Nobody needs an excuse to "not" buy something dude. "I don't want it" is perfectly reasonable in itself.
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If Nintendo invests in outstanding hardware yet still fails to win over 3rd parties..
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Nobody needs an excuse to "not" buy something dude. "I don't want it" is perfectly reasonable in itself.
Fair enough, I was probably thinking about games I would personally be interested in, core oriented if you will. You can track over the gens how the ratio of 1st to 3rd party games changes in my Nintendo collection. Literally the only physical release I have on Wii U is Shovel Knight... 3DS looks better thanks to Layton and some rhythm games.
I guess the only way to get major 3rd party support is to build up a high enough userbase strictly using 1st party games to the point other companies can no longer ignore its potential. So, catch-22.
neurosisxeno
Member
People who want to play Nintendo titles without spending $300 on a piece of hardware with minimal functionality compared to its competitors. The great Nintendo games every 6 months or so isn't enough to justify investing in a platform that only plays Nintendo games. My PS4 has quite a few good games, but also can play Blu-Rays, function as a media server, and has just about every streaming service imaginable (I only wish it had HBO Go\Now). I would love to play Splatoon and SSB, but I'm not gonna pay ~$450 just to do so and then have a console that sits there collecting dust.
JimJamJones
Member
What's with the mass of Nintendo 3rd party threads lately?
I mean, half of them basically trash the NX before it's even revealed...
I mean, half of them basically trash the NX before it's even revealed...
If you think of the console as just a revision, like New 3DS is to OG 3DS, they technically can. They just need to adjust R&D, marketing cost, etc. accordingly.
The only problem is investors won't be happy since they expect growth, but Nintendo should seek it elsewhere (mobile, qol)
Effectively exiting the console space, or positioning themselves as niche. Whichever interpretation you prefer. I hope they do it
chozen
Member
It's not even the consoles fault, what games will that console have? Do I even need to buy it?
I want Zelda but that alone shouldn't warrant a purchase and everything else is irrelevant to me (opinion) maybe except for Metroid (IF They even make one) as well. But 2 games every 5 years or so?
A big NO for the big N.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
I don't need an excuse to NOT buy their hardware. They need to give me a convincing reason to buy their hardware.
Wowfunhappy
Member
OP, I have bought both the 3DS, Wii U, and (small) New 3DS the day they launched, and I'm pretty much guaranteed to buy the NX at launch.
Even _I_ am not going to buy the NX "because Nintendo tried." I'm going to buy it because it's going to get all of the new Nintendo games. If it didn't why on earth would I bother. That's an absolute minimum of $200 spent "for trying", and probably much more. There are much more worthwhile causes in the world to give money to.
What?!?
Even _I_ am not going to buy the NX "because Nintendo tried." I'm going to buy it because it's going to get all of the new Nintendo games. If it didn't why on earth would I bother. That's an absolute minimum of $200 spent "for trying", and probably much more. There are much more worthwhile causes in the world to give money to.
What?!?
Rabid-Coot
Member
With no third party support you really need to like just about everything that Nintendo puts out to be able to justify your console purchase and be ok with there being regular gaps between new releases.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
I think Nintendo desperately needs to change this way of thinking by their customers if they ever want to be competitive again outside of a fluke like the Wii.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
Consumers are not a sympathy charity.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
I'll buy it even with zero 3rd party support. I buy Nintendo hardware to play Nintendo games. 3rd parties are a non-factor.
I bought the Wii U, but I'm not going to buy the next console just because "they're trying".
I'll buy it if it has compelling exclusive software and looks to be worth the asking price.
They aren't doing poorly because the hardware isn't good enough, look at how well the Wii sold and that was basically a Gamecube
I'll buy it if it has compelling exclusive software and looks to be worth the asking price.
They aren't doing poorly because the hardware isn't good enough, look at how well the Wii sold and that was basically a Gamecube
StrongBlackVine
Banned
They need to attract more than diehard Nintendo fans unless they want another Gamecube or even worse Wii U. With the handheld market shrinking they actually need a more successful home console now.
StrapOnFetus
Banned
Yea, ill buy any Nintendo console day 1, I have the Xbox One, Pc, no need EVER for a Playstation.
I always buy a Nintendo Console for there games, always.
I always buy a Nintendo Console for there games, always.
In a business industry, just trying gets nowhere. Nintendo is going to try to do two things with the NX: Get first party games and get 3rd party games on the system. I'm 85% sure that there will be 1st party games on NX. 3rd party? There's no telling. It doesn't matter if they try to get a lot of 3rd party games. It matters if they succeed. If there's not enough 3rd party games on the system, they may have tried, sure, but not hard enough.
The Abominable Snowman
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I don't weirdly personify multibillion dollar corporations.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Yeah, but personally speaking, so long as they keep doing what they're doing with their 1st party line-up I'm there day-1. Even if 3rd party ports that are easily attainable on practically all other platforms anyway aren't on Nintendo's.
Well even assuming you can design, build and market a console cheaply enough (which is a big assumption), capture your hardcore fans (who will no doubt be underwhelmed by such a strategy) and profitably build software for that niche (who increasingly expect better production values), it would be an unsustainable strategy falling behind the general gaming market while being reliant on a dwindling base (harder to recapture with each incremental update) so investors obviously wouldn't be happy. Frankly, I think the idea is terrible.
Now, as to why you would hope they make themselves a niche in a market they've shown they can dominate, or exit it altogether, speaks volumes as to whether having access to great Nintendo games is your priority...
I think the most interesting situation with the NX is if Nintendo has gone that extra mile to offer decent power, decent dev tools and yet third parties still deny their existence on the platform. If that does happen it basically cements that third parties give no shit about hardware and instead about status quo which is quite petty.
Lol why the hell would I give a multi billion dollar company money for 'trying', especially when I've spent money on their products my whole life and they seem to keep making either the same games with the same characters or shoe horning motion controls and other gimmicks instead of giving me the things I want like unified account system, decent graphical capabilities etc. If it doesn't appeal to me or it's not going to succeed in the market....too bad for them. Nintendo aren't a family member which I'm going to miss if they're ever gone.
Yeah, because that console would be crazy expensive and would have almost no userbase to sell games to.
But I know what you were getting at; the bullshit idea that third-parties dislike Nintendo and wont create games for their systems regardless of how Nintendo actually designs the console. In reality theres zero proof that publishers have avoided Nintendo's recent systems for any reason except Nintendo making it really, really hard for them to do so.
Big, billion dollar companies are not petty. Nintendo has made it quite difficult for publishers to support their home consoles in the last couple decades. If publishers don't flock to the NX, its Nintendo's failure, and theirs alone.
Third parties go where the customers are, not where the power is.
I don't agree. Third parties will attract more 1 console only people. People who don't own a Wii U right now because of that reason. They aren't Nintendo's customers anymore.
If they get the best versions of third party games than I'll buy them or if they get exclusive games from third parties I'll buy those.
I see the chances of that happening as slim to none. When has Nintendo ever had the best versions of third party games? A GameCube game here and there?
shinra-bansho
Member
Outstanding by who's metric..?
If they didn't censor Bayonetta, I wouldn't worry too much about third party censorship.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Should they not be trying to attract more one console owners? Why should Nintendo be content filling a secondary role while Microsoft and Sony platforms provide more complete experiences?
- Yes
- It was published by Nintendo in the West
- Yes
outunderthestars
Banned
No. I will buy it if it has games I want to play and doesn't have some absurdly annoying gimmick.
I know I'm kinda the same. As I stated earlier the random exclusive Japanese game will be a bonus.
But I wonder how many else feel the same and how much that has to do with third parties ignoring Nintendo.
Btw this is a purchase as long as it's region free. If it's region locked and has the same shitty account policy I'm cancelling. Not dealing with backwards policies anymore also assuming we're talking about a home console and not a portable one.
I'll buy it if it has games I want, simple as that. I skipped the Wii U, couldn't come to terms with the controller. I fully intend to buy the NX near launch though, based on what I've heard regarding the launch lineup. Can't skip a Zelda game, and I'd love to play Smash on something other than the 3ds.
lol
But really, I'd rather they just get out of the hardware game altogether. I don't want the expense and loss of space that comes with buying another console just so I can play a couple of their games on it. They make wonderful software, but not wonderful enough for me to keep investing in consoles specifically for them.
ultratruman
Banned
You can't call a piece of hardware outstanding if it has no third party support. One of the most important judgements of a game console should be its ability to attract and sustain mass development support.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
"Outstanding hardware" is a really nebulous thing to comment on.
If it fails to win over third parties, depending on what Nintendo puts out, yeah I might skip the system. I really enjoyed a lot of the third party JRPGs on the DS, Wii and 3DS. And the Wii U was a totally barren wasteland in comparison. If the next system is a barren wasteland for the genres I care about again, then yeah, I'm probably out.
If it fails to win over third parties, depending on what Nintendo puts out, yeah I might skip the system. I really enjoyed a lot of the third party JRPGs on the DS, Wii and 3DS. And the Wii U was a totally barren wasteland in comparison. If the next system is a barren wasteland for the genres I care about again, then yeah, I'm probably out.
WrenchNinja
Member
I wish I had money to burn like that
Eeeeeeeeeh no. I wouldn't. If a couple years go buy and Nintendo or third parties have provided a library of games that I think are worth buying a console for, sure. But the post-Wii launch drought killed my blind Nintendo love, and Nintendoland Fireworks convinced me a Wii U was not a console I needed at launch. Regardless of how great the NX looks, I'm not buying it at launch.