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[Xyber]

How would she even know to aim there? I was on the other side of the map. Stop defending cheaters, guys.

If it was at the beginning of the match, then it makes even more sense that she knew where to aim. There's not many ways to go, if you "main" a sniper class you learn where people usually go. Pretty much like people who wallbang the doors at the start of the match in Dust 2 in CS to get kills.

Not saying it's impossible for it to have been a cheater, but it's usually more likely that they weren't. I have been kicked and banned from so many servers in BF3/4 because I was "cheating" (and I'm not amazing or anything, just get lucky every now and then), but I have never touched a single hack for any online multiplayer game in my life.

 

[randomengine]

If it was at the beginning of the match, then it makes even more sense that she knew where to aim. There's not many ways to go, if you "main" a sniper class you learn where people usually go. Pretty much like people who wallbang the doors at the start of the match in Dust 2 in CS to get kills.

Not saying it's impossible for it to have been a cheater, but it's usually more likely that they weren't. I have been kicked and banned from so many servers in BF3/4 because I was "cheating" (and I'm not amazing or anything, just get lucky every now and then), but I have never touched a single hack for any online multiplayer game in my life.

Why couldn't it be cheating? Why so many apologists?

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

Why couldn't it be cheating? Why so many apologists?

Why are you being so defensive? He literally stated that it could be cheating, yet you're going on the offensive at him for not automatically agreeing with you? Calling him an apologist? Come on... I've seen a ton of people like you that go aggressive at the suggestion someone has doubts and doesn't agree with you.

He brings up a great point, that players in general are EXTREMELY QUICK to call the hackusation. Especially in player admin'd servers.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

Her gun cues you when someone is in your sights.

no, her gun cues when it is fully charged.

 

[Muzicfreq]

People keep posting this gif as if it is 100% undeniable. Put a player with good enough muscle memory can pull that degree of aim off. And we're talking about pro level here who runs with a high sensitivity to boot. Also, youtube plays vids at what, 30 fps? And taimou probably runs the game at greater than 120 fps.

I'm not saying the video isn't sketchy, but I wouldn't call it proof of hacks. Watching it in slow motion you can see that his aim going from lucio to D.VA (? at first in low res I thought it was someone else) across the bridge is not a straight light and curves upward like natural human movement would.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1d04Q4XO30

That's just my perspective after watching that video a bunch of times. It's easy to just look at it once and conclude that is hacking cause people don't know what a pro level player is capable of. Even player to player is different and taimou plays at a much higher sensitivity than most pro players (to my knowledge) do.

edit:
Oh right, I forgot to address the fact that people think D.VA was off screen. She was on screen several times when he was unscoping though. I think benefit of the doubt is in order for the player. I don't consider that to be a major issue. I mean, certainly if someone is going to be banned you need better evidence then this imho.



Could be a result of different graphics levels. The artists sometimes have missed low res fixtures allowing small advantages for playing at low graphics settings. They fix these as they spot them though or as they are reported to them.

Let me just quickly while backing up perfectly aim at D.Va's weakpoint while in the middle of scoping back in. Totes legit

Spoiler

/s

 

[activatethesmile]

Why would people bother cheating in a Beta?

Holy shit.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

Let me just quickly while backing up perfectly aim at D.Va's weakpoint while in the middle of scoping back in. Totes legit

Spoiler

/s

Wait, you think you can't move and aim at the same time? These guys move + jump + scope in and shoot simultaneously. Give me a break. I understand that to average players, these things seem impossible without hacks, but his reticule landing directly on top of dva in the center... that is nothing.

 

[linkent]

Why would people bother cheating in a Beta?

Holy shit.

When money is involved and there is small risk of getting caught.

 

[randomengine]

Why are you being so defensive? He literally stated that it could be cheating, yet you're going on the offensive at him for not automatically agreeing with you? Calling him an apologist? Come on... I've seen a ton of people like you that go aggressive at the suggestion someone has doubts and doesn't agree with you.

He brings up a great point, that players in general are EXTREMELY QUICK to call the hackusation. Especially in player admin'd servers.

I am not a player in general. I know how to spot hacking. I've been playing online multiplayer games since Tribes and Diablo. It's funny that so many people are defending hackers or make it difficult to attack hackers, it's a culture and mentality I see all the time. I saw hackers being protected from being kicked on servers by apologists.......all the time. They are just as bad as the hackers because they make it extremely difficult to punish the hackers. I am not a noob, please don't treat me like one. I used to root out hackers on TF2 servers as a hobby. It's best to assume that someone knows what they are talking about until they give you a reason to believe otherwise.

This is no different than when we have these arguments over gamergate and people defend those positions. Yes, there are good players. Yes, some good players are accused of hacking. Yes, there are hackers. Yes, hackers are being protected by the culture that attacks anyone accused of hacking. This is very similar to rape culture, in that you have perpetrator(s), victim(s), and a culture that pushes back against accusations and in some cases there are false accusations. How is rape culture combated? Take every accusation seriously.

 

[ZPs]

I am not a player in general. I know how to spot hacking. I've been playing online multiplayer games since Tribes and Diablo. It's funny that so many people are defending hackers or make it difficult to attack hackers, it's a culture and mentality I see all the time. I saw hackers being protected from being kicked on servers by apologists.......all the time. They are just as bad as the hackers because they make it extremely difficult to punish the hackers. I am not a noob, please don't treat me like one. I used to root out hackers on TF2 servers as a hobby. It's best to assume that someone knows what they are talking about until they give you a reason to believe otherwise.

This is no different than when we have these arguments over gamergate and people defend those positions. Yes, there are good players. Yes, some good players are accused of hacking. Yes, there are hackers. Yes, hackers are being protected by the culture that attacks anyone accused of hacking. This is very similar to rape culture, in that you have perpetrator(s), victim(s), and a culture that pushes back against accusations and in some cases there are false accusations. How is rape culture combated? Take every accusation seriously.

Man. Take every hackusation seriously? You do realize that top FPS players in most games can't go a single day multiple people crying hacks - simply because it's one of the most common reactions to getting outplayed? When I played Tribes on a professional level, getting hacking accusations happened effectively every day. Let alone mere pubbing of games with a higher twitch element. If tournament organizers in most games took your stance, basically every top player would be banned before it was all said and done. I'm not even going to touch your analogy that tries to compare every day hackusations with far more serious real life events - it's beyond inappropriate.

Also, I'm going to leave this here, for those who are wondering how spectator/kill cam/potg can look warped relative to actual gameplay:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqbSYDycz4U

 

[Justinh]

Man, that's freaking disheartening that cheating is coming up already in the game.

Sigh... and interview dude just had to be on a team called IDDQD, huh?

 

[Doombacon]

I am not a player in general. I know how to spot hacking. I've been playing online multiplayer games since Tribes and Diablo. It's funny that so many people are defending hackers or make it difficult to attack hackers, it's a culture and mentality I see all the time. I saw hackers being protected from being kicked on servers by apologists.......all the time. They are just as bad as the hackers because they make it extremely difficult to punish the hackers. I am not a noob, please don't treat me like one. I used to root out hackers on TF2 servers as a hobby. It's best to assume that someone knows what they are talking about until they give you a reason to believe otherwise.

This is no different than when we have these arguments over gamergate and people defend those positions. Yes, there are good players. Yes, some good players are accused of hacking. Yes, there are hackers. Yes, hackers are being protected by the culture that attacks anyone accused of hacking. This is very similar to rape culture, in that you have perpetrator(s), victim(s), and a culture that pushes back against accusations and in some cases there are false accusations. How is rape culture combated? Take every accusation seriously.

I liked the part where you directly compared using third party software to cheat in a video game to rape.

 

[Tecnniqe]

Wait, you think you can't move and aim at the same time? These guys move + jump + scope in and shoot simultaneously. Give me a break. I understand that to average players, these things seem impossible without hacks, but his reticule landing directly on top of dva in the center... that is nothing.

And the revive snap? Crosshair malfunction?

Man. Take every hackusation seriously? You do realize that top FPS players in most games can't go a single day multiple people crying hacks - simply because it's one of the most common reactions to getting outplayed? When I played Tribes on a professional level, getting hacking accusations happened effectively every day. Let alone mere pubbing of games with a higher twitch element. If tournament organizers in most games took your stance, basically every top player would be banned before it was all said and done. I'm not even going to touch your analogy that tries to compare every day hackusations with far more serious real life events - it's beyond inappropriate.

Also, I'm going to leave this here, for those who are wondering how spectator/kill cam/potg can look warped relative to actual gameplay:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqbSYDycz4U

And again we ignore the fact that his PoV had the exact same snap in which he got called out by another pro player and removed it.

 

[Zeliard]

I am not a player in general. I know how to spot hacking. I've been playing online multiplayer games since Tribes and Diablo. It's funny that so many people are defending hackers or make it difficult to attack hackers, it's a culture and mentality I see all the time. I saw hackers being protected from being kicked on servers by apologists.......all the time. They are just as bad as the hackers because they make it extremely difficult to punish the hackers. I am not a noob, please don't treat me like one. I used to root out hackers on TF2 servers as a hobby. It's best to assume that someone knows what they are talking about until they give you a reason to believe otherwise.

This is no different than when we have these arguments over gamergate and people defend those positions. Yes, there are good players. Yes, some good players are accused of hacking. Yes, there are hackers. Yes, hackers are being protected by the culture that attacks anyone accused of hacking. This is very similar to rape culture, in that you have perpetrator(s), victim(s), and a culture that pushes back against accusations and in some cases there are false accusations. How is rape culture combated? Take every accusation seriously.

People should absolutely not take every hacking accusation seriously. Not that this is necessarily what you're doing, but legitimate players are often accused of hacking by players who can't stand or can't understand their own deaths. You should only take a player's complaints about hacking seriously if they're prepared to offer some sort of evidence. Or else you get witch hunts.

I've seen it get bad. If any of you are familiar with czm from Quake 3, he used to be considered a big cheater in Quakeworld even by a lot of the top players there. It wasn't until he went to a LAN and destroyed everyone that people gave up that crusade.

If it turns out that Taimou and Surefour are innocent, this is going to be an unfortunate situation, but at least in their cases there are things you can point to that appear questionable. The impreciseness of the kill cam combined with the general skill level and experience of these guys makes it even more difficult to say anything conclusively, but it still raises an eyebrow, at the least. But it'll be an even worse situation if every good player is no longer given the benefit of the doubt.

 

[dity]

This explains a lot. Sometimes I'd have very fun matches, sometimes I'd have quite lame ones where I'd be basically killed as soon as I saw any red. Oh well, I still think the game's fun.

 

[Crono27]

People should absolutely not take every hacking accusation seriously. Not that this is necessarily what you're doing, but legitimate players are often accused of hacking by players who can't stand or can't understand their own deaths. You should only take a player's complaints about hacking seriously if they're prepared to offer some sort of evidence. Or else you get witch hunts.

I've seen it get bad. If any of you are familiar with czm from Quake 3, he used to be considered a big cheater in Quakeworld even by a lot of the top players there. It wasn't until he went to a LAN and destroyed everyone that people gave up that crusade.

If it turns out that Taimou and Surefour are innocent, this is going to be an unfortunate situation, but at least in their cases there are things you can point to that appear questionable. The impreciseness of the kill cam combined with the general skill level and experience of these guys makes it even more difficult to say anything conclusively, but it still raises an eyebrow, at the least. But it'll be an even worse situation if every good player is no longer given the benefit of the doubt.

Pretty much going to be like how it is in cs. Where everyone who is good people are gonna call cheats. It is what it is.

 

[Crono27]

This explains a lot. Sometimes I'd have very fun matches, sometimes I'd have quite lame ones where I'd be basically killed as soon as I saw any red. Oh well, I still think the game's fun.

Or maybe they are better than you?

 

[randomengine]

Or maybe they are better than you?

Or maybe they cheat?

 

[randomengine]

Pretty much going to be like how it is in cs. Where everyone who is good people are gonna call cheats. It is what it is.

Maybe good players should only play with people of their skill level, if they want to avoid false accusations. Nobody of low skill wants to play with those of high skill and get owned. It isn't fun and is cruel. That's why there is matchmaking, but some skilled players would rather entertain themselves by griefing lower-skilled players. I've seen it tons of times. If skilled players want to avoid that shit, they should stay with their skill level.

 

[Crono27]

Maybe good players should only play with people of their skill level, if they want to avoid false accusations. Nobody of low skill wants to play with those of high skill and get owned. It isn't fun and is cruel. That's why there is matchmaking, but some skilled players would rather entertain themselves by griefing lower-skilled players. I've seen it tons of times. If skilled players want to avoid that shit, they should stay with their skill level.

I agree with you. But what about people playing cs in a casual server to warm up. It's going to happen regardless. Smurfing is a whole different issue which is dumb imo.

 

[randomengine]

I agree with you. But what about people playing cs in a casual server to warm up. It's going to happen regardless. Smurfing is a whole different issue which is dumb imo.

No.

Again, skilled players should always play with their own, even if warming up. All it does is cause grief with the other players, they are not training dummies they are just playing casually to have fun and shouldn't be used as fodder. That's very self-centered thinking.

I've seen a lot of times in TF2 were a really good player shows up and just ruins everyone's fun. They shouldn't even be there.

 

[dity]

Or maybe they are better than you?

"Fun" doesn't mean I won.

 

[accx]

No.

Again, skilled players should always play with their own, even if warming up. All it does is cause grief with the other players, they are not training dummies they are just playing casually to have fun and shouldn't be used as fodder. That's very self-centered thinking.

I've seen a lot of times in TF2 were a really good player shows up and just ruins everyone's fun. They shouldn't even be there.

This is ridiculous. Who are you to dictate what others should or shouldn't do?
I mean, there's a plethora of reasons someone of higher skill would join a match with lower tier people. The most obvious one would be not knowing the skill cap of a particular server (assuming the game had dedicated servers and not mmr).
Or it could be that some has friends that's not as good but you want to play with them. Or sometimes you'd just want to relax and not be super on top of your game all the time but still want to play.
It could even be a positive experience for people who aren't as good because it might make them step up their game, or they decide they want to train and become better overall. Some pro players might even be willing to coach which i personally would find a lot of fun. Putting people in brackets and not letting them move out of it from time to time is stupid when it comes down to casual play. You should really only do that in ranked or in tournaments.
Besides, if there's dedicated servers it's up to the admin to kick users if they feel others are ruining the game for everyone else. Users can leave and join another server, or ask politely that the high skilled player leaves.
I feel that neither you nor i should be the ones dictating how other people want to play.
Most of the time high skilled players get bored quickly if they're 'tryharding' on a server suited for casuals anyways.

Edit:
As for the hackusations, they talked a little about it during the chanman podcast and fishstix (like i assume everyone involved) took a stand that it's not tolerated and will/should be dealt with. That said, they also were not at all convinced that the accusations were true. Fishstix usually casts the gosugamers tournaments iirc and is involved in the big LAN event a week after launch with the $10k price pool. Not sure how involved or if he was just asked to be a caster though.
It seems to me the people actually involved in the comp scene don't believe the rumours. You could say that's because they have an incentive keeping it alive, which is true, but i mean. If the rumours were to be true, it wouldn't kill the scene at all and i'm fairly certain more tournaments will pop up. The only people that's going to be hurt by this is the cheaters (and perhaps their teams) but everyone else should not be affected.

Hopefully Blizzard comes out with some information regarding their AC, sooner rather than later. So far they've been adamant in keeping up with the community and providing as much information as possible.
I'm guessing it wont be addressed until after launch though.

 

[KojiKnight]

How is the competitive heroes scene and cheaters? I'd say that is where we should be looking to see blizzard's strategy on this.

 

[Tinfoilhatsron]

Wow at OP. Those links are so fucking damning. Back and forth because of that respawn. Definitely aimbot used.


Also I'm now buying ps4 version if I do buy this. Ugh.

 

[ChoklitCow]

How is the competitive heroes scene and cheaters? I'd say that is where we should be looking to see blizzard's strategy on this.

Only thing I have seen so far (not in the competitive scene) have been map hacks and they came down on them quickly. I remember near monthly blog posts of SC2 bans as well, but have lost touch with that scene to know if it is still the case.

Im not sure if I said it in this thread or the beta OT, but I see Blizz handling their competitive scene games differently in regards to bannings. Especially with their huge push into e-sports. I'd consider the WoW and D3 cheats more "quality of life" cheats. Yes they negatively impact others, but not as significantly like those in face-to-face competition. Sure boting Paragon levels helps you in that push to the top of the leaderboard, but it's not the only thing. Same with botting in WoW. Hurts the economy, might help supply you unfairly for mats for early in an expansion, but the playerbases can overcome it. Waiting to do mass bans in these situations makes more sense. Larger impact, more data, and more insight into the future cheats.

In the games where competition can be more clearly compromised, it appears they react much faster.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

I am not a player in general. I know how to spot hacking. I've been playing online multiplayer games since Tribes and Diablo. It's funny that so many people are defending hackers or make it difficult to attack hackers, it's a culture and mentality I see all the time. I saw hackers being protected from being kicked on servers by apologists.......all the time. They are just as bad as the hackers because they make it extremely difficult to punish the hackers. I am not a noob, please don't treat me like one. I used to root out hackers on TF2 servers as a hobby. It's best to assume that someone knows what they are talking about until they give you a reason to believe otherwise.

This is no different than when we have these arguments over gamergate and people defend those positions. Yes, there are good players. Yes, some good players are accused of hacking. Yes, there are hackers. Yes, hackers are being protected by the culture that attacks anyone accused of hacking. This is very similar to rape culture, in that you have perpetrator(s), victim(s), and a culture that pushes back against accusations and in some cases there are false accusations. How is rape culture combated? Take every accusation seriously.

Yeah, and so has everyone else. And everyone else, and you likely included, make false accusations all the time. Sorry but most people want some evidence and if you were the accused you'd want the same standards of proof that you are demeaning others from wanting.

Also, is gamergate the new hitler? Try to win arguments over the internet by comparing your opposition to how gamegate acts or rapists? That happened? Wow. Pretty disgusting.

And the revive snap? Crosshair malfunction?

You're mixing up videos. That revive one is definitely sketchy and is one of the real pieces of evidence that has some merit to it. But people kept referencing the video where he aims at DVA which is not that definitive.

 

[spootime]

The Taimou sniping at DVA video is an extremely precise snap directly onto the center of her player model. However, I would say that the vast majority of pro FPS players (from CS at least) would be able to make a snap motion like that. You also have to factor in lag and discrepancies in the POTG replay system that could make something look fisher than it actually is.

At the end of the day none of this stuff really matters. If they can destroy people on LAN then who gives a shit if they look fishy online. We just have to wait for the first LAN tournaments for Overwatch to start showing up.

I am not a player in general. I know how to spot hacking. I've been playing online multiplayer games since Tribes and Diablo. It's funny that so many people are defending hackers or make it difficult to attack hackers, it's a culture and mentality I see all the time. I saw hackers being protected from being kicked on servers by apologists.......all the time. They are just as bad as the hackers because they make it extremely difficult to punish the hackers. I am not a noob, please don't treat me like one. I used to root out hackers on TF2 servers as a hobby. It's best to assume that someone knows what they are talking about until they give you a reason to believe otherwise.

This is no different than when we have these arguments over gamergate and people defend those positions. Yes, there are good players. Yes, some good players are accused of hacking. Yes, there are hackers. Yes, hackers are being protected by the culture that attacks anyone accused of hacking. This is very similar to rape culture, in that you have perpetrator(s), victim(s), and a culture that pushes back against accusations and in some cases there are false accusations. How is rape culture combated? Take every accusation seriously.

I've found that the opposite is true. What is your competitive FPS experience? Most people in public TF2 servers have absolutely zero clue how good people can be with classes like sniper. Any UGC gold league sniper can go into a valve pub server and easily go 40-2 or something (not even exaggerating). They'll get called hackers probably every other time they play in a pub. Because most people can't fathom someone aiming like that. its the same in any competitive FPS. Not trying to humblebrag or anything, but I got called a hacker when I was playing widowmaker probably like 10 times during open beta. And I'm not even close (and never will be) to the skill level of players like taimou.

I also find it funny that you say you can instantly "spot hackers" when a large amount of private, paid cheats these days are undetectable by observation.

 

[TheYanger]

The Taimou sniping at DVA video is an extremely precise snap directly onto the center of her player model. However, I would say that the vast majority of pro FPS players (from CS at least) would be able to make a snap motion like that. You also have to factor in lag and discrepancies in the POTG replay system that could make something look fisher than it actually is.

At the end of the day none of this stuff really matters. If they can destroy people on LAN then who gives a shit if they look fishy online. We just have to wait for the first LAN tournaments for Overwatch to start showing up.

People keep mentioning POTG like this as if it works like some weird highly inaccurate snapshot of what happened. It doesn't. If you tweak your mouse around it will reflect that, it's not smoothing the motions out.

 

[Zomba13]

No.

Again, skilled players should always play with their own, even if warming up. All it does is cause grief with the other players, they are not training dummies they are just playing casually to have fun and shouldn't be used as fodder. That's very self-centered thinking.

I've seen a lot of times in TF2 were a really good player shows up and just ruins everyone's fun. They shouldn't even be there.

Sometimes that shit happens when you just use the quick join thing.

Do you just complain about anyone beating you? First it has to be cheaters because you're no noob and you've been playing online since Tribes, then it's people who are better than you shouldn't play with you and should play at their level. Then it's cheat culture is like rape culture, every accusation should be taken seriously.

Chill out man.
1) It's a game. Yeah, cheaters suck and ruin it for everyone but just because you call someone a cheater with no hard proof doesn't mean it should be taken as seriously as a rape accusation.
2) People here aren't defending cheaters, they are simply saying "well, it could be this this or this. How do you know it was a hack?" and then you reply with things like "it was through leaves! It was at the start of a match!" when both could be plausible in this game (the leaves due to abilities, the start of the match due to usual positions of players. You know as a defending sniper where the gates are and if someone will go there because everyone piles at the gates).
3) Players should be able to play where they like. Yeah, going to a certain server with certain rules and breaking them is shitty but they can then get kicked or banned for doing that. If it's something like "waaah this guy knows how to play and joined our server so he must be a hacker or griefer" is just bullshit. Especially now when so many competitive online games don't even have server browsers or the main option is some form of quick match. I use the quick match thing in TF2 and am almost always near the top of my team when I play, should I quit out whenever I see that happening because I'm not playing with people on my level?

 

[Bear Force One]

I'm taking the side that there's nothing close to definitive evidence of cheating right now (for the two players in question) - and there isn't. That the main vector of evidence (Spectator/Kill Cam/ POTG) isn't truly representative of how people were aiming basically prevents action on most things simply because legitimate plays can easily look robotic.

There's not a whole lot else to say on the matter. You can't convict people on evidence that's faulty.

I see
Clear evidence. As do others.

 

[Tecnniqe]

The Taimou sniping at DVA video is an extremely precise snap directly onto the center of her player model. However, I would say that the vast majority of pro FPS players (from CS at least) would be able to make a snap motion like that. You also have to factor in lag and discrepancies in the POTG replay system that could make something look fisher than it actually is.

At the end of the day none of this stuff really matters. If they can destroy people on LAN then who gives a shit if they look fishy online. We just have to wait for the first LAN tournaments for Overwatch to start showing up.

For D.Va that aim is headshot/crit.
The cross hair movement is exactly the same as surefours hammer aim directly into a headshot behind a wall with no over aim or anything, perfect straight line to headshot out of nowhere.
About the same speed too.
Not to mention these two players in questions have repeat tracing like this but none of the other does?

Why would they remove their perspective footage? So it can be blamed on spectate inaccuracy. So all these non human moves can be shrugged off as nothing.

In Taimous case with the revive there is no doubt as both his perspective footage and spectate footage was identical and called out by another pro player, which is also ignored.


And the fact that LAN is the only thing that matters is stupid, yes it can debunk a cheating theory as cheating in a LAN is next to impossible but in the process before that they'd knock out other teams on the way and cause more problems for everyone.

 

[spootime]

For D.Va that aim is headshot/crit.
The cross hair movement is exactly the same as surefours hammer aim directly into a headshot behind a wall with no over aim or anything, perfect straight line to headshot out of nowhere.
About the same speed too.
Not to mention these two players in questions have repeat tracing like this but none of the other does?

Why would they remove their perspective footage? So it can be blamed on spectate inaccuracy. So all these non human moves can be shrugged off as nothing.

In Taimous case with the revive there is no doubt as both his perspective footage and spectate footage was identical and called out by another pro player, which is also ignored.


And the fact that LAN is the only thing that matters is stupid, yes it can debunk a cheating theory as cheating in a LAN is next to impossible but in the process before that they'd knock out other teams on the way and cause more problems for everyone.

So what do you think should happen? Should they be banned from competitive overwatch based on a few GIF's? By that logic the best CSGO player in the world would have been banned a year ago. Whether you like it or not the only way anything will happen is if Blizzard's anticheat bans one of them or they don't have results on LAN.

 

[Crono27]

So what do you think should happen? Should they be banned from competitive overwatch based on a few GIF's? By that logic the best CSGO player in the world would have been banned a year ago. Whether you like it or not the only way anything will happen is if Blizzard's anticheat bans one of them or they don't have results on LAN.

didnt you hear. Valve banned flusha and olofmeister those pesky cheaters.

 

[Fliesen]

yup, even more reason (beyond the lower skill ceiling and less frantic pace) to play this game on a console, if you're just in it for some rather casual fun, i guess.

 

[Tecnniqe]

So what do you think should happen? Should they be banned from competitive overwatch based on a few GIF's? By that logic the best CSGO player in the world would have been banned a year ago. Whether you like it or not the only way anything will happen is if Blizzard's anticheat bans one of them or they don't have results on LAN.

A few gifs? There is tons if footage to support it and even their own footage got the snapping. Good lord if that revive snap happened in CSGO they been taken out of the tourney.
I guess there's no reason to lower your aim angle as unless your private cheat gets detected and banned you ain't hacking.

Sure thing.

 

[Frank Jaeger]

May seem like hyperbole, but I stoped myself from buying this on account of all these cheaters. No point spending money if I'm just gonna sit on the game until blizz manages this!

 

[Tecnniqe]

May seem like hyperbole, but I stoped myself from buying this on account of all these cheaters. No point spending money if I'm just gonna sit on the game until blizz manages this!

I don't think pub matches is going to see much of an issue but to each their own

 

[Priapus10101]

I played the game for about half a dozen hours and don't seem to have encountered any hackers. I think some people are overreacting a tad about the number of hackers. Lighten up people.

 

[MMaRsu]

I played the game for about half a dozen hours and don't seem to have encountered any hackers. I think some people are overreacting a tad about the number of hackers. Lighten up people.

Just because you didnt run into them doesnt mean they arent there. LOL

 

[Grimm Fandango]

Yeah I enjoyed the beta a lot, couldn't recall any hackers. Still going to get the PC version.

 

[Tecnniqe]

I don't think there's that many in pubbies but there will always be some as long as there is a market for it.

However the public stuff is not the most scary ones, the private stuff are as they cause more damage for the community in the scene in question in the long run which is why they need to be taken care off swiftly.

 

[TatteredHat]

I haven't seen any weird stuff myself during the beta, but I expect Blizzard to crack down quickly on any cheating going on especially since this is all happening right before the game's launch.

 

[Risible]

I played the game for about half a dozen hours and don't seem to have encountered any hackers. I think some people are overreacting a tad about the number of hackers. Lighten up people.

Six whole hours? You are an Overwatch "Are they hacking or not?" Master. We shall defer all of our questions and concerns to you from now on.

 

[Kudo]

I played the game for about half a dozen hours and don't seem to have encountered any hackers. I think some people are overreacting a tad about the number of hackers. Lighten up people.

I got to level 51 (probably over 100 hours played) and there definitely is cheaters in the PC version, and sadly there's quite an amount of them.
When you meet Widowmaker with name "QWERTYASDF" or similar, that snaps to each head through wall in the first 5 seconds of the match, what do you think?
Hopefully less of the cheaters will actually BUY the game, when there's actual danger of getting banned maybe people are less hesitant to use them.

 

[Zackat]

Six whole hours? You are an Overwatch "Are they hacking or not?" Master. We shall defer all of our questions and concerns to you from now on.

Have you ever rolled your eyes so hard reading something that you were afraid they got stuck? Your snark level is an 11 right now. They just made an observation. I played this round of the beta for about 50 hrs and didn't notice anything. Nor did I notice anything in all the previous amount of time I spent playing with pubs. And I played a lot.

I really don't think this is a widespread problem. However, if this is true, it needs to be taken down quickly. That evidence seems pretty strong from all that I have seen. I'll wait and see what Bliizard does before jumping to conclusions.

 

[dan2026]

Why doesn't Blizzard ban these obvious cheaters instantly?

 

[Maximo]

Why doesn't Blizzard ban these obvious cheaters instantly?

Blizzard has been known to take a very long time putting out bans in all their games.

 

[Sulik2]

Was there any cheating issues on the console versions? Which version is the least cheated will determine what system I buy it for.

 

[KZXcellent]

Was there any cheating issues on the console versions? Which version is the least cheated will determine what system I buy it for.

I didn't notice anything suspect and I got to about Level 35~ by the end of the beta.

Spoiler

There were a lot of Bastions tho