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Batman [Mafia] |OT| The mafia game Gafia deserves , but not the one it needs
- Thread starter roytheone
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Your role isn't making sense to me. Why would you you just die after 4 day phases? Not to say I don't believe you because I find it harder to believe Batman is a fake claim but last time someone told me they were on a timer till death they were lying. They were also trying to buy themselves one more night to avoid a lynch but that isn't the case here. I guess I just don't understand how a Hugo Strange ties into to Batman living or dying.
As for that paragraph about Coppa, how do you feel about Launch then? He is claiming investigator, does he fit into your idea of what this game should or should not have?
Also, you are arguing semantics with Xam. When a doctor says they healed you, they just mean that they targeted you that night. Doctors around here aren't informed if they succeed or fail so Xam would have no idea if you were targeted.
Not really? Though you can add in whatever Camjo was claiming too.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Oh, but the fact that he healed you doesn't necessarily mean that the heal went through or that you were targeted.
That's a bit hyperbolic, isn't it?
Thought I wrote things under these quotes but apparently not:
What does this post even mean?
Gafia has a hard on for neutrals and it hurts nothing to just assume they are there and take them into account, apparently I wasn't wrong from reading the rest of the morning posts.
What does this post even mean?
Gafia has a hard on for neutrals and it hurts nothing to just assume they are there and take them into account, apparently I wasn't wrong from reading the rest of the morning posts.
Is it? Let's take the case of 4 scum which is the most in-line with expectations. 12 players, mislynch = 11 players, scum NK = 10 players, Trigger dying automatically = 9 players, Hugo winning (if this is his win condition) = 8 players. Start of day 5 is 4 vs. 4, scum wins.
Xamtheking
Member
We have 10 people right now
If we mislynch it goes down to 9, scum kills at night bringing it down to 8(unless I can actually call it right tonight), then Trigger dies bringing us down to 7 and Hugo Strange probably also gets removed from the game, bringing us to 6 people, where a 3-man scum team wins
Xamtheking
Member
Can we like have a better system for replacing people on the main list besides crossing them out
you fishing for information, to get everybody's plans/motivations out in the open. If all scum left that's incredibly valueable. I think that makes most sense if you're scum.
Is this day 1 all over again where I have to argue the value of making reads? I'm looking for backup plans going forward because this train is hurling itself into a wall and I want to be able to make myself as useful as I can be before I get lynched. Asking how people's suspicions will ebb and flow depending on my flip is hardly putting plans and motivations out in the open, it's the same as posting top town and top scum but I'm asking people to project based on my death.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I'm not buying there are 4 scum if there's a neutral, not with these numbers. Sorian trying to scare us into thinking we're in MyLo.
I'm doubling down.
VOTE: Sorian
I'm doubling down.
VOTE: Sorian
Just wanted to solidify my gut feelings. I don't know how a scum Weemad would play theoretically. I was basing my impressions partially off behavior in Princess Mafia.
- If my role doesn't make sense to you then blame Roy. No fluff reason is given for how he'll kill me; just that if he succeeds in getting me to survive till Night 4 I die. This isn't a stall tactic. I'm fine with being lynched since I won't be able to play past today anyway. I'm not confident that we'll lynch Strange today.
- He doesn't quite gel with my idea of the game's meta-balance, but it's such an odd claim that I have trouble completely dismissing it.
- Fair enough. I'm no mafia expert on how things work. It just stuck out to me as weird.
You think scum is only 17% of the player list? Come on now, you know better then that. Also, why attribute it to me when Xam was the one that said we were potentially in mylo first? I just broke down numbers for you.
Xamtheking
Member
Guys
Take a step back and look at your votes
How many of you guys are voting because you don't believe his role exists and how many of you are voting because you think he's actually scum
Remember
What you think makes sense is not what the Gamerunner thinks makes sense
I'm much more interested in lynching someone on the list, because I trust launch
But anything I do by this point doesn't matter so I'll go play some Linkin Park for a bit
Take a step back and look at your votes
How many of you guys are voting because you don't believe his role exists and how many of you are voting because you think he's actually scum
Remember
What you think makes sense is not what the Gamerunner thinks makes sense
I'm much more interested in lynching someone on the list, because I trust launch
But anything I do by this point doesn't matter so I'll go play some Linkin Park for a bit
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Why shouldn't we lynch Coppa? If he is the neutral chances are he'll just save/confirm Trigger.
Xamtheking
Member
Are you feeling Strange right now?
Xamtheking
Member
So what does Coppanuva do as a neutralSorry. I know nothing about Batman lore
Because if you are saying Coppanuva as a neutral, you know that Coppa visited Kark N2
Sorry. I know nothing about Batman lore
He's saying that he thinks you are the neutral Hugo Strange. Which would make sense why you had no interest in pushing Coppa today. Detract from the list and we wouldn't have to choose between you and Coppa which removes the 50/50 chance of you getting lynched and presumably, you win after Batman dies tonight.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Because I think it's either you or him, and that's a 50/50 chance still with no reads. At least Sorian has been acting suspiciously.
This as well.
Suspiciously this morning means accounting for worst case scenarios.
No, I think he's scum who investigated or something with Kark.
Please. I've stated several times that I want to focus on other people to get a better idea of what the scum team looks like. I've never gone against a Coppa lynch, I just didn't think he needed more attention.
You don't think we're in mylo so then you just lynch the other afterwards.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
No, Sorian. Suspiciously is "charging up mah lazer" for 3 nights with no payoff.
If Trigger is telling the truth, then Strange is out of here next day start. We miss, it was a waste of time. I rather grab the scum in front of me.
If Trigger is telling the truth, then Strange is out of here next day start. We miss, it was a waste of time. I rather grab the scum in front of me.
You think Sorian is Strange?
I agree with you on Coppa (first point) but to your second point, you have stated it and that's all well and good but the behavior is there that you could be Hugo. I'm now partially torn between scum hunting or Hugo hunting because if this is all true then up to 3 people could die/exit the game tonight and even if Launch doesn't want to admit it, that's huge. Only partially though, we're so deep in the hole that if we don't find scum today anyway then it might as well be a wipe.
I think your post can be read as a blatant, town-ass, rather non-specific (because you address everyone and noone) post that fishes for information that might be useful overall (as that' is one of Town's most important tools as they can't communicate privately, obviously), but that is more relevant to Scum than to Town right now.
That doesn't sit right with me at this very moment. And read lists on Day One - and why i think they are useful and at a certain point should be mandatory - has nothing to do with the here and now. Granted it was the middle of the night and there was little activity here, so I'll give you that. So does that make you Scum? No. Does it add to the overall picture? Possibly.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
No, I think Sorian is scum.
Also, I believe Trigger's claim wholesale because it matches the source material and it's beyond risky.
I think Coppa or you are Strange, maybe you since you're insisting on us going down this rabbit hole.
We've been in deep shit for a while.
If I'm Hugo, why did I spend so much time arguing with you about Kark?
Sorry, I thought you wanted to save Trigger and that was your reason for not voting Coppa.
Think it through. No need to rush to a decision.
You know I was role blocked night 1. There is no question there. So "charging up mah lazer" for 2 nights. Otherwise I have no counter for this. If this is all of the suspicious behavior you are basing off of then you are gambling the game on circumstance.
A presumed town player just came in here and told us a really weird story about a neutral that you, yourself, did not think existed at all until this morning (I say you because I'm sure others thought the same). Do you really think scum is going to out themselves over that story? I think it is game over if we mislynch today and everything Trigger said is true but scum has been burned in the past exposing themselves on a turbo when the game wasn't actually over. They would also have to not hit Strange tonight with their NK by accident. Or, you know, the obvious, they are all voting for me already.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
What's your role?
Ordinary.
That's why I suggested taking over Kark's place in the vote seeing how distressed he was acting and knowing that I wasn't very valuable as an ordinary should there have been something up with the vote.
Can you explain the dying after 4 day phases thing? Does that match source material (honest question, it's my biggest stumbling block).
Scum hunting. That's the best way to avoid being lynched.
You are so hilariously salty right now lol To answer that though, for me at least, I've been posting reads every day, they don't actually have to be in the form of a full list and no one ever said they did except for you.
This is feeling weird now.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Yeah, he probably outs his identity and Batman has to leave to go into hiding or something.
That wasn't scum hunting, that was town reading Kark and would have looked really bad if Kark flipped scum.
Huh, actually yes, that does make a lot of sense. I feel like Trigger would know that flavor from his own role PM though.
Maybe, I'm not sure why people always assume being super wrong must mean that the person who was wrong is scum. It's not a death sentence to be wrong in a game of mafia, it's mostly expected.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Nobody said he didn't, just that it explains why he would die
Depends on how wrong you are and how you act. I'd argue the main reason you're one vote away from a turbo is because of your beef with Kark/gryvan yesterday.
Xamtheking
Member
Ty4on, why don't you want to push Coppa?
Depends on how much of the vote on me is scum. For all I know, two of those people are actually town which doesn't mean much. I though Kark/gryvan were scum, I have no issue owning that, I'm pissed how it played out because of these stupid gambits.
Sure, your knocking of reads list was still stupid. I can tell you the same again when the game is over and you don't think I'm scum lying to you.
Xamtheking
Member
It's funny
I don't think scum has done much to get town to very rapidly cannibalize itself
But here we are
I don't think scum has done much to get town to very rapidly cannibalize itself
But here we are
Because I ultimately think it's wrong to vote outside of that group.
I wanted to flesh out my reads as much as I could. That's why I pushed people like Fire who we know very little about. As it started to look more and more like we'd actually lynch someone outside of that group I got more worried. I don't town read Sorian, but I think it's wrong to lynch him before Coppa or me. It's a shot in the dark we don't have to make.
If I'm the neutral, why haven't I turbo'd Sorian yet?
Xamtheking
Member
True though NX taught me that you should never hammer someone when you are the neutral on the off chance that you could have a very bad time.