under the radar.

I'm also wondering if Oceanic just has misunderstood how the LR resolved, but going after people who are likely town strikes me as odd.

Aside from that, I keep flipflopping on Gorlak. The reveal of the one shot vig is bugging me for a few reasons:
1) Hiding that when you're claiming essentially a doctor role, as he did yesterday, isn't going to save you from a night kill, especially when you can self heal.
2) The reveal came after the list of actions which included a protect. Was he maybe trying to distance his role from a doctor role, which the protect would imply is in this game?
3) We don't actually know what Holy Ward does, and both town and scum have their own respective Gods, so being "holy" doesn't mean town. It could go either way.
4) His role is just altogether odd. A kind of jack of all trades with a 1 shot protect, 1 shot role block and 1 shot kill. Plus the protect can self target. Alongside another role which can use protect. In a game with multiple protect roles, I'd expect a lot of killing roles too, but going by Zipped's list, there was only one kill submitted last night.

Another point, (ok kind of meta and taken from Ouro's guide). Voyeur + Lightning Rod is a pretty powerful combination, and there's probably some balance to it. I doubt that list of roles is complete, especially since there doesn't seem to be too much in the way of scum powers there.

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(Yeah, I said I'd look back over other people, but this post limitation thing isn't really helping with reads. Most other people are fairly null as a result. Swamped, Zeke and Kyan have made some decent contributions though).

I may change my final vote. Not decided yet. Last post will probably be in the final hour, unless I think my vote is about to be locked in.

The whole post is good, but look at #3. Before the LR reveal, we assumed that Gorlak's claim that he protected himself was true since he was still alive. LR reveal makes sense he is alive.

Night 2 - Looking at the facts, he admitted to having a vig shot and told town/scum he wouldn't use the vig shot. Ok. Seems like a town player trying to get scum to target him. Maybe he wants them to target him that way he will still get his kill off and die in the same process. Saving another townie from dying.

Yet he is still alive and goes "opps". Looks like my "theory" of my shot getting switched by the switcher was right and hit either CF or Freak. Why wouldnt scum go for a potential threat in in Gorlak for 2 nights in a row? CF had a protect role but couldn't protect himself, yet Gorlak can?

Also CR admitted to bluffing with his power role claim didn't she? So scum had no reason to even go after him.

Question, why were you so sure Darryl was scum? You are also trying to very hard to point discussion towards LP today.

You saw we lost two town players ystrday, yet you still saw fit to lie to town and use your vig shot?

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Theories on Gorlak, all with him being scum.
1. Holy Ward isn't his power but the real owner of the power doesn't want to out themselves. That was his main defense ystrday or the day before.
2. Holy Ward is his power but it doesn't do what he describes it does.
-------What if it is something scum related and it is more than one use? That would explain why the actions tonight would be unwatchable. He claimed Holy Ward is a 1 shot protect, so shouldn't be able to use it again. But if he believes Zipp or someone else could make another PR list of night activities, he would be screwed and caught in another lie.
3. What if he has to alternate between Holy Ward (w/e that does) and Martyrize (kill shot) each night?
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Vote: Gorlak
For the reasoning above, also because he gets very defensive when questioned. From calling ppl dumbwits to calling them scum. He also knew for a fact there would only be two nk, one of which he would claim, to prove his role. He "assumes" there isn't another killer, but what if he is the other killer for scum?

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LP: Low activity, seems to chime in on whatever is the topic of discussion. Wasted like 3 posts in like 30 minutes ystrday.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Also, was there any difference between how your answers were phrased today and the "gifts" you received yesterday?

Yes, I had flavor that was different due to the lack of other commands. Nothing to indicate favor of the gods or anything.

 

[Sophia]

Darryl outright admitted that a number of issues were due to the posting limit.

Gorlak does have to do with the lightning rod. He originally claimed he used his ability on himself, and then later after Zipped came out with his list of abilities he claimed that his ability was lightning rodded onto Sophia. So Gorlak's entire town defense rests onto him having his ability legitimately moved via the lightning rod. If there was no lightning rod, then Gorlak was lying. I have never said Gorlak used the lightning rod himself.

Also, there's no point putting doubt over my ability. Like I said, it will prove itself in time. Zipped himself had come out to say another player used invite. No one else is going to claim they used it. And it didn't work because it involves multiple people. I didn't realize this at first because it is also belated. I invite people to talk with each other one night, and then it goes into effect the next night. My PR is incredibly powerful, so following Gorlak on his misguided tirade is very dangerous.

It wasn't posted early. I spent an hour putting together research. I just gave up and submitted it. I also didn't mean to post my role title. I was supposed to remove it before I submitted it. Obviously I'm not scum, so I don't need to look over my posts before submitting them. I was going to go in deeper on CrimsonFist. However, my playstyle is very mobile and I only have time to post in short bursts. So this posting limit really takes a toll on me.

So gg that's 10 of 10

And honestly, there were some really superficial reasons by some people for voting for him...

Why don't you believe a priestess would have a role like that? Do you have more information you want to share? How do you know that no one tried to kill Gorlak last night? Targeting people based on capitalization? What? With the way you played in the first day... I have to.

Vote: Darryl

I won't be changing my vote off Darryl as he is my strongest scum read right now.

I agree with you on this point though. The whole "A" thing seems stupid and is overly meta-gamey for my tastes.

Vote: Darryl

I do think the PR claim yesterday could have been a play to be townie by Darryl, and I'm not a fan of your line of reasoning today either.

Finally, dear lord at the 7 abilities used on Sophia. Going to night 1 I certainly thought she was a player looking into, but 7 players coming to the same conclusion seems hard to believe. If Sophia is telling the truth about her ability then there probably won't be much happening tomorrow night.

Post 2!

I'm a Lightning Rod.

My role power is Activate which means all night actions target me that night.
Except I didn't die. Odd.

As far as who my vote goes two there's something very interesting that caught my eye.

There seems to be a vote throw between Darryl and Gorlak (who harboured my suspicions due to post vibes).
Darryl and Gorlak seem to be going aggressively at each other which is supposed to make us think, who is scum who is town?

However, as aggressive as Darryl is about targeting Gorlak, I've noticed he gets super defensive about people actually targeting Gorlak.

I don't know which one is town, or maybe neither are.
But something about that rubs me the wrong way

Vote : Darryl

I see why there would be confusion on votes. My understanding is that we get locked in at 9. Then there's a new majority with the remaining votes. Let's say you lock me in at 9. That leaves 8 more votes with a new majority of 5 before the day ends. No vote reset.

I may be one to speak, but a lot of Sophia's actions never made sense to me and I'm just not sure if I believe her claim. Then she just threw all of her posts in the trash today basically, next to Darryl.

Going back to Zipped, I still believe him. Here's my new thoughts there.

Something else, did anyone besides Sophia really think she would be a big target in the night? It's weird to me Darryl didn't think seven people targeting her was weird. If Zipped really got a message in the night to use his power on Sophia and feng really is a LR, then it came from a god. Could have been Sophia if she honestly was trying to draw attention and was fishing for Zipped to out PRs but, logically, Gorlak and I were both better targets for that imo. Could have been from Pepsi, looking to get our watcher locked down for a day.

Anyway, I sort of suspected Sophia might be a god for a bit today. The fact that my two suspected gods were the very first to jump down Star, the neutral god killer's throat was interesting when I looked into it after already wondering about them, but is likely a coincidence. They started the bandwagon and if they knew roles the gods would definitely want to do that. Explains a bit why Sophia seems pretty casual about her shit. The dictates probably don't affect the gods so maybe she knows she can just pop back in if it's really necessary.

No one seeing Darryl's invites may be because he claimed they don't activate until the following day. Which is kind of bizarre imo. The part where it takes two more days to vet him is pretty convenient. "Too bad" he can't answer any more questions, but I believe that is probably his action name if not what it does.

Vote: Darryl

While we're talking about Darryl, actually...



I feel like I'm being an asshole, seeing as how he can't even post to defend himself, and my actions here may come across as shady, but it needs to be said.

I cannot understand, for the life of me, why Gorlak's claims are so absurd to you, Darryl. It's been discussed at length in the thread, and to me, it makes perfect sense. If Feng claimed being the LR, and Gorlak's holy ward is in the list of used abilities last night (that, may I remind you, were used on a single person if Zipped isn't bullshitting), then it is safe to assume that Gorlak's action was indeed transferred. No one has counter claimed against it, so at the moment, we have to assume it's true. That's it. That's the bottom line. But yet, you are still convinced that he's scum. If there was no LR, the only thing that would have changed would be that all actions would not have been sent to one person.

I suspected him earlier, yes. But at this point, he has nothing left to lose and his claims fit the pattern. Call me scummy for being indecisive or defending him, whatever. But the discussion throughout the course of the day has drastically changed the game, and I'd be a fool to be as closed minded as you are in light of that.

You want him gone. That much is clear. The only reason I can think of is that you are either scared of his remaining abilities or that you think he's an easy target, seeing as though he has been a topic of constant discussion from the very beginning. At the moment, you are infinitely more suspicious to me than FEP.

Vote: Darryl

5

Zipped targeted Sophia and was redirected to Feng due to his lightning rod. So he assumed that his result was for Sophia. There's the solution to that inconsistency. Doesn't explain Zipped's weird drip-feed of information or how he knew that Holy Ward was relevant, or why Pandas command doesn't appear to be in the list. I also agree with Darryl that 6 (excluding kill) seems a bit low, considering that ones you might expect like "investigate" "watch" "track" "roleblock" ect. also don't seem to be there. But it could just be that not everyone chose to use their role last night.

Feng is still alive due to absorbing the protects as well as the kill.

Yes, at this point I think I was completely off on Gorlak. I feel like I've played my role really badly, and I'll stop pushing for his lynch. I'd rather not fully claim though, at the start of the day I thought it would have been a good tradeoff, but now knowing that there was a LR as well as probably being wrong about Gorlak, I don't think it would be a good idea.

Vote: Darryl

Darryl has been chasing weird leads all day. From that focus on the capitalisation of the "a" to thinking that the lightning rod had anything to do with Gorlak being scum. Plus he seems to be completely disregarding the post limit, I think he's on 8 now.

7

I don't even get Feng's reason for voting him off. He was too aggressive towards Gorlak but people actually targeting Gorlak he got defensive about? And this was somehow a massive scumtell that mean not moving his vote? The hell?

Gorlak's vote against him was quoted by EzekelRAGE above.

I need to look at these in context again to see if I'm missing anything... What does everyone else think about the votes against Darryl? Do they seem off to you or...? The only person who seems to have a remotely valid argument was Crimson, and he's now coincidentally gone.... :\

 

[fengshuifever]

Hey all, I just woke up (aedt time zone yall) so I haven't been able to chime in.

I'm gonna write something a bit more indepth in a sec but just wanted to check in

 

[Giant Panda]

Seath, Feng, or Giant Panda pls check in and clear one of us.

I didn't get anything last night. The dictate isn't really clear when the alignment info will be given out though. We might get it later.

 

[fengshuifever]

Sophia, in a game centered on finding people's inconsistencies, to me that was a pretty glaring inconsistency (all in on someone, then overly defensive when others follow suit)

It's not hard to get and I don't even know how to further justify it cause it's pretty clear.

As for me, I got the Dream notification although I have no idea what it actually does.
I'm not even sure where to go from here, I'm gonna have to go back some pages and get some reads on people.

 

[Kevyt]

I also got the dream notification.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

3 ppl got a dream notification all dealing with killing/banishing a god?

 

[fengshuifever]

3 ppl got a dream notification all dealing with killing/banishing a god?

I didn't mention anything about killing a god in the message.

The only reference it had to a god was that as we walked through the dream we notice that our feet are thickly covered with spider webs, like some kind of shoe.

 

[fengshuifever]

(curse this no edit policy, especially when I'm still sleepy and mistype )

I meant to type *it didn't mention anything about killing a god in the message

 

[Sophia]

Sophia, in a game centered on finding people's inconsistencies, to me that was a pretty glaring inconsistency (all in on someone, then overly defensive when others follow suit)

It's not hard to get and I don't even know how to further justify it cause it's pretty clear.

As for me, I got the Dream notification although I have no idea what it actually does.
I'm not even sure where to go from here, I'm gonna have to go back some pages and get some reads on people.

I mean, as far as Day 2 is concerned, I just don't quite see that supposed "glaring inconsistency" you claim. Before you outed yourself as a lightning rod, I outright went hard in on Gorlak. Called him out and even voted for him. Yet not only did Darryl not jump on me at the time, but he actually seemingly voted with me.

Lemme look back at Day 1, but pardon me if I just don't find your vote very convincing.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I didn't mention anything about killing a god in the message.

The only reference it had to a god was that as we walked through the dream we notice that our feet are thickly covered with spider webs, like some kind of shoe.

Seath what was your dream about?

 

[Swamped]

Swamped change https to http, should fix your problem.

It keeps redirecting though. This is so frustrating! I don't mind posting from my phone, but it's just such a pain to search posts on my phone.

 

[Swamped]

Btw as OA said, I did not get invited to the bathhouse gossip chat

Gorlak was an easy redirect target. Scum must've figured you would roleblock or shoot Crimson.

Poorly worded, but Gorlak had an RB and a vig shot left. Scum made him target Crimson with either action. In this case Crimson was killed.

Why do you assume that the scum redirect (if there was one) was to Crimson? Couldn't it have been redirected to Freak?

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Why do you assume that the scum redirect (if there was one) was to Crimson? Couldn't it have been redirected to Freak?

That is a good question. Why does he say Crimson was the one that was switched?


We had this same scenario in Ace Attorney. Where scum was responsible for one death (A) and a NK the other(B). As town with no knowledge of either death, we didn't know which killer had a hand in which death, so no ideas on motives or possible actions assigned to A or B. The mafia automatically spoke about theories assigning the NK and other possible actions to body B, knowing they had a hand with A's death.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I didn't get anything last night and just getting from work so I'll be brief:

I also got the dream notification.

???
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OA/Feng when did you two get the notifications about ur dreams?

 

[OceanicAir]

About a half hour after the day ended. Didn't seem like it a player's responsible for it.

 

[Giant Panda]

What motive did Gorlak have for telling us about his supposed vigilante ability if he's scum and he was going to kill someone? He wouldn't even have been under suspicion if he hadn't brought it up himself. He created cover for himself in case someone was watching him or his target I guess. It still seems like it would have been safer to just not mention a vig kill if he were scum.

If Gorlak is telling the truth, we have to consider the possibility that Lone_prodigy was in fact targeted, but that he survived due to being bulletproof or a god.

 

[fengshuifever]

???
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OA/Feng when did you two get the notifications about ur dreams?

About 3-almost 4 days ago

 

[EzekelRAGE]

What motive did Gorlak have for telling us about his supposed vigilante ability if he's scum and he was going to kill someone? He wouldn't even have been under suspicion if he hadn't brought it up himself. He created cover for himself in case someone was watching him or his target I guess. It still seems like it would have been safer to just not mention a vig kill if he were scum.

He mentioned the vig shot to make him seem more town because he took mercy on Darryl and didn't want to kill potential town member, putting town at a disadvantage.

If I'm scum why didn't I just thunderdome Darryl and claimed to have blocked him Night 1 making him responsible for the no kill night? As town I didn't want to give into the karkadorian #unnecessary gambits, but there was a slight urge to do so (same with the vig-kill).
In the end I decided to tell the truth and not weaken the town further with my bad play. Maybe I just weakened town with how I played now, I don't know.
This is my first time as a town power role. Keeping a low profile would have been better, but I already said I wanted to enjoy this game. I did not want to sit on my finger the whole day like others.

There two things funny about this post.
1. He says he couldve framed Darryl if he wanted to by saying he RB'd him N1. That doesn't hold up because Zipp had already revealed the gift thing before this post iifc.

2. His reasons for not killing Darryl, when he had no knowledge of a possible switcher are:
-Didn't want to weaken town
-Try an unnecessary gambit

With his knowledge of a switcher he decided to:
Weaken town
Try an unnecessary gambit
Lie to town
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About 3-almost 4 days ago

About a half hour after the day ended. Didn't seem like it a player's responsible for it.

Ok, seath's story isnt adding up then.

 

[fengshuifever]

Ok, seath's story isnt adding up then.

OH GOD WAIT.

I'm sorry (I hope this doesn't make me sound flim flammy) I mistook the Month - Day as Day - Month (Australian), I was sent it on the 6th.

Goddamnit, sorry for the confusion.

 

[Giant Panda]

He mentioned the vig shot to make him seem more town because he took mercy on Darryl and didn't want to kill potential town member, putting town at a disadvantage.

Do people actually think that makes Gorlak look more like town? Really, it only matters if Gorlak thought it made him look more like town. I'm still not feeling it. If scum Gorlak did make that play then it was a totally #unnecessarygambit.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

For what it's worth, I got the "obey" and "refuse" offer about a 1/2 hou after the end of day 1.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Do people actually think that makes Gorlak look more like town? Really, it only matters if Gorlak thought it made him look more like town. I'm still not feeling it. If scum Gorlak did make that play then it was a totally #unnecessarygambit.

Gorlak obviously thought it would make him seem more town since he used it in his defense of not being scum. He litterally said "If I was scum why didn't I thunderdome Darryl".

I have to make just one more addition. I kept quiet about my third night action because I thought there was still a chance to maybe use it tonight. This won't happen now. "Martyrize" is a vig-shot I have left. I planned on keeping this a secret and explaining the additional night kill tomorrow, after half of the day phase. There would have been the chance of scum being to eager to get more information about another killer on day 3. After the no kill night and lynching a neutral I thought, there was room for a misguided vig shot, in case I hit a townie. However this depends from the two lynches today, maybe I would have simply blocked Darryl Night 2. My defense is also not build up on a possible lightning rod ability as Darryl makes it sound like. It's completely independent from that.

This is from the same post. He knew there would only be one more additional kill for the next phase. There is no "assuming" in there anywhere. Also he only planned on claiming the kill after half the day phase. Why not just claim it at the start of it? He says he woudlnt use the Vig shot depending on the flip of the two lynches, but used it anyway. Why not just use the roleblock on LP?

For what it's worth, I got the "obey" and "refuse" offer about a 1/2 hou after the end of day 1.

Yea I guess swait for Seath to explain.

 

[Giant Panda]

Gorlak obviously thought it would make him seem more town since he used it in his defense of not being scum. He litterally said "If I was scum why didn't I thunderdome Darryl".



This is from the same post. He knew there would only be one more additional kill for the next phase. There is no "assuming" in there anywhere. Also he only planned on claiming the kill after half the day phase. Why not just claim it at the start of it? He says he woudlnt use the Vig shot depending on the flip of the two lynches, but used it anyway. Why not just use the roleblock on LP?


Yea I guess swait for Seath to explain.

I'll admit that Gorlak instantly assuming his kill was redirected was odd, but the safer move if Gorlak was scum was to not even say he attempted to vig kill. He'd be unnecessarily painting a target on his back. Like what is the hypothetical situation are you thinking here if Gorlak is scum? He or someone else on his team has a limited use extra kill? And Gorlak thought claiming indirect responsibility for killing a town power role was a good way to continue to appear town?

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I'll admit that Gorlak instantly assuming his kill was redirected was odd, but the safer move if Gorlak was scum was to not even say he attempted to vig kill. He'd be unnecessarily painting a target on his back. Like what is the hypothetical situation are you thinking here if Gorlak is scum? He or someone else on his team has a limited use extra kill? And Gorlak thought claiming indirect responsibility for killing a town power role was a good way to continue to appear town?

He couldnt deny making the vig kill because as far as he knew someone would be able to say that martyrize was one of the command he did last night.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

OH GOD WAIT.

I'm sorry (I hope this doesn't make me sound flim flammy) I mistook the Month - Day as Day - Month (Australian), I was sent it on the 6th.

Goddamnit, sorry for the confusion.

Still received it before this current game day phase correct?

If so then Seath still shouldn't have been been able to say he received nothing.