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Colin Moriarty of Kinda Funny: source says "most developers are not happy with PS4.5"
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RedAssedApe
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I doubt they'll get booed, since E3 is mostly "gaming journalists".
At worst this will happen:
That went well...the last time a game company tried to explain a complicated system.
[disclosure: I was/am a fan of both MS DRM and Sony PS4K]
Oh my fucking god this who runs that account is a genius pure genius.
it's not just the extra work stuff. ps4 is in very good shape now which is something developers depend on to sell their games. messing with the business model by introducing new hardware is a gamble that might(and hopefully will) backfire.
I just don't see any sense in doing this now. I think the idea of iterative consoles is horrible on every level but if you are going to do it anyway then introduce the concept with a new gen and be honest about it upfront. it just seems stupid to risk momentum at this point when things are already going so well.
some people have brought up that it's a strategy to push 4k tv/bluray but that just seems backwards. how big of a market share will sony realistically have on 4k tvs and does anyone think 4k blurays will be a big thing? I don't think I know a single person who actually cares about bluray. for most people once they start using streaming services, going back to discs is not an appealing idea.
I just don't see any sense in doing this now. I think the idea of iterative consoles is horrible on every level but if you are going to do it anyway then introduce the concept with a new gen and be honest about it upfront. it just seems stupid to risk momentum at this point when things are already going so well.
some people have brought up that it's a strategy to push 4k tv/bluray but that just seems backwards. how big of a market share will sony realistically have on 4k tvs and does anyone think 4k blurays will be a big thing? I don't think I know a single person who actually cares about bluray. for most people once they start using streaming services, going back to discs is not an appealing idea.
DrROBschiz
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I think some people are on the right track with regards to "processing of games, certification, and other dealings with Sony"
How does the PC market differ in this regard? It might be the bottleneck that his sources are whining about
MisterR
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The FUD continues to fly. Devs will adapt fine. This is no different from different PC settings. The shit show reaction about this whole thing has been amazing. Some pro tips. Your PS4 will still work. It will still play all the games coming out. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy a Neo.
EatinOlives
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You realize PC ports don't make themselves, right? We already have several studios outsourcing their PC port because they don't have the time/resources to devote to a third platform (to various degrees of success). For Dragon's Dogma the port came so late because 1) again, it's not trivial, and 2) it's so much work that Capcom couldn't decide if making a PC port would've been worth it.
The idea that this is super easy "because PC ports" is really undervaluing how much time and effort is required to even make a PC port.
I think some are in jest but many in this thread really believe Sony are "shitting" on them. Honestly if you don't want this then continue to keep playing your ps4's as is. Simple.
OrbitalBeard
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Then....don't.
SpideySenses
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I wonder if Colin's sources are first party, I feel like there's going to be some third party devs who see it as just another SKU but with people who are trying to push the hardware to the limit, I can understand it being a huge issue.
SolidSnakex
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Good to hear and hopefully developers and gamers start to become much more vocal about it. Sony needs to just write this thing off with any losses. It shouldn't make it to market.
i guess so. worst case scenario is that there's a push for the Neo to be the "main" platform, so games will run shitty on PS4. that's what could happen.
BibiMaghoo
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Good, I hope they scrap it.
Clockwork5
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But I don't want one!!!
Add to that two versions of PS4, X1 maybe X1.5 and NX. Can you see now what could be an issue? Somewhere something or somebody will suffer in this process.
Yeah I think the issues are more with QA and cert, not with implementing higher settings. Hopefully Sony continues to work with devs to make that as smooth as possible.
DeepEnigma
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Bingo!
NHarmonic.
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bad analogy, try again.
Love him too. Huge fan. Sadly though...I agree with you here. I think it's an overreaction, not just by him, but by many.
I'm pretty sure when the topic of an expandable Xbox 1.5 came up on the Gamecast, he even said he thought it was a good idea.
I'd be curious to hear him discuss why he feels hardware expansion through expandable options would be ok, but releasing an updated console isn't.
Could just be about the optics of it all. Perhaps PS4 owners wouldn't feel so shafted if they could buy a $50 "expansion pak" rather than having to sell their main console to buy an updated version?
Me personally though, I'm excited about it. Hope they follow through and don't let the backlash prevent them from releasing it.
The Baron Count
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And unfortunately no matter how many devs or people experienced with coding say this, there will continue to be people on this and other sites who "disagree" despite not knowing what they are talking about. This behavior is unreal.
These PC comparisons are pointless. Getting the game to run on the new system is not the issue. Giving both versions the same attention and care is potentially a big one however.
PC games accommodate a wide variety of hardware configurations, and they also tend to not be as optimized for almost any of them as a console game is for it's set of specs. Coding for consoles can very often require a very different strategy than coding for PC and there were plenty of devs that spoke about this when they first started embracing consoles last gen.
The point isn't that it's super difficult. The point is that it does require significantly more time and resources if you want both versions to be as polished as they can be. And in an industry where games cost insane amounts of both of these things as it is, it should be very easily understood why developers would have an issue with this. If you don't get this then you probably don't want to.
This would probably not be as big a deal to them if they were getting any benefit from it, but I would imagine most devs don't see the benefits outweighing the cons for them.
These PC comparisons are pointless. Getting the game to run on the new system is not the issue. Giving both versions the same attention and care is potentially a big one however.
PC games accommodate a wide variety of hardware configurations, and they also tend to not be as optimized for almost any of them as a console game is for it's set of specs. Coding for consoles can very often require a very different strategy than coding for PC and there were plenty of devs that spoke about this when they first started embracing consoles last gen.
The point isn't that it's super difficult. The point is that it does require significantly more time and resources if you want both versions to be as polished as they can be. And in an industry where games cost insane amounts of both of these things as it is, it should be very easily understood why developers would have an issue with this. If you don't get this then you probably don't want to.
This would probably not be as big a deal to them if they were getting any benefit from it, but I would imagine most devs don't see the benefits outweighing the cons for them.
Darryl M R
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Colin has strong ties with Sony's first party studios so I would assume that the person is speaking on behalf of first party devs.
I expect third party devs just not to care as well.
OrbitalBeard
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Audioboxer
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Why not try it and see how the market reacts? We've had the same 5~7 year console cycles for a while now with no shakeups. If it totally fails, we'll just go back to that... I guess?
Wait Colin only spoke to one developer?
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Well, thank you for that. Doesn't change the fact that he tweeted this, and thus believes what his source told him, and that spilling bullshit in such a position would have negative impacts on his podcast i'd guess.
DeepEnigma
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His stance was that of the Ice Cream pic, every time I heard it. Was the whole, "early adopters feels tho", as they are surrounded by upgradable tech on their show.
And I agree with just about everything he usually has to say in gaming, except this, well at least his main counterargument on it.
But wouldn't the added specs help push 4k streaming services..... why buy a uhd player for 400 when i can get a ps4k for the same price with netflix 4k sonys 4k service and ps vue and ps now on top of it... with slightly enhanced graphics
Interfectum
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He spoke to a "trusted source" that apparently has communication with most or all other developers.
My point is I don't want to have an inferior machine, that's not why I game on consoles.
OrbitalBeard
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It's so silly, because early adopters are the ones most likely to be in line for this thing at launch.
I'm sure someone's already said it but I wonder if the overwhelming majority of Neo-fied games will be from first/"second" party devs. If so, I can see some devs being a little peeved. Hmm, lots of variables.
Anyway, that's on the assumption that there's mileage in this tweet/rumour.
Anyway, that's on the assumption that there's mileage in this tweet/rumour.
Movalpolos
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Colin needs to elaborate.
This "most developers" line sounds a lot like the bullshit Fox News tries to pass off as non-sourced material when they start a line with "most people" or "people say".
I understand he says "trusted source", but that source needs to be revealed before we can give this tweet any credit. "Most developers" is such a fucking nebulous thing.
This "most developers" line sounds a lot like the bullshit Fox News tries to pass off as non-sourced material when they start a line with "most people" or "people say".
I understand he says "trusted source", but that source needs to be revealed before we can give this tweet any credit. "Most developers" is such a fucking nebulous thing.
But you don't have to buy a new console. You can use the ps4 you have just fine.
DeepEnigma
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Man, that is a lot to keep track of for one person, lol.
Precisely, lol.
He did make an argument about one who just got one a couple of months ago... yet... people do that, just before the next iterations of consoles happen all the time as well.
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Especially since every dev I've seen on GAF posting about it is mostly OK with the idea.
But you already have an inferior machine. You're playing on a console and not a PC.
And this isn't a slam on consoles. I'm a console gamer.
The only issue console gamers can complain is if we get games that are made for PS4K and are poor on PS4. If it's 20 fps with muddy textures on PS4 but the PS4K version is locked 30 and beautiful, then yeah, we have a problem.
Abinash117
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Shinobi said something similar that most devs he talked to didn't like the idea about upgrades, but is was before the GB leak . http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=200502160&postcount=18
qa_engineer
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One person spoke to "most devs" and they all said they hate it. Sure they did, Colin's source.
Resident_UA
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Why is it bad for consumers? It's not like anybody is forcing people to buy it.
Willy Wanka
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As I said in the other thread, based on what we know at the moment, I think most developers will do the very bare minimum when it comes to PS4K upgrades.
darkside31337
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... or maybe they asked and found there was enough interest from them in continuing this route and Colin is trying to spin his own opinion into something more?