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Games do really need a Pause mode.
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brickwalker0
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would there honestly be that much of an outcry from players if the game offered an offline-only pause that blacks out the screen to give no advantage?
Game is built around being played always online. Offline mode is an afterthought.
Whiteblade999
Member
You can pause the souls games by just quitting to the menu.
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Deleted member 752119
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They could just make it available only in offline mode and when not in combat/no enemies aggroed.
but if you're not in combat or if there are no enemies aggroed then you don't have to pause. You can get up leave for an hour and come back and the game will be right where it was.
There's been 5 games and it's really a non situation. I've had terrible moments where I was in a middle of a boss fight and I had an emergency in real life. I just took the loss and tried again later. At this point it's the nature of the Souls games.
My biggest complaint are cutscenes you can't pause or skip.
Joseph Merrick
Member
yep. it's the exact same as a pause. your location and progress in the world is saved.
brickwalker0
Member
yeah thats how ive had to deal with it, just sucks having to wait through the loading screens.
One day this will be common knowledge. Today is not that day.
Iva Demilcol
Member
It would be a real concern if people can abuse a function that wasn't intended. People have done it dozens of times. Let's not forget the glitch that allowed you to replicate items in DS one, for example. Even with a "minor" thing like pausing to regain your composure, If a dev doesn't want to give you that, they may remove the option to do it entirely. That's what happened with DS. Those games are so carefully crafted that I'm kind of surprised to see people hadn't thought about devs having this conversation regarding how a typical player can use the pause function as a resource rather than just a function.
Happy side effect or not, a pause function can be used for the purpose I stated above. I've used it a lot of times while playing action games. It's another resource for the user so I find very logical that a game developer doesn't want to add it to its games when they don't want it to be abused as the way I described it.
From Software has made action games that work traditionally and do have a pause function/menu, like Otogi. They didn't want Dark Souls to work in the same way. You cannot make fromsoft to do it if they don't want to.
GamingOblivion
Banned
It's like 5 games out of the thousands that have a pause mode.
The Souls games are online games. You can't pause a fucking pause call of duty match, why can you think you should pause this?
get over it
The Souls games are online games. You can't pause a fucking pause call of duty match, why can you think you should pause this?
get over it
Stallion Dan
Member
This been answered a million times. No pause to create tension is a dire design choice, the game should be able to do that with a pause, like so many other games do and have done for decades.
Matchamaking just like how Diablo III works, someone has joined, no pause, still alone, can pause.
NoblesseOblige
Banned
Yup you re right, i confused menu managing where you cant be safe with a real pause
I think it took me like a third through the game before I realized the pause was separate the menu.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
'This place again...?'
Shifty
Member
The fuck is this 'but the online though' shit? This problem has already been solved by every game that ever had distinct SP and MP modes.
It's simple.
If you don't have any other players in your world, allow pause.
If you're playing with someone else or in the process of connecting to them/being connected to, don't allow pause.
For shame, GAF.
It's simple.
If you don't have any other players in your world, allow pause.
If you're playing with someone else or in the process of connecting to them/being connected to, don't allow pause.
For shame, GAF.
Why are we still here... just to suffer?
Simple. You pause the matchmaking too, even Street Fighter V with it's barebones release managed to do that. As soon as you matchmake with someone then make it so either, you can't pause - or the pause screen doesn't pause the game at all, just brings up the screen(as the menu does at the moment).
Hardly a good solution.
In Dark Souls 3 when you press it, it means you have to go through all the start up rigmarole again, ie publisher logos, start menu stuff(notifcations w/e) and then load up the game again.
Some online games have pause button, Pes its one of them, like a minute or so in a game and it never pissed me off, like some people said already, i cant see the advantage of not having a pause button, the thrill still sustains, back in the old days every game had pause and i never lacked enjoyment or the relaxation that pause can offer, maybe its just me.
Spiral Insanity
Banned
Think about it OP. If you pause in those games it basically takes you offline.
It doesn't work.
It doesn't work.
UcchedavÄda
Member
I don't quite get why people think the Souls games / Bloodborne couldn't have a pause function on account of the online functionality. As it is, the games must already be constantly communicating your current state and location to the server in order to suspend / resume "matchmaking" at appropriate times, meaning that the server-side prerequisites for pausing a client are already in place. And of course, you would simply disable pausing during actual online interactions.
Ah the monthly pause function thread.
Pretty much any game with online functionality won't let you pause. Division, Destiny, NFS, FFXIV etc etc.
Then there is the fact that none of the MP games can be paused, so that includes pretty much 80% of the games out there with a mode that can't be paused.
This thing about "I have a phone call", "There's someone at a door" or "I need to go take a piss" applies to all those games yet it only shows up for Souls like games.
Guess it's because those games can be played offline, but doubt anyone plays these games without connecting to internet these days, the messages and all are so helpful. Regardless it kills the tension in the game and the one thing about Souls games is that if you are in an area with no enemies you can just keep you character standing there for hours and no one will come and do anything..even if it's right before a boss battle.
Pretty much any game with online functionality won't let you pause. Division, Destiny, NFS, FFXIV etc etc.
Then there is the fact that none of the MP games can be paused, so that includes pretty much 80% of the games out there with a mode that can't be paused.
This thing about "I have a phone call", "There's someone at a door" or "I need to go take a piss" applies to all those games yet it only shows up for Souls like games.
Guess it's because those games can be played offline, but doubt anyone plays these games without connecting to internet these days, the messages and all are so helpful. Regardless it kills the tension in the game and the one thing about Souls games is that if you are in an area with no enemies you can just keep you character standing there for hours and no one will come and do anything..even if it's right before a boss battle.
Spiral Insanity
Banned
Ucchedavāda;202224349 said:
No.
It doesn't work.
If it did, it would get abused.
UcchedavÄda
Member
Vital Tundra
Member
It bothers me Souls games don't have it even if your offline. Like really? Let me pause the damn game. Shouldn't have to quit out to the menu.
All the rest of those games are online only. Even NFS which, yeah, you can play solo, but you still can't play offline. (Though I don't know why you can't pause the game in the solo play mode of NFS, that's also a silly omission, and I'm pretty sure I saw plenty of people complain about it).
You aren't going to get a good pause system while playing multi-player, I think most people accept that. Dota 2 does have one, and it's pretty useless really. In most cases the enemy team will moan and instantly un-pause, and you just end up with a pause war.
The difference with Soulsborne games is there is a massive amount of the game that can be done totally solo, and even offline. There is no "good" reason that there isn't a pause option.
Tension when managing inventory and the idea of pausing somehow helping you in the game can be fairly easily solved. Make the pause menu a totally solid screen which doesn't let you do anything but pause. You can't see the environment then to plan your progress, nor can you manage your inventory.
Other games have also managed to do a smart matchmaking system which allows you to pause as well, so it's not like that's somehow stopping them from implementing such a thing in any Souls game.
You think action/ adventure games need pause?
Try RTS games where several things come at you simultaneoulsy on multiple battlefields across a map. Its not just pause that's nice, but being able to issue orders while paused too! (I'm looking at you, Homeworld: Deserts of Kharak )
Try RTS games where several things come at you simultaneoulsy on multiple battlefields across a map. Its not just pause that's nice, but being able to issue orders while paused too! (I'm looking at you, Homeworld: Deserts of Kharak
)I don't know about invasions, but I can attest that sitting at bonfires does not reset the spawns of enemies that may or may not be chasing you all the way back there.
Spiral Insanity
Banned
The games are not designed to be played offline, optionally. That can of course be achieved, but it drastically alters the experience for better and for worse.
Why are you offline?
Ucchedavāda;202224745 said:
People would pause when being invaded, for one.
in you're invaded, then guess what, you have to deal with the invader first. or die. if you have a summon there's an item to banish them and then you can quit to the main menu.
Always online is the only decent excuse for not having a pause option as far as I'm concerned. It has nothing do to with how hardcore a game is or adding to the tension or anything. It's a standard feature and honestly a basic human courtesy because god-forbid life happens and you have to answer the phone or you have someone knocking at the door or your kid hurt themself.
UcchedavÄda
Member
As I already pointed out, you could disable pausing in that particular case.
That's like the worst excuse somebody can come up with, tbh.
Plenty of people have already answered that.
You just make it so pausing isn't available once the system has found someone.
Shifty
Member
Bullshit. Show me the receipts.
Subjective.
Being invaded is one of the situations in which you would disallow pause.
What about messages, phantoms etc? The game is in constantly accessing online features.. Fundamentally I don't think the system could handle a pause unless they redesigned it from the bottom up.
Shifty
Member
When you pause, tell the server to set a 'no matchmaking' flag on your IP. When you unpause, tell the server to unset that flag. Job done. All the other systems can continue running in the background.
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