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[*Splinter]

Swamped what do you think about a Seath lynch?

 

[*Splinter]

I'm set on Kyan and Seath being scum.

I think Dragonz is scum too.

I think Panda is town, but only because of his role. However we kind of know about 3 scum: god, Absorb, Targets. If we find the fourth scum member that would clear GP in my eyes.

That leaves Swamped/Zeke. I trusted Zeke yesterday but have had trouble with him all game, and there are definitely points against him. Also Swamped I kind of assumed was scum once Ocean flipped, but there's not a whole lot to support it. I'll try to look at these two in more detail later.

1 point I'll make in Swamped's defense is Gorlak's death. We lost Danganronpa because we didn't (couldn't) kill the confirmed townies fast enough, and I highly doubt she'd make the same mistake again.

That reminds me, I never figured out why Gorlak was killed, will try to look into his last day if I get time.

 

[*Splinter]

Does anyone have a handy summary of the words for spells? Who claimed them and when?

 

[*Splinter]

I should read previous days more often.

Scum team: Seath, Kyanrute, Dragonz, Zeke

SickReads™

 

[*Splinter]

Panda I need an explanation of why you thought Gorlak was scummy on day 3.

 

[Kevyt]

I should read previous days more often.

Scum team: Seath, Kyanrute, Dragonz, Zeke

SickReads™

Very good! Amazing reads!

Best town MVP

 

[*Splinter]

Very good! Amazing reads!

Best town MVP

 

[Kyanrute]

yes splinter is truly amazing wow such detective much skill

 

[Giant Panda]

Panda I need an explanation of why you thought Gorlak was scummy on day 3.

Gorlak immediately assuming that his vig shot was redirected, and his generally erratic behavior. However, from what I recall I ended up deciding he was still town overall.

 

[*Splinter]

Gorlak immediately assuming that his vig shot was redirected, and his generally erratic behavior. However, from what I recall I ended up deciding he was still town overall.

If he really made a vig shot (which we now know he did) then why wouldn't he assume it was redirected?

Can you be more specific on "erratic"? Examples? Don't tell me about his self vote as that came after your post.

 

[Giant Panda]

I'm set on Kyan and Seath being scum.

I think Dragonz is scum too.

I think Panda is town, but only because of his role. However we kind of know about 3 scum: god, Absorb, Targets. If we find the fourth scum member that would clear GP in my eyes.

That leaves Swamped/Zeke. I trusted Zeke yesterday but have had trouble with him all game, and there are definitely points against him. Also Swamped I kind of assumed was scum once Ocean flipped, but there's not a whole lot to support it. I'll try to look at these two in more detail later.

I believe 2 of Zeke, Swamped, and Dragonz have to be scum essentially. I haven't completely decided who is the townie among them.

Also, you bring up a good point on the scum abilities in regards to me. On the night that I told Zipped to view Sophia, Zipped saw 3 scum abilities in Kill, Absorb, and Targets. Assuming 4 scum, one of which is the god that LP has said don't get active night abilities, and no double night ability roles, then I can't be scum because that would make for 4 scum with active night abilities.

 

[*Splinter]

I believe 2 of Zeke, Swamped, and Dragonz have to be scum essentially. I haven't completely decided who is the townie among them.

Also, you bring up a good point on the scum abilities in regards to me. On the night that I told Zipped to view Sophia, Zipped saw 3 scum abilities in Kill, Absorb, and Targets. Assuming 4 scum, one of which is the god that LP has said don't get active night abilities, and no double night ability roles, then I can't be scum because that would make for 4 scum with active night abilities.

Yeah I'm not ruling you out that easily

 

[Kevyt]

yes splinter is truly amazing wow such detective much skill

Ikr!

He got us!!

Except for the fact that Dragonz is voting for me, and that I think you're scum.

But you know... The three of us are scum!

Because fudge logic. ;-;

 

[Kyanrute]

Ikr!

He got us!!

Except for the fact that Dragonz is voting for me, and that I think you're scum.

But you know... The three of us are scum!

Because fudge logic. ;-;

 

[*Splinter]

Ikr!

He got us!!

Except for the fact that Dragonz is voting for me, and that I think you're scum.

But you know... The three of us are scum!

Because fudge logic. ;-;

Damn you're right. Ok scrap those 3 it's just Zeke

 

[Sophia]

Vote: Seath

Good morning.

 

[*Splinter]

Can we do Kyan first? I really want to see a flip to help decide on GP.

Only downside is it looked like scum wanted Kyan to go first.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Thought we went over this ystrday?

 

[*Splinter]

Thought we went over this ystrday?

Over Seath? We did. I countered your arguments, you failed to counter mine

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Reasons for lynching Seath:

• Confirms or deconfirms he's a God
• Prevents anyone else, such as Kyanrute, from playing the same way as him because they think we won't lynch him.
• He's already lied about his role twice and refuses to roleclaim despite hinting at a role he's unlikely to achieve now that he's hinted at it.
• We should have done it on Day 3 anyhow instead of letting him dance around the issue and mock us.
• If he's un-lynchable, it confirms nobody else is a God.

Reason against lynching Seath:

• He might be un-lynchable.
• He might be a townie.

Got any other reasons beyond those two that we shouldn't lynch him? Do you believe Seath is a townie? Anyone else believe he's a townie?

,

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Did u bet on kyan? lol

 

[*Splinter]

That's the start of the conversation, do we really have to repeat the whole thing.
I refuted each of those points as either illogical or not a benefit.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

That's the start of the conversation, do we really have to repeat the whole thing.
I refuted each of those points as either illogical or not a benefit.

I'm not gonna waste time goin back over it either, w/e.

 

[Giant Panda]

Yeah I'm not ruling you out that easily

Ok. But there's a reason I'm #6 on your scum list just like you're #6 on mine.

 

[Sophia]

Can we do Kyan first? I really want to see a flip to help decide on GP.

Only downside is it looked like scum wanted Kyan to go first.

I'd like to see a Seath lynch first. Can you explain how a Kyan lynch would help decide on GP?

 

[*Splinter]

I'd like to see a Seath lynch first. Can you explain how a Kyan lynch would help decide on GP?

We are more likely to get a scum flip.

A scum flip could tell us if a single player can KILL and use their own ability or not. If not I think this confirms GP as town (by the argument he tried to use recently).

 

[EzekelRAGE]

We are more likely to get a scum flip.

A scum flip could tell us if a single player can KILL and use their own ability or not. If not I think this confirms GP as town (by the argument he tried to use recently).

Seath flip would also confirm or deny Kyan's reason for acting weird wn Seath lynch was going thru.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Splinter, who did you bet on?

 

[Sophia]

Splinter, who did you bet on?

Are you sure that's a good idea to ask people that? Scum might want that info to assist in their night kill. :\

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

I just got home but I'll catch up after sleep

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Are you sure that's a good idea to ask people that? Scum might want that info to assist in their night kill. :\

Figured he really wanted the Kyan lynch because he bet on him. Also, any scum flip we get wouldnt help with GP and his obedience command. It's already been established that it doesnt act like regular active abilities. It didn't show up in Zipped's view thign and it bypassed the LR.

Sidenote about rewards for 2mrw's discussion: Couldn't we figure out scum based on the reward they got?

 

[Sophia]

Figured he really wanted the Kyan lynch because he bet on him. Also, any scum flip we get wouldnt help with GP and his obedience command. It's already been established that it doesnt act like regular active abilities. It didn't show up in Zipped's view thign and it bypassed the LR.

Sidenote about rewards for 2mrw's discussion: Couldn't we figure out scum based on the reward they got?

This assumes of course we find out the rewards publicly, and they're not already on a Seath lynch to begin with.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

This assumes of course we find out the rewards publicly, and they're not already on a Seath lynch to begin with.

First point is true. Second point, if they are on the Seath lynch, even better. Scum rewards won't be same as townies.

 

[Sophia]

Unvote

Some choice quotes related to Seath and lynching him on Day 3.

Before the role claim:

I'm (as always) undecided on Seath. However I feel like even if we lynch him and he turns out to be scum we'll still be no closer to finding his teammates. That's why I'm not particularly interested in the WIFOM nonsense he's throwing at us now.

After the role claim:

I also can't tell if Seath is telling the truth about being P. Maybe he's actually K. Either way, doesn't affect us mortals much. I believe that Seath is a god though, just from his playstyle throughout the game.

If we believe Seath is a god we can test that claim by lynching him.

If he is a god we know what happens when a god is lynched.
-Does it go to the person with the 2nd most votes?
-Does no one get lynched?
-Does the day just continue?

If he isn't a god then we at least get rid of blarg lite.

I think he is trolling.

I have no qualms being "lynched" today. I like what EzekelRage proposes.

Vote: Seath

Let's go.

What happens if we get guaranteed scum?

Say Kome has an edict that lets a follower of Komena know of a random non Kome follower.

The person claims god.

Do we just let him continue on? Ok.

What if there is another person on the chopping block and they claim god, do we go on to the next in fear of what might happen?

Honestly I don't believe Seath is a god and shouldn't waste a ban on him since he is trolling, but if we do run across someone who claims on the chopping block we can't let this be our response. Then all scum would do it, god or not.

Of course I'm nervous. There aren't any votes on anyone else and I seem to be on the top of everyone's scum list.

And now we're being sidetracked by Seath. We can't afford to waste a lynch on him. I'd rather get scum, and Seath seems to be playing like someone not afraid to be lynched.

If someone claims god when they are on the chopping block we assume they are lying and lynch them. Why overcomplicate it?

It appears to me that I misunderstood you completely. When you spoke of phrases, you meant the fluff on the dreams or anything that was not the command itself. I interpreted the "phrases" as you wanting to confirm the dreamers via outing some phrases of the kill spell. My apologies, it appears that my comment was completely wrong.

I'm do not think that the dreams work as a justification for a lynch, not at all. I instead wanted to bring up the topic because Seath was on my scum list and he had claimed to have received a dream. I asked myself, would the dream alone be enough of a reason to not go for a Seath lynch, whenever it would come. I was feeling that it would not be the case but I wanted to hear if others had different ideas as I was not certain about it.

And now Seath did the thing he did. Thinking.

"Apparent green check", lol why are you continuing trying to throw dirt on a confirmed town? You wanted to hunt scum but instead are spreading FUD about a townie. It would be one thing if a player cleared her. But she was cleared by a god through a edict. What more confirmation could you need?


I was just commenting on us not needing to be afraid of the results of a god lynch.

Seath is full of it and is in full blarg lite mode. He can't even keep his story str8

From his "reveal"






We were ignoring Seath for the most part because of his blarg impression. He claimed recruitment, then did all the vote changing. Still didn't pay him any attn.

Now he claimed a god and we have given him attn he is running with it.

I think we should just let Seath be and find him entertaining or something. He could very well be what he claims to be and in that case, going for a no lynch or whatever it is that happens with a god-lynch is dumdum.

Come on guys. Calling Seath Blarg is doing them both a disfavor. Seath is Seath, his own brand of crazy. And like I said before, I do believe Seath is a God, but I'm not sure which one, and at this point it really doesn't matter to town. We need to get followers of Periscope (good one!), and Seath claims to be neutral. Seath claimed god when there weren't really any votes on him, and he has voted for himself multiple times today too.

I really, really, doubt that Seath is a god mainly because of the fact that nobody has claimed it on day 1 for either side. So I thoroughly believe there is a reason that it hasn't been done because being lynch/night target proof doesn't seem to be enough protection. Although, we are getting into some serious wine territory because he might just be doing this because we wouldn't lynch some so erratic and weird. Main issue is his antics hasn't exactly helped town in any way if he is town.

Question do we know what happens when someone targets a god at night? I can't remember if we got anything solid on it.

TLDR Version

• Splinter was undecided on Seath before he claimed Godhood.
• EzekelRAGE wanted to test Seath's Godhood, but according to the vote tool did not actually vote for it.
• Kyanrute wanted to let Seath be.
• As far as I can tell, Swamped believed Seath was a God, and was more interested in lynching scum.
• OceanicAir, whom we now know is town, doubted Seath's Godhood.

Hmm.... Ezekel, why didn't you vote for Seath on Day 3 if you wanted to test his Godhood?

 

[Swamped]

Swamped what do you think about a Seath lynch?

I am for a Seath lynch as I have said multiple times. But there is something I wanted to go through. This is a list of players and their stance on Seath.

1. [m] Lone_Prodigy - dunno
4. [m] EzekelRAGE - wants to lynch Seath
7. [m] Giant Panda - is ok with Seath, would rather others
9. [f] Sophia - wants to lynch Seath
14. [m] Kyanrute - He voted for Seath so I'm guessing he wants to lynch him
15. [f] WhereAreMahDragonz - wants to lynch Seath
16. [-] Seath - he has voted for himself...
17- [m] Blargonaut (replaced fengshuifever) - dunno
18. [m] *Splinter - would rather lynch someone else, but believes Seath is scum

Everyone more or less agrees that Seath is scum. This means that scum is bussing him. They must have a plan. If Seath is a god they are forcing us into Lylo. But then our next step is obvious - vote Kyan. That puts us in mylo the next day.

We need to think ahead. Just because we hit scum today doesn't mean we will have won. We will be in mylo the next day phase too. We need to use the time we have to get more sound reads on all the players.

Seath currently has 7 votes. 9 is majority....

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Hmm.... Ezekel, why didn't you vote for Seath on Day 3 if you wanted to test his Godhood?

Was focused on Gorlak until the Splinter situation. Also wanted to throw it out there for discussion. iirc, no one wanted to do it. Which is why I stated we can't be afraid to lynch someone because they claim godhood. Blarg was trying to make that point.

There is also the fact that there mightve been another way to check Seath with Zipped. Which is the last quote of mine that you have is referring to. This is my post after that last quote:

If Zipped is up for it, he could try and target Seath. If the action fails, I'm 99% sure he would have to be a god. I can understand if he doesn't want to though, because there could be a worse thing happening than his action failing.

 

[Sophia]

You did rule out your suggestion immediately afterwords tho because of the ninja command... your final vote that day was on Splinter too over the ignore issue that popped up that day.

Hmm....

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Unvote

I wanna reread firsf

 

[Sophia]

I find it odd that you were the one who pushed for the testing of Seath that day, yet you didn't try to convince me to move my vote later on. Hmm...

 

[Giant Panda]

If he really made a vig shot (which we now know he did) then why wouldn't he assume it was redirected?

Can you be more specific on "erratic"? Examples? Don't tell me about his self vote as that came after your post.

I had to reread some of Day 3 to jog my memory. I may have been under the impression that it was Gorlak that brought up his vig being specifically re-targeted to Crimson, when it was actually LP that did so.

As for the erratic part, see his post that I've quoted, along with his scum reads of Sophia.

What motive did Gorlak have for telling us about his supposed vigilante ability if he's scum and he was going to kill someone? He wouldn't even have been under suspicion if he hadn't brought it up himself. He created cover for himself in case someone was watching him or his target I guess. It still seems like it would have been safer to just not mention a vig kill if he were scum.

If Gorlak is telling the truth, we have to consider the possibility that Lone_prodigy was in fact targeted, but that he survived due to being bulletproof or a god.

I'll admit that Gorlak instantly assuming his kill was redirected was odd, but the safer move if Gorlak was scum was to not even say he attempted to vig kill. He'd be unnecessarily painting a target on his back. Like what is the hypothetical situation are you thinking here if Gorlak is scum? He or someone else on his team has a limited use extra kill? And Gorlak thought claiming indirect responsibility for killing a town power role was a good way to continue to appear town?

I wanted to swing the game and kill off scum. I wanted to make the world a bit better. I wanted to save town. I wanted to be the glorious knight in a shining armour.

I failed. I doomed us. I crippled town. Unknowingly I became a monster.

 

[Sophia]

I had to reread some of Day 3 to jog my memory. I may have been under the impression that it was Gorlak that brought up his vig being specifically re-targeted to Crimson, when it was actually LP that did so.

As for the erratic part, see his post that I've quoted, along with his scum reads of Sophia.

To be fair to Gorlak he a) had legitimate reasons for scum reading me after the Day 2 unvote and b) largely dropped the scum reads once Zipped confirmed me as town.

 

[Swamped]

VOTE: EzekelRAGE

I don't like playing into scums' hands. Let's see what scum does with this...

 

[Giant Panda]

To be fair to Gorlak he a) had legitimate reasons for scum reading me after the Day 2 unvote and b) largely dropped the scum reads once Zipped confirmed me as town.

I guess. Looking back there was also a silly argument over the lightning rod.

Splinter, do you have point to these questions on Gorlak?

 

[Giant Panda]

I am for a Seath lynch as I have said multiple times.

VOTE: EzekelRAGE

I don't like playing into scums' hands. Let's see what scum does with this...

What changed you mind between these posts?

 

[EzekelRAGE]

VOTE: EzekelRAGE

I don't like playing into scums' hands. Let's see what scum does with this...

How about addressing ANY of the issues I responded to you with?

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I find it odd that you were the one who pushed for the testing of Seath that day, yet you didn't try to convince me to move my vote later on. Hmm...

I don't understand what you mean with this post. Are you talkin about the Splinter vote?

 

[Sophia]

I don't understand what you mean with this post. Are you talkin about the Splinter vote?

When I voted for Seath, you didn't try to make any argument towards me to a different vote despite the fact that I voted precisely because of this post. If you weren't for a Seath lynch that day despite saying we should test it... that seems like a natural thing to do.

 

[*Splinter]

I bet on Seath.

I don't think it's the right vote, but I think it's the vote we are going to make.


And this reminds me that we haven't had a mass claim yet. Everyone except for Sophia/LP/Blarg needs to state their bet and their role (if you didn't already).

Soph/LP/Blarg, no need to state your bets, I'd rather you didnt

 

[Kyanrute]

I bet on Seath.

I don't think it's the right vote, but I think it's the vote we are going to make.


And this reminds me that we haven't had a mass claim yet. Everyone except for Sophia/LP/Blarg needs to state their bet and their role (if you didn't already).

Soph/LP/Blarg, no need to state your bets, I'd rather you didnt

im ordinary town

 

[EzekelRAGE]

When I voted for Seath, you didn't try to make any argument towards me to a different vote despite the fact that I voted precisely because of this post. If you weren't for a Seath lynch that day despite saying we should test it... that seems like a natural thing to do.

That post was hypothetical situation. Had nothing to do with Seath. Notice how I said if we had guranteed scum? Also, look at the last line.

Honestly I don't believe Seath is a god and shouldn't waste a ban on him since he is trolling, but if we do run across someone who claims on the chopping block we can't let this be our response. Then all scum would do it, god or not.

Same point blarg was getting at.

hey scum

All of you, claim to be gods

Even the implication makes you invincible

nothing to lose

At the time, I didn't think of the angle of Seath doing that to draw out the real Kome or anything like that. Which is why I tried to push a Seath lynch DAY 4. It made sense AND we knew there what would happen if we did lynch a god.