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Colin Moriarty of Kinda Funny: source says "most developers are not happy with PS4.5"
- Thread starter Chobel
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do you have to play the best version? Like, is it a compulsion?
We all know that the big guys get a pass and I think they will be fine with this extra platform. It's the mid-size studios and publishers that this will hurt the most.
Scrotum Phillips
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I know Colin is basically rambling on this podcast, but he's furious that they're going this route instead of releasing a PS5 in 2018. Like, wouldn't that be worse for everyone? A relatively short console lifespan, dev's would have to start on a brand new system architecture, also would probably have to support PS4 OG games for a while...I can see that being way worse.
These systems are underpowered. We can either bitch about it until 2018-2020ish, or we can have an OPTION to play our games better soon without overhauling games currently in development/the player fanbase. Buy it if it is worth it to you.
These systems are underpowered. We can either bitch about it until 2018-2020ish, or we can have an OPTION to play our games better soon without overhauling games currently in development/the player fanbase. Buy it if it is worth it to you.
DeepEnigma
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Hahaha... I am so getting into some Ben and Jerry's Chunky Monkey when I get home (Dairy Free).
Audioboxer
Member
Can I use 4K media right now? No? There is a benefit.
The gaming side of things, benefit if you want better performance (especially in VR). Don't care? Stick to PS4. Do some people care? They're saying they do on GAF if it means sketchy 30FPS titles get locked, and some locked 30FPS titles go up to 60FPS. Benefits to some then surely?
Or can we just lump everyone into the category you feel you align with?
LyleLanley
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Will they actually get more sales? Presumably the people buying the game would've bought the regular PS4 version anyways if there wasn't a 4.5. Unless the 4.5 leads to more Playstation sales across the board but it seems like it's selling pretty well as is.
Resident_UA
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How?! They don't have to build NEO version of the game. Just submit the same as original one.
The alternative is that this "best version" doesn't exist. I'm not convinced that a better version not existing is preferable.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
This doesn't necessarily translate into a sizeable amount of new sales/bigger audience, especially if most of the people buying them are people who already own a PS4 and will trade them in. Those people won't be buying two copies of the same game.
Now, combine this with a massive pricedrop on the OG PS4, and things change.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
And as other's have said, probably a waste of money to include a UHD drive that will only play movies in already expensive dev kits, when they are to make games on the standard drive at the moment.
But I agree, because it would be asinine for them to make a '4K' box, to push 4K, yet not have a UHD drive in it.
Edit: The drives are probably not ready for the time of the dev kits as well, but will be for the consumer model.
Spoiler: You're already playing the inferior version.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
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I'm no developer just a dumb early adopting consumer and im not happy with it neither.
Mr. Giggles
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Audioboxer
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Why would you be dumb if you've had 3 years of enjoyment so far out of your PS4? Haven't had any enjoyment? Then why still own it? Point being people usually buy things they're going to use, and not leave sitting for years. Every time you use your PS4 and play or watch something, surely that is the investment return on your purchase? Meaning enjoyment.
You already know the answer.
Resident_UA
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Yes, but NEO mode can be same as PS4 mode. If current PS4 games run on PS4K then any game developed on PS4 will run on NEO. Not a real problem.
According to Giant Bomb's article they do "Starting in October, every PS4 game is required to ship with both a Base Mode which will run on the currently available PS4 and a NEO Mode for use on the new console."
http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/sources-the-upgraded-playstation-4-is-codenamed-ne/1100-5437/
EASTC0AST_GH05T
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I do I mean if I didn't I wouldn't early adopt or choose the PS4 over Xbox One for multiplats and would be fine playing the multiplats available on PS3 and 360 if I didn't care about playing the best console version of games.
LyleLanley
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It makes a lot of sense for Sony and Microsoft to move to something closer to an iPhone model of hardware sales. They can continually sell new consumers full priced hardware that's marketed as the new hot thing instead of waiting 5 years before they can sell another $400 box again.
PS2 was the last console Sony released five years after its predecessor. But even fall 2019 for a PS5 makes this thing releasing early next year completely batshit. They have not even seen how the market will react to the OTHER new piece of hardware they are introducing mid cycle. This is a bizzare lack of focus for a company that has been nailing it at every turn for the past three years.
Resident_UA
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Why would they have to be different?
DeepEnigma
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Yeah, they are not mandating 'bells and whistles', they are just telling them it has to run on both... which both can either be the same, or "Neo Mode" can take advantage of some of the framerate/effects headroom they would trim down on the PS4 version.
How can Sony mandate an artistic vision?
I think people are interpreting their own FUD narrative.
"Base Mode" and "Neo Mode" just means, "The Game Needs to Run on Both Machines With the Same Disc, Not One or the Other" (with the option to have more sauce in Neo)... it does not mean, "You Better Add Higher Res Textures/Shadows/etc. on Neo Mode"... that would be silly, lol.
If I bought a NEO, and there is a game with a NEO version vs a game without a NEO version, I think I'd get the game with the NEO version.
Mr. Giggles
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In my case, I bought it a pair of months ago. And many of the exclusive titles are not released yet but then, we have now leaks of a new model of PS4.
I feel pretty dumb.
Pop
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3 years have passed bro
VR devs I could see yeah. Other devs, I guess it depends on how much of a hassle coding to the metal for both is.
We won't know if this will lead to more sales, it could just be cannibalizing the PS4 sales instead.
Bots are better than you
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Consoles have been "underpowered" since eternity dude ... and suddenly that is a problem? Again and again and again, if you're keen on having the best graphics and most impressive physics, get a PC. Then you don't have the console games, sucks, but at least you have what you want on the technical side.
For all those not into this constant hardware updating, there are consoles, which offer(ed) the advantage of identical game performance for all consumers.
nobody is sure about anything, all of this is speculation
What a load on nonsense. See all the other threads. A lot of gamers are happy.
Well, unless every developer is going to go back and port every single PS4 release since launch to be compatible with the Neo, I'm going to go ahead and assume that the Neo will have no issue running games made solely for the PS4.
And I'm not sure that Sony will be able to get a PS4K devkit out to every single PS4 developer before launch. Especially indies.
Kralamoonard
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Is there any guarantee every publisher will do this? I mean it's all conjecture for now (and pretty much has been for the last two months lol), but history has shown, sometimes, publishers can be inconsiderate of developer workload and flow (e.g. As the latest Jimquisition points out in one aspect of development - crunch).
I know my post may leap some logic but I hope you can see what I'm trying to say. Is there any guarantee that publishers will give developers, not only the extra QA time, but resources like you say considering this gen hasn't been all that reliable for stable games, and that was for only one PS4!
Crimson_Gold
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The FCC listing indicates a when, not an if. We are in for a wild ride my friend
thenewjeva
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Worst case scenario, they can just develop for the regular PS4, which is what I'm expecting to happen. Most likely these mid-gen consoles are going to be another New 3DS scenario where the extra power will only be used if they can't get the game to work without it.
You don't have to. The PS4 has been out matched by the PC all the time outside of exclusive games, yet many don't run out and buy one; they are happy with the machine they have that provides a great experience - or as you might say "best console experience". A new console comes out, and is better than it - do you suddenly throw the old one away? This is what is looking like will happen with NX. The only real issue here seems to be it's a PS, and you already have one that will soon be not as powerful as the new one. So what? If your experience suddenly gets awful and is less than it currently is - then I think you have a right to complain about not getting what you expect from what you bought, otherwise I don't think so. There was never a guarantee that nothing more powerful would arrive.
A bit confused can someone answer me this...
The Digital Foundry article says dev kits are on the way.
Colin's source says " most developers" are not happy as if they already have worked with "Base/Neo Mode". Is this in reference to already having dev kits and running into more work or is this in anticipation of this recent news and being concerned that it will be more work?
The Digital Foundry article says dev kits are on the way.
Colin's source says " most developers" are not happy as if they already have worked with "Base/Neo Mode". Is this in reference to already having dev kits and running into more work or is this in anticipation of this recent news and being concerned that it will be more work?
CosmicQueso
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Granted, but aren't you assuming that this results in no meaningful incremental growth to the total household installed base? Could be, may not be. Impossible to say right now.
In any case, was answering the question as to why a dev would be happy with this. I was giving an answer as to why a dev would be happy with this.
No one knows what the actual results will be.
Resident_UA
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If I'm wrong that means that Sony is REQUIRING that there would be a visually better version of the game. So far I haven't seen any indication that this could be the case. I think that's crazy. If that happens I would agree that it could be a problem.
Darryl M R
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You bought your PS4 for games that weren't released? You took a risk. It is your fault? I bought my PS4 at launch for the launch games that I could play when it was delivered and future games. But not just for future games. I wouldn't buy a PC now because of Star Citizen, I would wait until it get released until I buy a PC.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
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Eolz
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Is that the new lazy devs thread?
It certainly wouldn't be worse and nobody is going for complicated architectures anymore.
What would be worse is a long generation like the previous one. Whatever happens, crossgen will stay there as well, for better and for worse.
It certainly wouldn't be worse and nobody is going for complicated architectures anymore.
What would be worse is a long generation like the previous one. Whatever happens, crossgen will stay there as well, for better and for worse.
Audioboxer
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It's going to cost more than you laid out, and while you may have gotten a standard PS4 cheaper in 6 months than what you paid that happens with all technology.
If the price difference isn't an issue for you and you would have spent more to get a PS4k, I guess best option is to box it up now and sell it. If you are currently enjoying it and playing stuff then again that's your investment paying off. Unlike the N3DS that got exclusive games this doesn't look to do that. So games will perform the same as they were always going to on a standard PS4. Putting aside fear mongering everything is going to be nerfed and our current consistent experience of 900/1080 30FPS is going to go to 720/15 FPS as of October.
I understand your angst a little more, but we are a few months from E3 and this has been rumoured for at least the last 6 months. Something was cooking and buying a few months before a major trade show is always a risk (even if it's just you miss out on a quieter and cooler slim model). It's still a ways off as well.