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Ominym

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I can vote for whoever I want. I vote on my gut.

My gut tells me Hillary would be the worst choice for me personally. Get off your smugness. It is not against the law to switch over and vote for the other side. Ideology and policies do not matter to me. Switching from Bernie to Trump is what I want just for the hell of it and fun.

Who are you to say otherwise? Don't like Democarcy? Tough shit. I have as much right to vote as you.

Can you honestly read this to yourself aloud and not think, "wow, I sound rather childish here"?

It's okay to feel how you want to feel, but don't for a second misinterpret people's right to call you out on it when you set the tone in such a petulant manner.
 
Trump needs to flip Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida to get to 270.

Two rust belt states where his message resonates the strongest and a traditional battleground state that Obama won by less than one percent.

Have you looked at the map? He has to win a lot more than that. A democrat could lose all of those and still get to 270
 
Trump needs to flip Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida to get to 270.

Two rust belt states where his message resonates the strongest and a traditional battleground state that Obama won by less than one percent.

He has no minority support.

He cannot win Florida with no hispanic support. It's impossible, it CANNOT happen.

People really need to understand just how bad his approval and GE polling is.
 

Arnie7

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Bush didn't run on a program of "let's invade Iraq".

Just for arguments sake neither did Trump state anywhere say he was going to hurt anyone. People are just projecting their fears onto him. No one can predict future.

Can you honestly read this to yourself aloud and not think, "wow, I sound rather childish here"?

It's okay to feel how you want to feel, but don't for a second misinterpret people's right to call you out on it when you set the tone in such a petulant manner.

When did I ever state people can't call me out? I love debate. The only thing that irritates me is some people's insinuations that people like me shouldn't vote at all just because they don't agree with my stances.
 
And yet, Trump is still polling at historically (and by a large margin) bad numbers for a GE.

It's a slaughter, Trump has no chance, at all, in any capacity unless every person of color and most women just up and died.

You are vastly underestimating herd mentality and "maybe he's not so bad" and "at least he's not [...]".

Polls are polls. Sanders supporters learned that they're not any kind of guarantee just recently.
 

LCGeek

formerly sane
You should feel really proud! I mean, you may have fucked up the country for at least 4 years and maybe even ruined the Supreme Court but you sure showed Hillary!

Right cause it's like I have real political power like people in office. Get real and thanks for the laugh. Not like neocon puppets putting in those people aren't the ones fucking it up but blame a voter with no real power after the fact for what politcians will do regardless of vote for or against them.

yeah, all sixty-five-plus million of us will be alone in victory in six months' time

(much like all eleven-plus million of us are already alone in victory)

Numbers are nice until elections. Two shitty midterms and highly polarized left movement you will be together just no victory unless people vote. This isn't a dream either stats are showing turnout is shit from 2008, yet posts like these are celebrating before the big victory. I saw republicans do this didn't change things for karl rove.
 
Well the system will say it's a wasted vote, but maybe they personally will feel good about it?

Well gee as long as they all feel good.

That'll make the resultant oppression of Black folk, Hispanic folk, Muslim Folk, LGBT folk, women, the poor, other minorities and the decades long conservative swing of the Supreme Court totally worth it.
 
Hahah, I can't wait for hillary supporters to realize they are alone. The delusion of this election besides the republican establishment freaking out about trump is the one hillary supporters have about independents or bernie supporters. Not coming with ya and there's a lot more of us. If turnout is shitty on democratic side and republicans vote enjoy the trump madness.

I don't vote for pandering pro corporate pro israel leaders. Unless trump says he's the anti christ tommorow just stew knowing people like us matter more than anyone on team read or blue this election.

Clinton has more votes than any other candidate and has won 11 out of 16 open or semi-open primaries.
 
Just for arguments sake neither did Trump state anywhere say he was going to hurt anyone. People are just projecting their fears onto him. No one can predict future.
The current Republican party has very much stated they are in favor of policies that would hurt a lot of people. And Trump has said things about kicking out people from the country.

If you can't see that there is clearly a lesser of two evils here if you don't like either Hillary or Trump, then you are just blind.

That is not even getting into the Supreme Court and its impact.

Just voting for the other side because you want to be "contrarian" is some bullshit if that impacts real peoples lives in a negative way.
 

HylianTom

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That is not even getting into the Supreme Court and its impact.

Save your time on that. You'll be ignored in favor of Stuart Smalley-esque discussions about feelings.
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Save your time on that. You'll be ignored in favor of Stuart Smalley-esque discussions about feelings.
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Pretty much. That entitlement/privilege mentality mixed with being nothing but hipsters voting for Bernie because it's the latest fad. Ain't nobody got time for such nonsense.
 
Yeah, as a non-American I don't understand these people at all. Obama just signed on to the Paris climate accords and there are people who want to risk having that repealed or neutered via a Trump/Cruz presidency? Fuck off. We're on the precipice of environmental disaster that has a the capacity to wipe out modern human civilization, and this Paris agreement is basically the last ditch effort to not kill ourselves. Risking that because your preferred candidate did not win is some supremely petty bullshit.

The Paris Accords don't have much visibility in the U.S. Unless you're someone focused on environmental issues, it's most visible among those who listen to conservative media and the message that it will raise costs and kill jobs.
 

LCGeek

formerly sane
Because you and your magic 8 ball predictions have more weight lmao

No 8 ball, you know that from past experience. Insanity and ego are lovely bed fellows when you get them to act right. Besides this isn't a serious political forum nor a real serious topic considering the very person at the core of the topic has caused more problems on this subject than I ever will. Just would be nice on gaf is if some would look at reality instead of thinking this election will be a peachy and easy process. Sanders and his ilk aren't going to playing nice. Normally we laugh at people who are hopeful to expect otherwise yet here we are hoping trolling hipsters and other nasty aspect of his support are gonna come around to reason.

Sorry I can't stay away besides trump alone this process this has been good way to stoke the fires and just smile for a minute.
 

ApharmdX

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http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/22/politics/2016-election-poll-donald-trump-hillary-clinton/

Historically bad.

Nixon at the HEIGHT of watergate was only at 66%.

The counterpoint to that is this- Trump has been in politics for a year, in any defined capacity. Yes, he's been in public life for decades, but he's new to politics. His approval ratings could change. Hillary's are not great either, and hers will be pretty static.

It's still an awful long shot but he could flip Rust Belt states, assuming that liberal demographics aren't enthused about Clinton and don't show up in November. Team Alucard's scenario isn't impossible.

If only we had a young, charismatic Democratic nominee with broad appeal, capable of generating lots of voter enthusiasm? Man, Obama spoiled us for what we'd end up with :\
 

Htown

STOP SHITTING ON MY MOTHER'S HEADSTONE
The only thing that irritates me is some people's insinuations that people like me shouldn't vote at all just because they don't agree with my stances.

Incorrect.

You shouldn't vote because you don't HAVE any stances. You don't give a shit about who you put into office beyond the vague and childish idea of "fuck it, let it all burn, because the SYSTEM, man!"

I honestly would have more respect for a racist or sexist or selfish moron who votes for someone I'd see as a garbage candidate, because he knows exactly why he's voting for the candidate he's voting for and takes it seriously.
 
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/22/politics/2016-election-poll-donald-trump-hillary-clinton/

Historically bad.

Nixon at the HEIGHT of watergate was only at 66%.

Are you trying to make an argument with this article that immediately says "Clinton fares only slightly better with a net negative of -21, registering a 31% favorable rating and a 52% unfavorable rating, according to the poll"?

Trump will probably pivot enough to make him at least somewhat palatable to the Republican base (unless they do something suicidal like deny him nomination), and there's a lot of people that will blindly vote whatever's labeled [R] on the ballot. I'm not saying he'll win, I don't think he will, but I really doubt it'll be the blowout you make it out to be. At best, it'll be incredibly low voter turnouts if many Republicans stay home (because they refuse to say they voted for Clinton).
 

Arnie7

Banned
The only thing that irritates me is some people's insinuations that people like me shouldn't vote at all just because they don't agree with my stances.

Incorrect.

You shouldn't vote because you don't HAVE any stances. You don't give a shit about who you put into office beyond the vague and childish idea of "fuck it, let it all burn, because the SYSTEM, man!"

I honestly would have more respect for a racist or sexist or selfish moron who votes for someone I'd see as a garbage candidate, because he knows exactly why he's voting for the candidate he's voting for and takes it seriously.

Yeah point prove exactly. People like you are anti freedom and anti american. We'd be living in dictatorship if it was up to you then.
 

Skytylz

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Pretty much. That entitlement/privilege mentality mixed with being nothing but hipsters voting for Bernie because it's the latest fad. Ain't nobody got time for such nonsense.

Doing something because it is a fad is basically the complete opposite of what a hipster is.
 
Yeah point prove exactly. People like you are anti freedom and anti american. We'd be living in dictatorship if it was up to you then.
You're trolling right now, aren't you? No way this is for real.

At least you sound like a Trump supporter I guess. Everything I don't agree with is anti-freedom and anti-American, whatever that means.
 

Slayven

Member
Incorrect.

You shouldn't vote because you don't HAVE any stances. You don't give a shit about who you put into office beyond the vague and childish idea of "fuck it, let it all burn, because the SYSTEM, man!"

I honestly would have more respect for a racist or sexist or selfish moron who votes for someone I'd see as a garbage candidate, because he knows exactly why he's voting for the candidate he's voting for and takes it seriously.

Damn, Htown with the truth bomb, he put that repeck on it
 

damisa

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Being against free trade is right-wing? In my country, it's only the left-sided parties who are against free trade.

Im against free trade and Im a socialdemocrat (moderate socialist).

Being against free trade is not a right wing or left wing issue, it's just being stupid. 95% of economists agree that free trade is a net positive for everyone involved
 

Kangi

Member
Meanwhile.

Benchmark Politics ‏@benchmarkpol 4h4 hours ago
If you took the average of every Trump v Clinton poll in the last 45 days, this is the electoral map.

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Don't worry, though. More white people going to Trump because Bernie lost will have Hillary quaking in her boots!

(Hint: Trump is going to get BURIED by minorities. Romney couldn't win off of just white people, and Trump won't either.)
 
Of course.

Here's Obama's 2012



and here's 2016 if Trump flips Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania while retaining Romney's states.

It's one thing to draw a map that flips a couple of states. It's another thing for Trump to pull it off given his terrible standing with women and minorities. It's not 1980 any more; you can't win with just white males.
 

Divvy

Canadians burned my passport
The Paris Accords don't have much visibility in the U.S. Unless you're someone focused on environmental issues, it's most visible among those who listen to conservative media and the message that it will raise costs and kill jobs.

Yeah, which is freaking scary.
 

Arnie7

Banned
You're trolling right now, aren't you? No way this is for real.

At least you sound like a Trump supporter I guess. Everything I don't agree with is anti-freedom and anti-American, whatever that means.

Okay. Cool. If you're fine with some posters telling others not to vote and they don't deserve to just because they don't agree with your views then I don't know what to say.
 
Meanwhile.



Don't worry, though. More white people going to Trump because Bernie lost will have Hillary quaking in her boots!

(Hint: Trump is going to get BURIED by minorities. Romney couldn't win off of just white people, and Trump won't either.)

Like I said, a skullfucking of epic proportions.

He. Has. No. Chance.

People need to stop worrying.
 

Nipo

Member
Being against free trade is not a right wing or left wing issue, it's just being stupid. 95% of economists agree that free trade is a net positive for everyone involved

Maybe globally. People vote locally though and free trade kills entire communities.
 
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