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Of Gods and Men [Mafia] | Ambrosia In Front Of Me
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Because I'm not at my computer? I really can't write a huge post from my phone.
Then please say this. As much spectator chat might disagree, we're not on a daytime soap opera. After that weirdness that Seath and Gorlak did earlier, we need as much open communication as possible.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Maybe say that next time instead? The wording made it seem like you wanted to wait til next day phase or something like that.
Sophia, it's literally the first line in my post XD
I also previously said that I will be overwhelmed this weekend, so the game is taking a backseat. Just find my old posts.
My apologizes. I'm a bit on edge here unrelated to the game. We're waiting to here from Zipped too, so you've got time.
OceanicAir votes, for reference
Day 1:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=199763734#post199763734
Day 2:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=200023772#post200023772
Both on Crimson and nowhere else.... am I missing something or is that really all his votes?
Day 1:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=199763734#post199763734
Day 2:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=200023772#post200023772
Both on Crimson and nowhere else.... am I missing something or is that really all his votes?
Oh, nope, there was a day 2 vote for Zipped as well
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=200123552#post200123552
Hmm...
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=200123552#post200123552
Hmm...
OceanicAir
Member
Who knows? Maybe they're looking for Komena? Or maybe absorbs/targets is a town action? Or maybe just for the lols. Chances are isn't much else Zipped could find yesterday unless a) mafia didn't use all of their roles and b) he got extremely lucky.
Not at all, the word I received seems to be made up.
Yeah, I kept my vote on Crimson day 1 just like you did until StarSketch did what she did. I switched on to Zipped and provided my reasons.
Yeah, your votes for Crimson day 1 and Zipped day 2 make sense to me. Only the Day 2 vote for Crimson feels slightly unusual right now. Meh.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Theory - Splinter is scum and is or has access to person who owns targets ability?
But Splinter thought otherwise
Not only did he figure Gorlak would use a power, but knew it would be the vig shot and figured it would be on him.
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Splinter was also the first(only?) one to call out CF as a PR
While he really thinks Darryl is scum, he votes LP anyway and now today he has a post or 2 calling out scum in the FEP/Darryl votes. There is a chance a scum or 2 dodged both votes that day. Goes to bat hard defending Gorlak.
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Looking at CF's last post it was actually:
He was weary of the LP voters and also wanted to know why no one addressed Seath. Which it (Seath)seems Splinter doesn't care too much for.
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As far as I was concerned I figured Gorlak wouldn't use his power. It's been one of my main issues against him.
But Splinter thought otherwise
Not only did he figure Gorlak would use a power, but knew it would be the vig shot and figured it would be on him.
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Splinter wasn't fooled by the bluff.
Splinter was also the first(only?) one to call out CF as a PR
While he really thinks Darryl is scum, he votes LP anyway and now today he has a post or 2 calling out scum in the FEP/Darryl votes. There is a chance a scum or 2 dodged both votes that day. Goes to bat hard defending Gorlak.
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Looking at CF's last post it was actually:
He was weary of the LP voters and also wanted to know why no one addressed Seath. Which it (Seath)seems Splinter doesn't care too much for.
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Actually that could be possible. Especially if the scum who carries out the kill can't perform their role power that night.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Thinking there's a scum redirect isn't rocket science. Zipped saw a "targets" power. Gorlak was the first to suggest his kill was redirected. I'm simply going off what's been suggested in the thread. I have no extra information or knowledge.
The last two votes on me look suspicious (Kyan and Swamped). We have 27 hours to go. 4/7 is turbo range. Something you don't want me to say?
The last two votes on me look suspicious (Kyan and Swamped). We have 27 hours to go. 4/7 is turbo range. Something you don't want me to say?
Does that mean you have something to say...?
EzekelRAGE
Member
Yea Gorlack was the first to say it was redirected. You were the first to assign CF's kill to Vig/Neutral though.
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I want to point out that you made the first post at the same time that Gorlak made the post claiming he targeted you, so you couldn't have known CF was teh vig/neu kill.
In the 2nd one you have no doubt it was CF who was killed becuase of Vig. Why do you assign the Freak kill to mafia automatically at the start of the day?
Seriously? You couldn't resist unnecessary turbos in every day of your last game, but you think Gorlak would resist using a vig kill? Bullshit. I was surprised he hadn't used it night one.
4/7 is not turbo range...
EzekelRAGE
Member
What does how I play in another game have to do with how a totally different player plays in this game? Especially when the power isn't the same. Also I hit scum 3/4 times in that game didn't I?
In that same game u mention about me, a new player didnt use his vig shot N1.
Why is it hard to believe he would use a vig shot? Just because it's risky?
EzekelRAGE
Member
Maybe because he said he wouldn't use it? Why wouldn't I believe a person who is town saying he wouldnt use his power in fear of costing town the game. Why would I have a reason not to believe him?
Also I ONLY had my vote power, he had supposedly another option in a roleblock.
While you are trying to bring up my actions and power in another game to defend Gorlak or w/e reason you knew he would use his Vig shot instead of roleblock. Don't forget to bring up my actions on my last 2 days. I stated I wouldn't use my vote steal, because I didn't want to harm town's chances of winning.
Guess what?
I didn't use my vote steal because I didn't want to harm town's chances of winning.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Mafia is speculation. Nothing is confirmed until a flip happens. I shouldn't have to preface every post with "I think".
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Maybe not turbo, but well on its way to majority. Just need votes from 3 of the remaining 9 players.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Forum game and you are speaking like you know something. Can't blame ppl for thinking that way if you dont put "i think" or something like that in a post.
Also I thnk you missed this post from Sophia?
This may be the first time you brought up swamped and kyan this day phase, what exactly would they be afraid of you saying?
You say this in every post. I don't give a shit if I look good or not, I'm trying to find scum. I wasn't even interested in defending Gorlak there I was trying to work out why Zeke would find his actions so unbelievable. Does Zeke really think that's a lynch worthy argument or is he saying stupid shit on purpose? I can't tell.
Maybe if you're trying to hunt scum, might it be best to resort to actual arguments then? All I can do is roll my eyes when your argument starts out with "You couldn't resist unnecessary turbos in every day of your last game". It doesn't tell me anything, and it makes me think you don't have an actual argument sometimes. I didn't like it when Zipped did it in Day 1, and I'm certainly not going to tolerate it from you in Day 3.
I don't think it's unreasonable to look upon Gorlak with suspicion for using his vig shot now. He claimed outright he wouldn't use it at the end of Day 2 for precisely assuming it was a redirect ability:
Come Day 3, we find out he apparently used it, and he immediately claimed it was a redirect ability. If he's telling the truth, that's an incredibly silly town play. Definitely worthy of quite a bit of scrutiny, even if I don't know about him leaving his vote on Gorlak.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Ask them. Plenty of time left and they act like if they don't vote for me now it'll be too late.
Yawn...
Blow me
EzekelRAGE
Member
Where have I said they were unbelievable? I questioned why he would vig shot over rb and why he would lie about using his power. You are the one bringing up stupid shit by bringing up a stupid shitty comparison to another game.
Ok, seems like you think they know something about you. Since you think they don't want you to say anything. But nvm.
It's not a comparison. You say Gorlak "shouldnt" have killed someone because it's risky and potentially anti town. You claim that's unusual despite exhibiting similar behaviour yourself in the past.
I loathe having to spell this out, but my point isn't "here's an example of a similar play" (because it's not). My point is that it doesn't make sense for YOU PERSONALLY to find this so hard to understand because you have first hand experience of doing something not necessarily in towns best interest.
I loathe having to spell this out, but my point isn't "here's an example of a similar play" (because it's not). My point is that it doesn't make sense for YOU PERSONALLY to find this so hard to understand because you have first hand experience of doing something not necessarily in towns best interest.
Why?
Giant Panda
Member
Seath is just trolling with his constant vote changes. I kind of want to policy lynch him.
Because I can.
EzekelRAGE
Member
I say Gorlak shouldn't have done it because he said he WASNT GONNA DO IT.
I didn't say I wouldn't use my power and then turned around and used it neway. What's is so hard about it for you to understand? It's not that difficult honestly.
I find it interesting you focus on this now, after I posted you believed Gorlak would kill you. You didn't bring any of this up when me and Gorlak was going at it.
Better question, why didn't you question his vote on you?
I'm thinking I want to policy lynch him too; the only reason I've hesitated voting for him is I don't want to cost town the game over it.
It's frustrating. How are we suppose to proceed with a player acting like that and the possibility of them being an un-lynchable God? Especially on Day 3 after four town deaths...
Fools, all of you.
This game is boring me, and as an emperor god, I demand blood!.
Mortals fight amongst you and kill one another. It satisfies my hunger for destruction and decay.
Yes, I'm Peripseros and I'm neutral.
We the gods are neutral and don't really care about either town or scum. Our victory conditions are different from yours. Stand against me and you'll pay dearly.
You guys lost your chances to remove our godhood. Puny mortals.
Now the real game begins.
Entertain me, mortals.
This game is boring me, and as an emperor god, I demand blood!.
Mortals fight amongst you and kill one another. It satisfies my hunger for destruction and decay.
Yes, I'm Peripseros and I'm neutral.
We the gods are neutral and don't really care about either town or scum. Our victory conditions are different from yours. Stand against me and you'll pay dearly.
You guys lost your chances to remove our godhood. Puny mortals.
Now the real game begins.
Entertain me, mortals.
What a garbage argument, are you fucking real?
Sooo... lets think this out.
You won't be happy/satisfied until Gorlak is lynched.
Gorlak's commands are Holy Ward and Sacrament, the odd ones out among Zipped's commands.
He didn't reveal either of these on Day 1, thought I was barking up the wrong tree.
Didn't reveal them on Day 2 until Zipped posted the list of commands.
And then there's the command "Martyrize", which usually means "to make a martyr of someone"
And then there's this vote where you said to lynch you, then lynch Gorlak the next day.
If I had to guess: Gorlak is Komena and your win condition is related to removing him. Which means I was right when you two confirmed each other. Something happens when we lynch him or you, and it's related to your win condition. Presumably, you also haven't fulfilled your win condition as you're still here yet you had more than enough evidence to suggest that Gorlak is the other God.
Now the question I'm wondering is...
... did you accidentally just town confirm these people? Or are we being played and one of scum is among this group?
You won't be happy/satisfied until Gorlak is lynched.
Gorlak's commands are Holy Ward and Sacrament, the odd ones out among Zipped's commands.
He didn't reveal either of these on Day 1, thought I was barking up the wrong tree.
Didn't reveal them on Day 2 until Zipped posted the list of commands.
And then there's the command "Martyrize", which usually means "to make a martyr of someone"
And then there's this vote where you said to lynch you, then lynch Gorlak the next day.
If I had to guess: Gorlak is Komena and your win condition is related to removing him. Which means I was right when you two confirmed each other. Something happens when we lynch him or you, and it's related to your win condition. Presumably, you also haven't fulfilled your win condition as you're still here yet you had more than enough evidence to suggest that Gorlak is the other God.
Now the question I'm wondering is...
... did you accidentally just town confirm these people? Or are we being played and one of scum is among this group?
When I was re-reading Seath I figured he might be a God, but I wasn't sure which one. There was a lot of speculation on D1, plus his erratic votes and that back-and-forth with Gorlak made it seem like he didn't care about how he looked to town, because he can't be lynched. Voting for him will result in a waste of a day.
So somehow Seath knows that Komena is also a neutral. Does that mean she is not on our side? She must at least be a town-aligned neutral.
Seath - were you the one in charge of choosing the dictates every day phase? Do you really think Gorlak is scum?
I misunderstood that the spell is fragmented and then handed to people. I thought that OA had full access to a God-killing spell. I assumed that one God was scum-aligned and the other town aligned, which meant that both sides need a way of killing the gods in order to fulfill their win condition. This is why I assumed that either Seath or OA were a follwer of Pepsi.
Now, Seath was probably lying about receiving a dream. Why would a God need a god-slaying spell? Unless...only the Gods can kill each other (I think someone said this D1)
BUT BUT BUT Feng had a dream too, and he has not yet come forward about it. Feng, please let us know what the dream was about. You are definitely not a god since your power was the 1-shot LR.
There's no harm in speculating about who the gods are right? I think the other God is OA. When re-reading OA I actually at first thought he might be scum, but maybe being a god is an option too.
Bolding is by me. Before Seath came out and said that the gods were neutrals I thought P was part of the scum team (I guess he could have been a recruitable though...). So I would have thought the first bolded sentence was obvious. Why does OA use the word 'Even' in it? Then he says that P has knowledge of our PRs. I mean, after Zipped released the list on D2, everyone did. Not sure what this implies yet, but I want to keep it in mind.
So yeah, I initially scum-read OA, but now I'm not so sure. OA knows more than he lets on, and whether that's because he's scum or a god I can't tell. OA received a part of a god-killing spell too...
I also can't tell if Seath is telling the truth about being P. Maybe he's actually K. Either way, doesn't affect us mortals much. I believe that Seath is a god though, just from his playstyle throughout the game.
Don't...don't tell them that I regularly eat tubs of speculoos ice-cream with copious amount of speculoos spread slathered on it D:
You're exaggerating about a turbo. Also, I've been suspicious of you since the start of this day phase, so my vote is timely. Did not want to vote immediately since I was reading OA and Seath. Having votes down is always a good thing in my mind, and they can definitely change - we still have plenty of time in this day phase. You seem nervous.
So somehow Seath knows that Komena is also a neutral. Does that mean she is not on our side? She must at least be a town-aligned neutral.
Seath - were you the one in charge of choosing the dictates every day phase? Do you really think Gorlak is scum?
I misunderstood that the spell is fragmented and then handed to people. I thought that OA had full access to a God-killing spell. I assumed that one God was scum-aligned and the other town aligned, which meant that both sides need a way of killing the gods in order to fulfill their win condition. This is why I assumed that either Seath or OA were a follwer of Pepsi.
Now, Seath was probably lying about receiving a dream. Why would a God need a god-slaying spell? Unless...only the Gods can kill each other (I think someone said this D1)
BUT BUT BUT Feng had a dream too, and he has not yet come forward about it. Feng, please let us know what the dream was about. You are definitely not a god since your power was the 1-shot LR.
There's no harm in speculating about who the gods are right? I think the other God is OA. When re-reading OA I actually at first thought he might be scum, but maybe being a god is an option too.
Bolding is by me. Before Seath came out and said that the gods were neutrals I thought P was part of the scum team (I guess he could have been a recruitable though...). So I would have thought the first bolded sentence was obvious. Why does OA use the word 'Even' in it? Then he says that P has knowledge of our PRs. I mean, after Zipped released the list on D2, everyone did. Not sure what this implies yet, but I want to keep it in mind.
So yeah, I initially scum-read OA, but now I'm not so sure. OA knows more than he lets on, and whether that's because he's scum or a god I can't tell. OA received a part of a god-killing spell too...
I also can't tell if Seath is telling the truth about being P. Maybe he's actually K. Either way, doesn't affect us mortals much. I believe that Seath is a god though, just from his playstyle throughout the game.
Don't...don't tell them that I regularly eat tubs of speculoos ice-cream with copious amount of speculoos spread slathered on it D:
You're exaggerating about a turbo. Also, I've been suspicious of you since the start of this day phase, so my vote is timely. Did not want to vote immediately since I was reading OA and Seath. Having votes down is always a good thing in my mind, and they can definitely change - we still have plenty of time in this day phase. You seem nervous.
EzekelRAGE
Member
I'm gonna assume there is a misunderstanding between us and you aren't causing an argument and cheery picking what you answer to distract ppl.
This statement should clear everything up:
My argument/case with Gorlak, why I suspect he is scum and why I was on his case today, really has nothign to do with WHY he shot last night. I posted my reason for going in on him earlier.
So this argument you are trying to have about how I should understand how and why personally Gorlak used his vig shot is the garbage argument here. Especially since hardly anything is similar between the two games. Not the same powers, not the same situations. The only thing similar is that we both told town we wouldn't use our powers (I was a vote thief btw, so no one wouldve died). I didn't lie so didn't steal a vote. He lied and vig shot anyway.
EzekelRAGE
Member
That doesn't hold up because Gorlak claims he was targeted last night with a redirect.
Feng mentioned taht his dream wasn't about killing gods.
Oh, you have a point. If he was targeted by the redirect, then that would make him ineligible....
Seeing as Swamped brought up OA, what do you two think of this exchange from pre-game? It was after OA claims he got his role, but before we knew there were Gods.
Oh yeah I missed that. Hm so maybe only gods got the god-killing dreams (again, assuming I'm right about OA being a god). But it's a three-part dream sounds like, possibly with a part of the spell being revealed each night. Is this going to be a race for which god gets the avada kedavra spell first?!?!?! Because that doesn't sound entirely fair. Seath got his first dream on N1, whereas OA got his N2.
I really don't think Gorlak is a god. He has fought very hard these past few day phases to not be lynched. An unlynchable target would not do that.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Idk, just reads to me like he doesn't care about the D1 length.
Hmm. Alrighty then. I wasn't sure. I noticed it back on Day 1, but pushed it to the back of my mind until now.
At any rate, I've got a really bad feeling telling me that lynching Seath or Gorlak is not a wise idea this day. I guess I could being played with and Gorlak really is scum, tho.