Prisoner KSC2-303
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Sorry, are you saying third party support has dried up, in part, due to the profile and success of the likes of Mario and Zelda, and third parties finding it hard to compete with those franchises?
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If Nintendo invests in outstanding hardware yet still fails to win over 3rd parties..
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Sorry, are you saying third party support has dried up, in part, due to the profile and success of the likes of Mario and Zelda, and third parties finding it hard to compete with those franchises?
Nintendo always deliver some of the games ever made each generation, I buy their consoles because I like their games.
If I can have all the Nintendo first party plus the third party games without compromising anything, that would be awesome. I'll buy their hardware even if it's not the case.
If I can have all the Nintendo first party plus the third party games without compromising anything, that would be awesome. I'll buy their hardware even if it's not the case.
mikefrails
Banned
Voting with your wallet. If the people who at present demand they make a powerful console don't support then what reason does Nintendo have to ever go that route again?
SomedayTheFire
Member
Yep. This sites infatuation with Nintendo is baffling.
Father_Brain
Banned
Yeah, that excuse is and always has been nonsense. Third parties have no qualms about "competing" with the likes of Uncharted or Halo; the difference is that, unlike those franchises, Nintendo first-party IP do next to nothing to cultivate an audience for the likes of CoD, AC, GTA, or Elder Scrolls. The demographic overlap simply isn't there.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
No. Nintendo definitely needs to have great hardware this time around but improving 3rd party relations needs to come first, and, considering some the things we've heard from devs about Nintendo wanting a one-way communication channel for NX development, it seems that they still haven't learned that...
Nintendo doesn't "censor" 3rd party releases.
Nintendo doesn't "censor" 3rd party releases.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
I mean, I get it. I know the psychology behind it is Nintendo were at every birthday party, every Christmas, and they occupy the same space of peoples minds as like some treasured nanny or even like a phantom 3rd parent. To many people Nintendo represents some nostalgic entity more dependable and reliable for those formative endorphin releases than any live flesh and blood creature they can bring themselves to trust.
But man is it just so damn weird to witness the bargaining phases played out over decades of peoples lives as they come to grips with the fact a corporation maybe doesn't actually know or care they exist.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Nintendo consoles have been Nintendo first party machines since the 64 for me. So nothing really changes there.
I'd still like them to make a reasonably powerful console if only to allow their games to visually shine as brightly as they deserve to.
I'd still like them to make a reasonably powerful console if only to allow their games to visually shine as brightly as they deserve to.
n0razi
Member
People actually do this? I guess fanboys gonna fanboy
gcncontroller
Member
Of course not? No one buys consoles out of sympathy. They buy 'em for games. In this case, first party Nintendo games.
If Zelda launches with NX I'm there day 1, no questions.
I buy a plattform for great games. Never cared if the manufacterer of the game is third- or firstparty.
Yeah. I'm suprised that you manage to pretend surprise.
I know handheld consoles do not exist in USA, but...
Edit:
Heh
No indication for your if turning out true.
Yeah. I'm suprised that you manage to pretend surprise.
I know handheld consoles do not exist in USA, but...
Edit:
Heh
No indication for your if turning out true.
There's another side of the coin, and that's Nintendo-like 3rd party games made specifically for the Nintendo audience fail too.
Nobody bought the family-friendly point & click puzzle game Zack & Wiki exclusive to Wii and made by Capcom.
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Deleted member 126221
Unconfirmed Member
lol what? No. I'll buy it if there's enough games I'm interested in on it (and I'm a Nintendo fanboy, so it's pretty likely there'll be...). I don't have hundreds of dollars to spend as symbolic gestures.
chozen
Member
Was Xenoblade Chronicles X 1st party? Bravely Default? Fatal Frame?
The SJW machine will eventually destroy itself. What a tragedy. They should have embraced the pantsu future.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
All 3 titles were published by Nintendo in America, so yes.
Astral Dog
Member
oh boy
XBX yes, FF, Yes, stop with this nonsense.
OT, im buying any console they sell, its not about the 3rd party titles for me, if i wanted to play those i will buy on pc or xbox.
XCX was first party.
shouamabane
Member
I've been buying Nintendo hardware for Nintendo games for 20 years now.
This
Zombie James
Banned
A little defeatist, no?
CrashPrime
Member
They wont. Odds of NX being less powerful than the PS4.5/Neo are pretty safe. Nintendo hasn't pushed hardware in a meaningful way since they got to accidentally do it with the SNES.
Dr. Black Jack
Member
Who honestly gives a fuck about third parties on Nintendo systems at this point?
Primethius
Banned
I think the notion that Nintendo isnt get third parties because thier hardware isn't up to par is misguided. Thats only a factor really.
Even if they come up with something that is stronger then even the PS4k, I doubt they'll get much in the way of third party support.
Even if they come up with something that is stronger then even the PS4k, I doubt they'll get much in the way of third party support.
people who needs excuses to not buy nintendo hardware
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
Anyone who wants their console purchase to not gather dust every 6 months between new releases...
Primethius
Banned
The people that do clearly have stopped buying the systems at this point and that's refelected in their HW sales.
I also think Nintendo should plan the entire NX platform independent of AAA console multiplats, as in, getting 3rd party support is not vital for their business but merely a bonus.
In practice this means low priced hardware and games that adopt new kinds of pricing models, in order to reduce the barrier of entry. With this in mind, how will they ensure a steady stream of quality releases? By offering their entire output in one place.
Cow Goes Moo
Member
3ds has plenty of third party games
from atlus, to namco to level 5, sega and other ones I can't think of at the moment
it's weird, the majority of my 3ds games aren't even from nintendo
Father_Brain
Banned
That's not really true.
Some of them failed, certainly, just as some would-be AAA shooters and open-world games failed. But Just Dance and other casual/family titles generally did quite well, because that's the audience Nintendo succeeded in cultivating.
I mean, there's a reason why Just Dance, Lego, Skylanders, and Disney Infinity are the only Western third-party franchises that still reliably show up on Wii U.
wonderful103
Member
At least the nx will finally prove that it's not system power that has anything to do with ports, if the wii u wasn't proof enough.
The wii u took 360 ports and had a standard dual analog pad with an optional touch screen on it. Still no ports.
Let it go people. Power, controllers, discs... None of these things have been or will be the issue.
The wii u took 360 ports and had a standard dual analog pad with an optional touch screen on it. Still no ports.
Let it go people. Power, controllers, discs... None of these things have been or will be the issue.
Voting with your wallet would be not buying it, if 3rd party support is important to you. If it's not important to you, then there's no problem for you and voting with your wallet would be buying it in a "this is awesome" way, not a "thank you for trying way".
No one votes with their wallet in a "you tried" way. Not sure what you'd be voting for. And I hope Nintendo would be smart enough to determine why people aren't buying a console, and not mistake "where are the games" with "we don't care about hardware".
gigantor21
Member
A trend I don't expect to change regardless of how much power the NX is packing.
Sony and MS not only gave third parties a say in how to design their latest systems, but have been cutting all sorts of DLC, promotion and exclusivity deals as well. If Nintendo isn't willing to go all in like that, unless it has i7 + 980Ti performance for $200 or something they'll still find excuses not to support it.
Managing third party relationships (with the West in particular) has become expensive and complicated in a way I don't see Nintendo wanting to deal with.
of course not
well, nintendo at least, they get royalties for every sold game. they should at least try
no need to prove what's already proven
chozen
Member
This, I hate saying this but Nintendo has been going down hill and should go third party, they don't have any real purpose in the console space, I mean all they have for E3 is Zelda? Really? Look at the competition.
Unknown One
Member
I was blown away at last gen. People were saying in order to have an optimum gaming experience, you should buy all 3 consoles.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
This still makes no sense, why would you buy something you don't want if they still fail to deliver what you want? And guess what if this tells them to never try again then so be it but after how much trouble they've had selling to people they're going to have some hard times ahead if they keep trying a strategy that they know doesn't work. I can't believe someone would honestly suggest to pay money for something you don't want just to make a company feel better, what other companies do you do this for OP?
DS, 360, Wii.. why not?