Some? Sure. A lot? I don't know about that. They're not bad designs, that's not what I'm saying. But calling them creative is pretty inaccurate. I agree that all the Gens are great and have great Pokemon, but there are so many dumbass Genwunners who have to go and ruin everyone's fun. Like, why are you even here if you think Gen 1 is the greatest and can't be topped? Are you hoping for that magical day in your warped mind when GameFreak announces that they're officially retconning any Pokemon past #151?
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Some? Sure. A lot? I don't know about that. They're not bad designs, that's not what I'm saying. But calling them creative is pretty inaccurate. I agree that all the Gens are great and have great Pokemon, but there are so many dumbass Genwunners who have to go and ruin everyone's fun. Like, why are you even here if you think Gen 1 is the greatest and can't be topped? Are you hoping for that magical day in your warped mind when GameFreak announces that they're officially retconning any Pokemon past #151?
Mass Effect
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From Gen 6(?), that's why I've never heard of them. I'm lost on anything after Gen 4.
Though I'm thinking I should get Sun & Moon. It's about time I got back in.
but these are dogs...
Shinx is a lynx, but Luxray is pretty much a lion, so I'll give that one to you.
Aaronrules380
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Entei is definitely not a dog. Legendary dogs was never really an accurate term in the first place, nor was it official
balladofwindfishes
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ArchedThunder
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Fucking Gen wars, every single thread.
This shit is beyond tiring
This shit is beyond tiring
Mr. Pointy
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To be fair, Japanese names for Pokemon don't always match up with what they appear to be constituted from.
Growlithe and Arcanine are based on shisa and/or komainu, which are creatures resembling lions, dogs, and often tigers. Entei is not a dog at all, at least not primarily. All three Legendary beasts resemble the jungle cats: lion (Entei), tiger (Raikou) and cheetah (Suicune). Granted, the fan-term "Legendary Dogs" was weirdly widely- and universally-accepted at the time.
No they aren't. At least entei isn't.
The term legendary dogs is also wrong
They are based on cats - lion (entei), tiger/saber tooth (raikou) and a cheetah (suicune)
Serpens007
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Yeah. Pokemon designs have no limitation. They're what they are, and there are Pokemon for every taste.
If those starters are what's being speculated, I will have a hard time. No reptile starter will be giving me a harder time choosing between a Cat/Tiger and an Owl. I love Cats, but Owls are fucking cool.
ArchedThunder
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They always are.
This was reported debunct by a guy who found no evidence that they were trademarked https://youtu.be/5zdA9RImk_I
Check out his video on the subject
Check out his video on the subject
Aaronrules380
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The new ones, or the legendaries?
Is it really a Gen war if it's "I only like Gen 1" vs "I like the franchise in general"?
The thing with these are is that there is nothing actually linking to Pokémon yet. The others technically don't either, but the names are somewhat obvious.
Back in the run up to Gen 3, we went down this path and we still have over a dozen trademarks of Pokémon that weren't used.
While it's possible, I'm not comfortable posting these ones on the site just yet. I'm not going to jump every time there's a single possible trademark. Especially as there are a number of monster catching games which do similar things with names as Pokémon.
Exterminieren
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That's not what that video says at all.
He's right to point out that it's not an inherent confirmation, but the fact that it wasn't Game Freak's name on the patents means little- there were several Pokémon names trademarked through proxies last generation. In addition, it's not necessary for the names to be trademarked right at the moment where they're used- just because the Sun and Moon logos were trademarked just before the Direct, doesn't mean that the same is necessarily true for Japanese patents of specific names.
They're only iconic because they were first. I've often argued that if Gens 1 & 5 were switched, we'd have the same complaints for Gen 1 that we do for Gen 5
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Oh right I forgot the angel lady stage.
That's probably a reference to how the birds (and similarly later trios) are probably not "on-par" with Mewtwo and Mew.
And as someone mentioned, it's officially Magearna.
Forgetting the "awesome and better" shit, most of them are iconic not because they're better though, but because they came out first.
And using "iconic" itself as a measure of quality is laughable at the same time a terrible way of gauging something, to the point that the person isn't really concerned about the quality of the product.
Or are you going to tell me Mighty Morphin' Power Ranger is better than In Space or RPM?
Arcanine is, but not Entei (shisa but with more of the leonine aspect)
Nocturnowl
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Hey guys, what's going on in here...
BE STILL MY BEATING HEART!
BE STILL MY BEATING HEART!
Never forget Cactowl, he was too good for this pokemon world.
chaobreaker
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Another fire cat? I doubt it.
SomedayTheFire
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it's not like there's that many.
Aye, its best to remain skeptical. For all we know it could be linked to Yokai Watch or something. The names are quite coincidentally acceptable for starter Pokemon, but I will say its odd we're getting another supposed sea lion when we had Samurott, another water starter, 2 gens ago. I may just be desperate for some news, but this day been somewhat hype for me. Maybe deep down Im excited for the fact we'll get something like these.
But yeah, we're better off being wary.
Another? There's Litleo/Pyroar and that's it.
chaobreaker
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But right after we had one last gen? Plus, there's already a ton of cat and lion Pokemon already.
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
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Sun is obviously a Lion and Moon will be whatever. I dunno, but it sounds pretty accurate so far. People have been speculating a lion related legendary for a while.
Copernicus pokemon when?
Newton gravity pokemon too.
The early movies were literally the best thing ever.
Newton gravity pokemon too.
The early movies were literally the best thing ever.
Veritigo_X
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Aren't there already two pokemon that look like the sun and moon? They should just use those.
Both are actually meteorites and neither are Legendaries. Wouldn't make for very good mascots.
A ton of lions? There's Litleo/Pyroar and that's it. The sun legendary being a lion would make a grand total of two families.
There is always at least one regular cat family per generation. Why not make the gen 7 cats a starter?
A lot of people consider Luxray to be a lion.
The first movie is the best because of that line alone.
Well, when we got Chimchar we got another fire monkey straight after with Pansear, and even Darumaka to some extent. The only proper lions are Luxray and Pyroar. Hell, we got Xerneas and Deerling in the same gen, so I don't think having another lion will hurt. It may surprise us and give us a unique typing too. They'll be lots to make it different. Just its lore will be enough to seperate it from Luxray and Pyroar.
And talking about legendaries, remember this image?
Well it seems to fit with the whole Lunaala = Moon and Wing concept. This could possibly be our moon legend like many were speculating even before the name. I know its a rough speculation, but hell, I'll take anything at this point.
MegaMelon
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I wonder if we'll see a proper reveal for the mascots next month. Would make sense as Corocoro was alluding to some new information coming soon.
lol
lol
SomedayTheFire
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Fire/Fairy lion and Dark/Ice Owl would be cool. In fact I'll be disappointed if it's not.
I stupidly actually meant deerling, for some reason I always think its gen 6 haha. Its probably because I used one in X quite a lot. Still, we got it one gen before Xerneas, so the point still stands.
Fairy typing has been associated with the moon, so you're probably headed for disappointment.
chaobreaker
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Shinx line? Entei? Raikou? We've had a couple of them. Don't think we've had a tiger mon though barring the dog-like Growlithe and Arcanine. Tigers are a part of the chinese zodiac that people suspect the fire starters are inspired from.
Isn't Raikou a saber-toothed tiger, not necessarily a lion? Or, at least has elements of one, the stripes, saber teeth... As with pokemon there are multiple avenues of inspiration.
I've never considered any of them lions. Raikou is more of a sabre tooth tiger than a lion.
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